Why not war against Islam?

[Bill Thompson]

In fact, Lincoln, as everyone knows, was really a woman and Mary was the real president and a man. The CIA set this up to protect "Mary" in the even the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor early. A homeless guy told me, or I dreamed it, or I just made it up right now because I was bored and lost respect for Craig B because he won't tell me what your point was in the whole discussion of the Greek invasion of Turkey and I threw in the CIA which did not exist then as well as Pearl Harbor just to make you grind your teeth.

 

[Bill Thompson]

No, it wasn't. Some Catholics sympathized with the Confederacy, some sympathized with the Union. Some Protestants sympathized with the Confederacy, some with the Union. That is the big picture.

Oh, then my High School History teacher was wrong and someone like you I met on the internet is right? Is this what you are telling me now? What do you think I think?

You are wrong, man. The Catholics overwhelmingly supported the South or more accurately, the Catholic official leadership officially supported the south in many ways, deeds and proclamations.

Ask any historian or history department in any major university.

 

[Foster Zygote]

In fact, Lincoln, as everyone knows, was really a woman and Mary was the real president and a man. The CIA set this up to protect "Mary" in the even the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor early. A homeless guy told me, or I dreamed it, or I just made it up right now because I was bored and lost respect for Craig B because he won't tell me what your point was in the whole discussion of the Greek invasion of Turkey and I threw in the CIA which did not exist then as well as Pearl Harbor just to make you grind your teeth.

Are you using your "it was all just a joke" defense?

 

[Cleon]

Oh, then my High School History teacher was wrong and someone like you I met on the internet is right? Is this what you are telling me now? What do you think I think?

You are wrong, man. The Catholics overwhelmingly supported the South or more accurately, the Catholic official leadership officially supported the south in many ways, deeds and proclamations.

Ask any historian or history department in any major university.

If true, it should be absolutely trivial for you to provide some decent evidence for it. Why can't you?

Fág an bealach, Bill.

 

[Foster Zygote]

Oh, then my High School History teacher was wrong and someone like you I met on the internet is right? Is this what you are telling me now? What do you think I think?

That is exactly what I think.

You are wrong, man. The Catholics overwhelmingly supported the South or more accurately, the Catholic official leadership officially supported the south in many ways, deeds and proclamations.

Please provide historical evidence that Catholics overwhelmingly supported the Confederacy. Provide the evidence of the many ways, deeds and proclamations made by the Catholic leadership in support of the Confederacy.

Ask any historian or history department in any major university.

I studied under John Edmunds and Walter Edgar at the University of South Carolina, two of the foremost experts on the history of the southern United States. Neither of them, nor any of my other history professors, ever taught, or even mentioned, that Abraham Lincoln had born the slightest animosity toward Catholics for any reason.

You are wrong. If you had just stated, "I hadn't realized that Chiniquy was a fraudulent source, I guess I was misled", then you wouldn't be in this situation. But instead, you are determined to find some way, any way, of salvaging your original claim. You are only succeeding in making yourself appear foolish.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Are you using your "it was all just a joke" defense?

Explain how Lincoln has anything to do with a war against Islam, man. If you can't then the people dwelling on it are the joke.

 

[Bill Thompson]

That is exactly what I think.


Please provide historical evidence that Catholics overwhelmingly supported the Confederacy. Provide the evidence of the many ways, deeds and proclamations made by the Catholic leadership in support of the Confederacy.


I studied under John Edmunds and Walter Edgar at the University of South Carolina, two of the foremost experts on the history of the southern United States. Neither of them, nor any of my other history professors, ever taught, or even mentioned, that Abraham Lincoln had born the slightest animosity toward Catholics for any reason.

You are not in any contact with them currently. if you were, they would tell you that the Catholics favored the South in the US Civil War. By the way, I think you are not being honest. Show me that you know them and show me you are in contact with them. Conact them or tell me how I can.

 

[Bill Thompson]

By you saying nothing, you tell me a lot.

You respond "This is exactly what I think" to a question that did not ask that. It is as if I ask what your favorate color is and you respond "seven".

I asked you what you "What do you think I think?".

