Why not war against Islam?

[Foster Zygote]

Given the situation, if he saw things as I saw them, he would see that I would doubt his view and give him credit over what I have been told from trusted sources.

So you doubt me, or you give me credit? Is there a typo that you could correct to make the above sentence less internally contradictory.

 

[Foster Zygote]

You bet it is!! It shows how a war against Islam is right or wrong?

Because they are parallel situations. You can't paint all Muslims with your broad brush any more than you can paint all Catholics with the same brush.

 

[FireGarden]

Without that, the ruling stands.

Well, if there's been a ruling, then I guess that ends the matter.

 

[Bill Thompson]

No, Bill, I don't. The burden remains on you to prove your claim.

If Lincoln's anti-Catholicism was so well-known, it should be absolutely trivial to find evidence of it. Instead, you reduce yourself to making excuses for a dead conspiracy-mongering bigot rather than simply produce a decent, verifiable quote.

This speaks volumes for your position.

I am sorry. Explain how it is unusual for Lincoln to dislike the Catholics given the fact that they supported the South.

 

[FireGarden]

I would almost be surprised to find that President Lincoln, at least while he was growing up and coming of age, wasn't generally hostile to Roman Catholics. That would be consistent with the sectarian friction of the times.

But to reach conclusions from other examples of American anti-Catholic feeling would be to generalise rather than treat Lincoln as an individual.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Because they are parallel situations. You can't paint all Muslims with your broad brush any more than you can paint all Catholics with the same brush.

Pshaw. Good thing I never said I was, huh?

Confusing Muslims with Islam is your game, not mine.

It isn't Mosab Hassan Yousef's game either, huh?

 

[Bill Thompson]

You provided a link to a single Catholic man who supported the Confederacy..

Where is that rolling on the floor laughing gif when I need it?

Wrong on both accounts. You make a mistake within a mistake. Kind of like biting into a candy bar and finding it filled with pudding.

 

[FireGarden]

FSM, the man said a lot:
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln

I am not a Know-Nothing. That is certain. How could I be? How can any one who abhors the oppression of negroes, be in favor of degrading classes of white people? Our progress in degeneracy appears to me to be pretty rapid. As a nation, we began by declaring that "all men are created equal." We now practically read it "all men are created equal, except negroes." When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read "all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and catholics." When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretence of loving liberty — to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be take pure, and without the base alloy of hypocracy [sic].
--- Letter to longtime friend and slave-holder Joshua F. Speed (24 August 1855)


That's Lincoln, taking a very dim view of discrimination -- including that against Catholics.

Your turn, Bill, show us where this changed.

 

[Bill Thompson]

The Catholics were supporting the South during the Civil War. Show me where Lincoln did not hate the Catholics instead of taking something out of context when Lincoln was talking about "all men are created equal".

 

[Bill Thompson]

No, Bill, I don't. The burden remains on you to prove your claim.

If Lincoln's anti-Catholicism was so well-known, it should be absolutely trivial to find evidence of it. Instead, you reduce yourself to making excuses for a dead conspiracy-mongering bigot rather than simply produce a decent, verifiable quote.

This speaks volumes for your position.

No. THe Catholics supported the South during the Civil War. Lincoln forgiving that would be extraordinary. Show me proof he did. You have the burden of proof.

Also, you have left me hanging, Cleon. Show me proof Obama was Maga Cum Above Average.

 

[Cleon]

No. THe Catholics supported the South during the Civil War. Lincoln forgiving that would be extraordinary. Show me proof he did. You have the burden of proof.

Repeating the same thing over and over again still doesn't magically make it true.

 

[FireGarden]

The Catholics were supporting the South during the Civil War. Show me where Lincoln did not hate the Catholics instead of taking something out of context when Lincoln was talking about "all men are created equal".

No, Bill.
I showed you that Lincoln was against bigotry. He wasn't the sort to judge people on what their co-religionists do. That's probably why he asked a Catholic to represent him in Europe.


ETA:
I made a ruling, too. It's your turn!

