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Recognizing the fact that the vast-majority of Muslim-Americans are law-abiding citizens= supporting Islam?
My friend, I do not support nor not support Islam. I see it as no different than any other Western or other faith, which means it has its good attributes and its faults.
Actually, I posted about that in the other thread. You ignored it in favor of posting the utterly irrelevant article about the placebo effect (as well as ignoring my repeated questions to you regarding abrogation).
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Whatever. Anyway, he did not mean "spiritual personal struggle". He meant war against people who were not Muslim and he did not mean war as in an intellectual discussion that respected non-Muslim life. Otherwise his comment that old people were exempt would not make sense.
Recognizing the fact that the vast-majority of Muslim-Americans are law-abiding citizens= supporting Islam?
My friend, I do not support nor not support Islam. I see it as no different than any other Western or other faith, which means it has its good attributes and its faults.
The majority of the 9-11 Hi-jackers did not know they were going to fly the jets into buildings thus slaughtering even the children on the planes. Most, Majority, or even vast majority does not matter if you are part of the team where the quarterbacks are into playing a murderous game.
Your illogical and irrational and ad homemem attack is noted.
If you think all religions are the same, I think you should tell that to the people who started the Cult Awareness Network and ask them how or why they lost their organization.
Also Mohammed was a politician pretending to be a holyman. So Islam does not count as a religion just because it assumes that title.
Recognizing the fact that the vast-majority of Muslim-Americans are law-abiding citizens= supporting Islam?
My friend, I do not support nor not support Islam. I see it as no different than any other Western or other faith, which means it has its good attributes and its faults.
<snip>. You said " I see it as no different than any other Western or other faith, which means it has its good attributes and its faults."
I can join or leave any mainstream "western" faith without being subjected to threats of death.
If you believe in freedom of religion, as you seem to be, then you cannot support Islam since Islam is against freedom of religion and its members leaving alive and in one piece.
I will admit, your way of thinking is what everyone wants to believe. That does not make it true.
<snip>'ed, breach of rule 0, rule 12.
Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic Posted By: Locknar
If you believe in freedom of religion, as you seem to be, then you cannot support Islam since Islam is against freedom of religion and its members leaving alive and in one piece.
You are, once again, taking the most extreme version of the practice of Islam and using it as a cudgel against all Muslims. There was a time when Christian authorities tortured and murdered thousands because they held different religious beliefs. Where is your thread claiming that Christianity is intrinsically evil?
I will admit, your way of thinking is what everyone wants to believe. That does not make it true.
The majority of the 9-11 Hi-jackers did not know they were going to fly the jets into buildings thus slaughtering even the children on the planes. Most, Majority, or even vast majority does not matter if you are part of the team where the quarterbacks are into playing a murderous game..
You appear to be suggesting that even though the vast-majority of Muslims are peaceful, they should nevertheless be judged by violent & hateful acts of the extremist minority. Shall we also conclude that you therefore view all Muslims as "the enemy" and should be treated as such?
Religions cannot be banned in the USA but political groups can. Are you suggesting we make the practise of Islam, membership in an Islamic congregation, and self-identification as a Muslim in the United States and the rest of the West, illegal?
If you think all religions are the same, I think you should tell that to the people who started the Cult Awareness Network and ask them how or why they lost their organization.
Still posting meaningless facts that do not mean anything because they re meaning less and you are redundant by saying the same thing or saying sort of thing again and again?
See? I can be redundant and annoying just for the sake of being redundant and annoying too! Just like you !!
You appear to be suggesting that even though the vast-majority of Muslims are peaceful, they should nevertheless be judged by violent & hateful acts of the extremist minority. Shall we also conclude that you therefore view all Muslims as "the enemy" and should be treated as such?
I have made no ad homenim attack against you.
Religions cannot be banned in the USA but political groups can. Are you suggesting we make the practise of Islam, membership in an Islamic congregation, and self-identification as a Muslim in the United States and the rest of the West, illegal?
If you are going to use logical fallacies, you had better first learn what they mean. If you are going to argue someone's point, you should first learn what they are saying.
I did not say that any religion should be banned in the USA. THAT REALLY IS USING A STRAWMAN attack.
Since you are accusing me of using strawman and then you turn arround and use it on me, I have to wonder if you have a habit of doing that and you have been called on it so often that you are itching to call someone use on it. Am I right?
It is not a strawman if it is, in fact, CORRECT to say that it does not matter how wonderful kind and peace loving most Muslims are and then explain precisely and in no uncertain terms why that is.
If you are going to throw around logical fallacy expersions incorrectly then you are attacking the person personally or trying to because you are not doing anything else.
You said:
Originally Posted by DC
false religion? are there any non false religions?
I said:
Go to "Is Islam Evil" thread and read the 10th line.
It does not mean anything when you said "false religion? are there any non false religions?" That is a cop out. You are making an excuse to not do anything.
That is right, isn't it? You want a reason for inactivity.
You said
false religion? are there any non false religions?
If you were not implying that islam is not bad because all religions are bad, then what were you doing? You just kind of had an idea that you thought no one else had?
If you were not repeating the idea that all religions are bad, were you making an off-topic commennt? So are you going to start a new discussion thread and you got lost?
You appear to be suggesting that even though the vast-majority of Muslims are peaceful, they should nevertheless be judged by violent & hateful acts of the extremist minority. Shall we also conclude that you therefore view all Muslims as "the enemy" and should be treated as such?
No. I am NOT saying that that Muslims should be judged at all. Take a look at the topic of this discussion thread. The word "Muslim" or the word "Muslims" does not exist in the topic of the discussion thread.
Now, what you are doing here REALLY IS A STRAWMAN attack. You are changing the point I was making to make it something easy to knock down. That is a strawman attack.
..Now, what you are doing here REALLY IS A STRAWMAN attack. You are changing the point I was making to make it something easy to knock down. That is a strawman attack.
That is fine. Now Bill, please explain to the thread what exactly you would like to see done to the Islamic faith in the United States.
When you act coy and fail to truly state your goals, ambitions, and agenda, all we can do is attempt to figure out what you are really getting at, based on our understanding of your comments.
So please, state for the record what you would like to see done with Islam in America and the West.
You said
false religion? are there any non false religions?
If you were not implying that islam is not bad because all religions are bad, then what were you doing? You just kind of had an idea that you thought no one else had?
If you were not repeating the idea that all religions are bad, were you making an off-topic commennt? So are you going to start a new discussion thread and you got lost?
other religions are also bad and we manage to get along together. we just have to tell them what they can do and what not, laws and such, and they can belief what they want as long they stick to the law. and those that do not stick to the law will get arested.
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