Some things are in books and not on the internet because of copyright issues. You can get biographies on Lincoln at the library but they are not transcribed on the internet.

So I ask you again. What do you think I think?

 

[bikerdruid]

So I ask you again. What do you think I think?

what do you think he thinks that you think?

 

[citizenzen]

You respond "This is exactly what I think" to a question that did not ask that. It is as if I ask what your favorate color is and you respond "seven".

Dude. Reduce your font size.

He was responding to the first two of your three questions ...

Question 1 - Oh, then my High School History teacher was wrong and someone like you I met on the internet is right?

Quedstion 2 - Is this what you are telling me now?

Question 3 - What do you think I think? <-- irrelevant

Answer - That is exactly what I think.​

 

[FireGarden]

Some things are in books and not on the internet because of copyright issues. You can get biographies on Lincoln at the library but they are not transcribed on the internet.

Could you name the ones which agree with you, please? (On Lincoln hating Catholics, that is)

 

[Bill Thompson]

Could you name the ones which agree with you, please? (On Lincoln hating Catholics, that is)

The Catholics overwhelmingly supported the South during the Civil a War. I already provided a screen shot to a web site that discussed this in clear, historic, accurate and no uncertain terms. You can find lots more links online. So to think Lincoln was chummy with a sect that supported the enemy that lead to such a huge loss of life is unfathomable.

But what is most important is that you focus on this issue like a laser because we both know how important it is to either support a war against Islam or to not support a war against islam. It is also very important that you continue your persuit for you to save face on the internet. Frankly, it makes you look logical and clear-thinking.

It is unfathomable, given the fact that the Catholic church officially sided with the South during the Civil War that Lincoln would have no hard feelings towards them.

Lincoln did not appreciate religious sects that he regarded as being contrary to what the United States was all about. This is also why he might have also come down so hard on the Mormons.

So given his approach to Mormonism and their practice of having multiple wives and the fact that it was known how much the Catholics sided with the South during the Civil War, it is hard to imagine he would think the Catholics were cool. It does not fit into the way he was or how history was.

 

[Bill Thompson]

what do you think he thinks that you think?

You mock a logical tool to cut through the fog.

Given the situation, if he saw things as I saw them, he would see that I would doubt his view and give him credit over what I have been told from trusted sources.

 

[Bill Thompson]

Dude. Reduce your font size.

He was responding to the first two of your three questions ...

Question 1 - Oh, then my High School History teacher was wrong and someone like you I met on the internet is right?

Quedstion 2 - Is this what you are telling me now?

Question 3 - What do you think I think? <-- irrelevant

Answer - That is exactly what I think.
​

Not at all irrelevant.

It is a good question. Let me give you an example. Jiffy Lube did some checks on one of my cars when my son's mom took the car in for service and they forgot to reattach or check some hoses that they had knocked loose. They were for emissions.

Anyway, she did not notice until the next day. I took the car back and they did not even pop the hood but used a gismo to tell me that the emissions were bad and to take it to a dealer.


The dealer saw the problem in a nanosecond.

And so began the blame game. Jiffy Lube blamed the Dealer and the Dealer blamed the Jiffy Lube.

I told the manager at Jiffy Lube who was insisting that his people check and recheck the quality of the work the timeline and the facts and what happened at the Dealer. He realized that his argument was getting thin and so I cut to the chase I told him "Given what I know about all this, what do you think I think about who is to blame" He thought for a moment and conceded that he thought that I must think he is to blame and we agreed on me getting my money back.


If he stops and tries to imagine how I see the situation -- the fact that I have been told from a History Text as well as by a History Instructor that the Catholics supported the South --- in addition to finding lots of sources online -- and the fact that I do not put any credibility on him -- he will see that he is in a loosing argument.

 

[Bill Thompson]

No, it wasn't. Some Catholics sympathized with the Confederacy, some sympathized with the Union. Some Protestants sympathized with the Confederacy, some with the Union. That is the big picture.

You bet it is!! It shows how a war against Islam is right or wrong?

 

[Bill Thompson]

So, still no evidence of Lincoln's anti-Catholic views? Thought so.

That book I quoted.

So they attacked the source.