 

[A'isha]

Letter from Abraham Lincoln to Archbishop John Hughes, October 21, 1861: "I have given a sort of quasi appointment [to serve as Chaplains in the Union army] (a copy of which I enclose) to each of three Protestant ministers, who have accepted and entered upon the duties. If you perceive no objection, I will thank you to give me the name or names of one or more suitable persons of the Catholic Church to whom I may with propriety tender the same service. Many thanks for your kind and judicious letters to Governor Seward, and which he regularly allows me both the pleasure and profit of perusing. With the highest respect, your obedient servant, A. Lincoln."

You can just feel the hatred and contempt for Catholics there, can't you?

 

[Foster Zygote]

Letter from Abraham Lincoln to Archbishop John Hughes, October 21, 1861: "I have given a sort of quasi appointment [to serve as Chaplains in the Union army] (a copy of which I enclose) to each of three Protestant ministers, who have accepted and entered upon the duties. If you perceive no objection, I will thank you to give me the name or names of one or more suitable persons of the Catholic Church to whom I may with propriety tender the same service. Many thanks for your kind and judicious letters to Governor Seward, and which he regularly allows me both the pleasure and profit of perusing. With the highest respect, your obedient servant, A. Lincoln."

You can just feel the hatred and contempt for Catholics there, can't you?

It's almost as palpable as his hatred for people with mustaches.

 

[Darth Rotor]

But to reach conclusions from other examples of American anti-Catholic feeling would be to generalise rather than treat Lincoln as an individual.

Before I respond to this, how well do you know American history, circa 1789 to 1860?

Seriously.

 

[FireGarden]

Before I respond to this, how well do you know American history, circa 1789 to 1860?

Seriously.

Probably not as well as you, Darth. Not all that well at all. I could name a few people, that's about it.

Now how about justifying attributing to Lincoln attitudes of other people? Or attributing to anyone things they did not verifiably express, for that matter.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Where is that rolling on the floor laughing gif when I need it?

Wrong on both accounts. You make a mistake within a mistake. Kind of like biting into a candy bar and finding it filled with pudding.

Bill, look carefully at the image you posted, the one with the childish insult "cleverly" hidden in the title.
[qimg]http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h292/Athono/foster_dumbass.jpg[/qimg]
This is an article about a Catholic man who supported the Confederacy. You claim that I was wrong on both counts, so please show me how Augustin Verot was not a Catholic or a supporter of the Confederacy. Or perhaps you are referring to the sentence in the second paragraph that mentions "Catholic loyalty to the Confederacy", in which case we have yet another example of your very poor reading comprehension. The article is referring to those Catholics who showed loyalty to the Confederacy, it is not implying that all Catholics generically supported the Rebel cause, nor even implying that a majority of Catholics had such an inclination.

 

[Bill Thompson]

How does Lincoln fit into an equation for or against a war against Islam?

 

[Bill Thompson]

Bill, look carefully at the image you posted,

This is an article about a Catholic man who supported the Confederacy. You claim that I was wrong on both counts, so please show me how Augustin Verot was not a Catholic or a supporter of the Confederacy. Or perhaps you are referring to the sentence in the second paragraph that mentions "Catholic loyalty to the Confederacy", in which case we have yet another example of your very poor reading comprehension. The article is referring to those Catholics who showed loyalty to the Confederacy, it is not implying that all Catholics generically supported the Rebel cause, nor even implying that a majority of Catholics had such an inclination.

The funny thing is this. The majority of Catholics did support the confederacy as well as the majority of Catholic leadership.

And paragraphis in this article talks clearly about the Catholics, universally, on the whole being on the side of the confederacy.

Anyway, either way, how does this support or discredit a war agains islam? You have spent a lot of time on this one issue about Lincoln and the civil war. Can you tell me why?

 

[Cleon]

How does Lincoln fit into an equation for or against a war against Islam?

You brought him up, Bill, with that ridiculous claim that he hated Catholics.

The funny thing is this. The majority of Catholics did support the confederacy as well as the majority of Catholic leadership.

And I'm sure someday you'll provide evidence to that effect. Perhaps right after that Walmart-funded nuclear fallout hits.

And paragraphis in this article talks clearly about the Catholics, universally, on the whole being on the side of the confederacy.

*sigh* No, they don't. They talk about Catholics in Georgia.

You have spent a lot of time on this one issue about Lincoln and the civil war. Can you tell me why?

Well, Bill, if you stop making **** up, we'll stop correcting you.

Fág an bealach, Bill.