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Why not war against Islam?

Craig B said:
It was, as you state, a "shot" = "shooting".

This "do you have a point?" stuff has been done to death by you, Bill, and you risk making yourself appear ridiculous.
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The funny thing is this.

You don't have a point. Otherwise you would just say "my point is....." and say what it is.

So, instead, you say that may asking this is ridiculous. No, it is not, man, I want you to state your point.
 
OK Bill

My point is ...
Craig B said:
I thought we didn't want a shooting war, Bill. So how come he's dead now, and the Islamic world hasn't gone nuts about it?The Israeli citizen I know best lives in a kibbutz in territory annexed illegally from Syria. He was born in Scotland and settled on this occupied territory. His activities are forbidden by international law. What attitude should he adopt towards the Syrians who want their land back? I have discussed this reality with him several times. Tell me what I should say to him. You will earn my gratitude.One cruise missile doth not a shooting war make, eh, Bill? As far as I can see the West is or has recently been engaged in three shooting wars, whether rightly or wrongly, in the Islamic world. When the Roman Empire fell, Bill, it had been ruled by Christians for a century and a half, and wasn't at war with them. That last bit is incoherent. If you oppose Islam BECAUSE it is a lie, and if other religions are lies too, then you have to oppose them also. That is not a cowardly mind, but a logical one. More work needs done on your argument at this point, I think.
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Craig B said:
Bill

You have amended your post after my response. Or the response crossed. Your arguments are ad hominem, and beside the point. The Roman Empire was Christian when it fell. Palestinians and Syrians have seen their land taken and settled, contrary to international law. Judaism and Christianity, like Islam, are lies. Oppose one on that ground, you must oppose them all.

We are or have been fighting three shooting wars.

Your point about Clinton's action being or not being violence and whether you think it was too weak, while at the same time denying you want a violent reaction, needs restated more coherently. Do you want violence or not? If not, how can you imply (as you did) that Clinton should have used even greater violence?
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I would not have agreed to Clinton's approach.

Al Qaeda at that time was a special case since they had actually declared war. Still, Clinton did not take the matter seriously. Going out and nabbing Osama bin Laden when he had the chance and opportunity would have been better than just sending one bomb to an empty base when Clinton was sure no one was there.

Islam as a whole is not Al Qaeda. Going to a shooting war with Al Qaeda is not the same as going to war with Islam.

You pick apart my posts without seeing my message and I have to defend the minuta. WHy is that?

Where do you stand? What is your opinion?

Craig, what do you think of the "thunderf00t south park vs islam" video on youtube?
 
"Thought we didn't want a shooting war, Bill. So how come he's dead now, and the Islamic world hasn't gone nuts about it?" Your "point" is strange to me because the Islamic world, much of it at least, did go crazy and protest in the street. You can watch video of this for yourself on Memri tv.

Are you confusing a shooting war with Osama bin Laden with a war with Islam?
 
"I thought we didn't want a shooting war, Bill. So how come he's dead now, and the Islamic world hasn't gone nuts about it?The Israeli citizen I know best lives in a kibbutz in territory annexed illegally from Syria. He was born in Scotland and settled on this occupied territory. His activities are forbidden by international law. What attitude should he adopt towards the Syrians who want their land back? I have discussed this reality with him several times. Tell me what I should say to him. You will earn my gratitude.One cruise missile doth not a shooting war make, eh, Bill? As far as I can see the West is or has recently been engaged in three shooting wars, whether rightly or wrongly, in the Islamic world. If you oppose Islam BECAUSE it is a lie, and if other religions are lies too, then you have to oppose them also. That is not a cowardly mind, but a logical one. More work needs done on your argument at this point, I think."

OK, so go pick a religion that you do not like and wage an online war of information against that too.

About Syria. I have no idea.

There. Are we done now?
 
Craig B said:
Bill

Nothing. I don't watch South Park.
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It is not really about South Park. It is more than that.
You seem to think Islam is important or deserves respect. The guy who made this video thinks it has no place in the modern world. I do not agree with everything he says but I would like to know your opinion.
 