The fact that there is lots of evidence that the Catholics supported the south all over the internet. So it is hard to believe Lincoln was chummy with the Catholics.

Where is Obama's magan cum nothing you promised me?

 

[bikerdruid]

You mock a logical tool to cut through the fog.

.

i do that ......i mock a lot of silliness......a lot of the time.....such are the joys of retirement.

 

[Bill Thompson]

"Neener Neener Neener" is not a logical retort. That is not how Science works. If you disagree with someone you have to show how someone's ideas are wrong and present a seperate explaination. He has not shown any notiable historian who will say "ya, know, Lincoln kind of liked the Catholic Church".

Fact #1. The Catholics supported the South in the Civil War
Fact #2. Prior to 9-11-2001 the greatest loss of life in an act of war was the battle at Gettysburg.
Fact #3. Linclon was not stupid.
Fact #4. There are quotes where Lincoln blamed the Catholic Church for giving encouragement to the South and he said that the South would not have started the war without that promised backing. Attacking the source of this inforation is not good enough. Show why someone who was coming clean and denouncing Catholicism would resort to lying. If I scour the other biographies about Lincoln and found something, I imagine you would attack those sources as well

Given all this and given the fact that you cannot step up to the plate and give me the contact information of a reliable historian who will say Lincoln liked the Catholics, I doubt that he did.

 

[bikerdruid]

"Neener Neener Neener" is not a logical retort. That is not how Science works. If you disagree with someone you have to show how someone's ideas are wrong and present a seperate explaination. He has not shown any notiable historian who will say "ya, know, Lincoln kind of liked the Catholic Church".

Fact #1. The Catholics supported the South in the Civil War
Fact #2. Prior to 9-11-2001 the greatest loss of life in an act of war was the battle at Gettysburg.
Fact #3. Linclon was not stupid.
Fact #4. There are quotes where Lincoln blamed the Catholic Church for giving encouragement to the South and he said that the South would not have started the war without that promised backing. Attacking the source of this inforation is not good enough. Show why someone who was coming clean and denouncing Catholicism would resort to lying. If I scour the other biographies about Lincoln and found something, I imagine you would attack those sources as well

Given all this and given the fact that you cannot step up to the plate and give me the contact information of a reliable historian who will say Lincoln liked the Catholics, I doubt that he did.

NM

 

[FireGarden]

The Catholics overwhelmingly supported the South during the Civil a War. I already provided a screen shot to a web site that discussed this in clear, historic, accurate and no uncertain terms. You can find lots more links online.

The issue is not one of Catholics supporting the South -- you've also been shown that Catholics supported the North. It's not even an issue of which side was favoured by the most Catholics. It's an issue of: Did Lincoln hate Catholics?

I need the title of a good text book which backs you up. Which book did you read at school?

So to think Lincoln was chummy with a sect that supported the enemy that lead to such a huge loss of life is unfathomable.

But what is most important is that you focus on this issue like a laser because we both know how important it is to either support a war against Islam or to not support a war against islam. It is also very important that you continue your persuit for you to save face on the internet. Frankly, it makes you look logical and clear-thinking.

I'm happy to appear logical and clear thinking.
Another typo, Bill?

It is unfathomable, given the fact that the Catholic church officially sided with the South during the Civil War that Lincoln would have no hard feelings towards them.

To those who prejudge strangers, it may be unfathomable.

But some people are able to distinguish between Catholics who supported the South and those who supported the North -- and were even hired by Lincoln to represent him in Europe.

I don't think that Lincoln had a problem with treating people on an individual basis. And I don't think he hated everyone who fought for the South.

Lincoln did not appreciate religious sects that he regarded as being contrary to what the United States was all about. This is also why he might have also come down so hard on the Mormons.

So given his approach to Mormonism and their practice of having multiple wives and the fact that it was known how much the Catholics sided with the South during the Civil War, it is hard to imagine he would think the Catholics were cool. It does not fit into the way he was or how history was.

You've not given the title of any book which backs you up on Lincoln hating Catholics.

And now you are back to claiming he had it in for the Mormons. When we've already discussed this:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7508531&postcount=632

You again failed to back up your claims.