Why Not Palin for President?

Yes, that is what your forefathers bled and died for.

TAM:)
It's actually what Andrew Jackson fought numerous political battles for: more suffrage, more people involved in voting. Even those of potentially dubious wit.

DR
 
I'm a tad confused. Weren't you earlier (in this thread or another one) arguing that outsourcing jobs was better for this country?

I'll assume this was a rhetorical answer intended to explain the viewpoint of 'average' supporter of Palin.

It was. But even if outsourcing jobs is better "for the country," that doesn't mean that it's better for any specific one of us personally. People tend to vote -- justifiably -- for their own self-interest instead of for the interest of a watered-down group of people that is likely to end up hurting the specific voter.

Indeed, that's why "pork" exists in the first place. The famous "Bridge to Nowhere" in Alaska would [have] put $400 million dollars into the local economy through construction money and service[d] an island with fifty residents. But the bridge works out to be something like $800 in federal construction spending for every man, woman, and child in Alaska -- better than the tax rebate! Ted Stevens was popular precisely because he was good at bringing that kind of pork to Alaskans, and serving the people with whom he identified.


If not, I'd say that the above is a false dichotomy, in that I don't think the Republican line up will consist of corporate executives on the whole.

No, but a large number of them are corporate executives or professional long0term politicians. The Senate has been described many times as a "Millionaires club," where most of the members are more beholden to the special interest groups that fund their candidacy than their actual constituents. In other words, people who don't understand the problems their constituents face, or aren't willing to take them seriously enough (in the views of those same constituents).

A good example of that is the high unemployment rate that was deliberately maintained in the 1980s by Fed Chairman Paul Volcker. He hiked interest rates high enough to cut the money supply to the bone, and shot unemployment through the roof. Of coure, Volcker wasn't an elected official -- indeed, few elected officials would have survived setting policy that threw nearly ten percent of the electorate out of work.

But what kind of a person -- other than a salaried banker type -- would consider ten percent unemployment a good thing?

I'd also say that living through something may lend understanding of how something hurts/sucks, but it doesn't mean they have the economic and political understanding of how to fix something, and it would actually bias them towards not recognizing that perhaps something shouldn't/cannot be fixed.

And that's why people would vote for Palin, or any other populust who says "I understand your problem and will fix it" over someone who says "I see that you're in trouble, but I deny that it's a problem and I believe it should not be fixed."
 
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It's actually what Andrew Jackson fought numerous political battles for: more suffrage, more people involved in voting. Even those of potentially dubious wit.

DR

Thanks for the brief but relevant American History lesson DR. I am also sure that more than one person died so that American's today enjoy the right to elect their officials every 2 years.

TAM:)
 
Thanks for the brief but relevant American History lesson DR. I am also sure that more than one person died so that American's today enjoy the right to elect their officials every 2 years.
Aye. Which officials are you referring to? That's only one House of Congress, and a bunch of our officials aren't elected ...

Seems sadly ironic that some of these "representatives" appear to forget that people fought, bled, killed, and died for their opportunity to cock up. :p

DR
 
Well, what I meant was that every 2 years they get to vote for "Some" official. Every 2 years Americans get to use their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to vote, that their forefathers bled and died for...yet Eyeron says he would gladly vote someone in merely to piss others off...not a wise use of said bled for right...IMO.

TAM:)
 
Well, what I meant was that every 2 years they get to vote for "Some" official. Every 2 years Americans get to use their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to vote, that their forefathers bled and died for...yet Eyeron says he would gladly vote someone in merely to piss others off...not a wise use of said bled for right...IMO.

TAM:)
Yes.

But sometimes a vote against is what people use, such as in 2008 when the swing voters voted against Bush and his party, or in 2000 when the swing voters voted against Clinton, and his party. ;)
 
Yes.

But sometimes a vote against is what people use, such as in 2008 when the swing voters voted against Bush and his party, or in 2000 when the swing voters voted against Clinton, and his party. ;)

I am ok with a "Vote Against" that, IMO, is a valid use of such a system. However, using a vote to "piss people off" is not, IMO, a valid use.

TAM:)
 
This depends on how much you can consider someone smart if they place ideology over facts.

Not specifically referencing W, but I do think there's a difference between being misguided and being stupid.

I'd just like to make a few comments on the Ivy League vs. non-Ivy League discussion.