No religion has any place in the modern world, or alternatively they all have.
 
Bill Thompson said:
The Romans tried to get rid of the Christians by feeding to the Lions. That violence made the Christians stronger and the Romans weaker.
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No. The Romans executed Christians not because they wanted to get rid of them but because they were breaking certain laws.

It's a myth that the Romans persecuted Christians just because they were Christians.
 
Bill, have you ever noticed that the paragraphs in some of your posts seem to contradict each other? It leads me to want to address each one individually, because together they are incoherent. Distinguishing whether and when you are talking about Islam as a whole or Al Qaeda or some other terrorist group in particular would probably help with this.

Steadfast (and violent) resolve against terrorism makes good sense. What constitutes steadfast resolve against Islam? From your posts, it seems rants on the internet without much worry over facts as long as it makes Islam look bad is one tactic you support.
 
Craig,

I think your position is that since Muslims have been treated unfairly we should all show compassion for them? Is this what you are saying? This is kind of off-topic but we can discuss this. Why do you think Muslims have been treated unfairly? What do you think the root cause of this is? I have my own ideas about this. I would like to read what yours are.
 
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armageddonman said:
No. The Romans executed Christians not because they wanted to get rid of them but because they were breaking certain laws.

It's a myth that the Romans persecuted Christians just because they were Christians.
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So it was kind of like how Missourians treated the Mormons?

What laws were the Christians breaking?
 
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Mister Agenda said:
Bill, have you ever noticed that the paragraphs in some of your posts seem to contradict each other? It leads me to want to address each one individually, because together they are incoherent. Distinguishing whether and when you are talking about Islam as a whole or Al Qaeda or some other terrorist group in particular would probably help with this.

Steadfast (and violent) resolve against terrorism makes good sense. What constitutes steadfast resolve against Islam? From your posts, it seems rants on the internet without much worry over facts as long as it makes Islam look bad is one tactic you support.
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Steadfast resolve does not have to be violent.

I am sure some American Muslims were fighting in Iraq against Saddam's forces; as well as against the Taliban and even Al Qaeda. So those shooting wars does do not count on a war against Islam which I do not see as a violent one.

Maybe using Clinton's inaction was a bad example to draw an analogy from. Maybe I sould have used something that had nothing to do with violence or war.

Mosab Hassan Yousef is fighting a war with Islam and he is just writing books, doing lectures, doing interviews on television and surfing in California. There are no bullets flying.
 
Craig B said:
No religion has any place in the modern world, or alternatively they all have.
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Do you think Thunderf00t is wrong?

I told myself I would have to transcribe his video because I thought no one would bother to watch it. Am I right?
 
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Craig, if you have a problem with a different religion, why don't you start a discussion thread about that other religion. Islam is not the only religion I have a problem with. If you have a problem with all religions, then why are you here in this discussion thread? If you think Muslims have been treated unfairly, why not start a discussion thread about that. That is an interesting topic that I would like to participate in.

If you think Thunderf00t is wrong, where is he wrong? What part of what he says is a mistake? Saying that what he says can be said about all religions does not mean he is wrong.

I told myself I would have to transcribe his video because I thought no one would bother to watch it. Am I right?
 
bikerdruid said:
i find it hilarious that you would use a south park clip to support yopu hatred of muslims and expect to still be taken seriously.
am i the only one here that finds this hilarious?:D
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I hope so.

I love Muslims.

You never seem to say anything that is actually factual.

I find that hilarious.

The video is not really about South Park at all but more about Theo Van Gogh. You missed that.

I find that sad.

You know, the Democrats during slavery were against ending it. Their reasoning was a lot like yours. They said that the Republicans must have hated the southerners rather than the institution of slavery itself. This kind of logic is identical to the one you use here and now.

Let me guess. You watched maybe about 40 seconds tops of that video. Kinda got a short attention span?
 
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Bill

Regrettably your contributions have become so incoherent and contradictory, and you so resolutely refuse to address what anybody presents to you, that further discussion with you is pointless.
 
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