Yes, Ivy League schools can offer a superior education for a number of reasons:

- They can attract top educators with incentives and salary

Most of whom then concentrate on their research and leave the actual plebeian job of instructing students to teaching assistants. I wish I could find it - I once read an article about how few "professors" at Ivy League schools can actually be found offering face-to-face instruction in the classroom.


People refer to Clinton as president still.
Is governer different?

They're not supposed to. The protocol is that there is one President at a time. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/20/AR2009012003558.html


In 10 years we will be thinking, "I wonder what ever happened to..."

From your keyboard to God's (or Ed's or the FSM's or the IPU's) ears.


it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that Palin, while a very nice lady, is an idiot.

I don't think she's a nice lady at all. I think she is probably mean. And that's one of my big objections to the Republican Party as it is currently constituted - "mean" seems somehow to have become a positive trait, and one that most of the current crop of politicians aspire to.

Finally, Sarah Palin may be dumb as a box of rocks or she may be as smart as her groupies say she is, but whichever, she actively promotes ignorance. She promotes simple-minded thinking. She promotes short-sightedness. She promotes sloganeering over thinking and doing. In the White House, she would be dangerous.
 
Finally, Sarah Palin may be dumb as a box of rocks or she may be as smart as her groupies say she is, but whichever, she actively promotes ignorance. She promotes simple-minded thinking. She promotes short-sightedness. She promotes sloganeering over thinking and doing. In the White House, she would be dangerous.

You mean she promotes core christian conservative values then....lol

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

TAM:)
 
To fair-minded critics and political analysts, Sarah Palin is remarkable. She may be a shooting star in a sky otherwise empty of shooting stars, but my, what a bright light the lady makes.

Some of the sound accompanying the light is the noise of grinding liberal teeth, which alone is reward enough for conservatives. And this week, just as the polling numbers of Barack Obama continued to fall, her approval numbers continued to climb. The president, says Gallup, has fallen to 47 percent approval; 46 percent approve of the lady from Alaska.

http://townhall.com/columnists/SuzanneFields/2009/12/11/the_roguish_success_of_sarah_palin

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That there are enough americans that approve of a dimwitted, paper puppet of a wannabe leader who is absent of substance or intellect on all matters of import does make me grit my teeth...but it also proves the adage that at least 25% of the population is retarded.

TAM:)
 
I'm trying to understand why people either like or dislike Palin. If Palin was quietly religious, was for stem cell research and pro choice - would this make her a better candidate for those who lean more to the left? Does she not have some redeeming qualities? What about the work she has done in Alaska? What do you think would happen if she was elected president of the US?
Why not? Because she'd sap our precious bodily fluids!

That's why. ;)
 
The problem I have with Conservatives who support Palin is there are conservatives out there who have much better qualfications, are much better educated, and do not makes total fools of themselves just about every three days the way that Palin does. Why they support Palin instead of other conservatives who might, you know, have a chance to win in a general election puzzles me.
Because the people whom they get their opinions from were obliged to spend nearly three months pretending that she was a fit person to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Who else has got that treatment?
 
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Finally, Sarah Palin may be dumb as a box of rocks or she may be as smart as her groupies say she is, but whichever, she actively promotes ignorance. She promotes simple-minded thinking. She promotes short-sightedness. She promotes sloganeering over thinking and doing. In the White House, she would be dangerous.


Here's one of my favorite* examples of Palin's promotion of ignorance:

"That's more than the shortfall to fully fund the IDEA," she said. "And where does a lot of that earmark money end up? It goes to projects having little or nothing to do with the public good -- things like fruit fly research in Paris, France, ...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2008/10/24/palin_details_special_needs_po.html


Stunning. What. an. ass. Is she truly ignorant of the role of fruit flies in biological research? Or does she choose to pick funny souding targets despite knowing that she's lying through her teeth. It makes little difference. Nice hit on France too -- France-bashing is the very heart and soul of Palinistic idiocy.

*by "favorite," I mean makes me sick to my stomach that willful ignorance penetrates so far into the corridors of power.
 
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No doubt she thinks people who study fruit flies are actually interested in fruit flies, rather than the window into genetics they model so well for us.
 
Yes idiot was first amongst the answers, but feel free to chime in. It is likely one of the ONLY times you and I will agree on something.

TAM:)
 

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