Why is there a double standard for Judaism?

mortimer said:
So the fact that hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher but not halal food is evidence of a double standard? Seems like kind of a weak point to argue. Do you have evidence that there is demand for halal food in Swiss hospitals?
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A simpler explanation is that, for all culinary intents and purposes, Halal is "kosher light": I am quite sure everything that is kosher is also Halal, but not vise-versa (e.g., it is Halal to have meat with cheese). So it's pointless to have kosher and halal while having kosher is also halal by default.
 
bikerdruid said:
sounds like democracy. with 10 times the numbers, they deserve more consideration from the government.
isn't that what democracy is all about?
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i made my argument in this post^^^^
DanishDynamite said:
I see that you are a troll. Do you?

Either make your argument or get of the crapper.
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get off the crapper??:cool:...........really....:rolleyes:
 
Skeptic said:
A simpler explanation is that, for all culinary intents and purposes, Halal is "kosher light": I am quite sure everything that is kosher is also Halal, but not vise-versa (e.g., it is Halal to have meat with cheese). So it's pointless to have kosher and halal while having kosher is also halal by default.
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Having any type of special food available should be up to the market. If the firm running the canteen at a Swiss hospital sees a market in having special "Allah blessed" meals, they should of course be free to provide such meals. As they should be free to provide "smokers only" areas for those so inclined.
 
bikerdruid said:
i made my argument in this post^^^^


get off the crapper??:cool:...........really....:rolleyes:
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I responded to that argument. If you have a counter-argument more potent than "this response is asinine in the extreme...." please provide it. Otherwise get off the crapper.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Having any type of special food available should be up to the market. If the firm running the canteen at a Swiss hospital sees a market in having special "Allah blessed" meals, they should of course be free to provide such meals. As they should be free to provide "smokers only" areas for those so inclined.
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That's just my point: both kosher and halal certification cost money (people need to make sure the food is correctly processed, etc.); if having your place kosher means it's automatically halal but not vice versa, naturally kosher makes more economic sense, unless having something certified kosher is expensive enough not to be worth the extra sales.
 
Skeptic said:
A simpler explanation is that, for all culinary intents and purposes, Halal is "kosher light": I am quite sure everything that is kosher is also Halal, but not vise-versa (e.g., it is Halal to have meat with cheese). So it's pointless to have kosher and halal while having kosher is also halal by default.
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At least according to this website:

http://www.soundvision.com/info/halalhealthy/halal.kosher.asp

it's not exactly true. But I doubt many hospitals serve pig cheese. Yogurt on the other hand...

I guess the big one according to this website is not culinary, but religious, as kosher slaughter does not involve mentioning God over the animal, whereas halal slaughter requires Allah be uttered over the animal.
 
I there was a law banning halal food, that would be an issue. If the point is that there simply isn't halal food, it's a non-issue: I suggest waiting. If there will be a market for it, someone will open a store selling it.
 
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mortimer said:
At least according to this website:

http://www.soundvision.com/info/halalhealthy/halal.kosher.asp

it's not exactly true. But I doubt many hospitals serve pig cheese. Yogurt on the other hand...

I guess the big one according to this website is not culinary, but religious, as kosher slaughter does not involve mentioning God over the animal, whereas halal slaughter requires Allah be uttered over the animal.
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cbc radio did an interview with a halal butcher from toronto a few weeks ago.
the ritual is very specific. the animal must not be slaughtered within sight of his fellows and the killing is done with great reverence and prayer.
 
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bikerdruid said:
cbc radio did an interview with a halal butcher from toronto a few weeks ago.
the ritual is very specific. the animal must not be slaughtered within sight of his fellows and the killing is done with great reverence and prayer.
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Which is entirely silly, but not much more silly than kosher slaughter rules.
 
mortimer said:
So the fact that hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher but not halal food is evidence of a double standard? Seems like kind of a weak point to argue. Do you have evidence that there is demand for halal food in Swiss hospitals?
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yes the evidence is 6% of the people in switzerland are Moslems and only 0.2% are Jewish and there is already a demand for Kosher meals in Hospitals, so sure 6% will create a bigger demand.
 
mortimer said:
I guess another question would be, how available are kosher vs. halal products in Switzerland? I don't imagine that hospitals house a kosher slaughterhouse in their basements; they buy what's available to them.
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http://www.inforel.ch/i20e10041.html
http://www.inforel.ch/i21e1004.html

i dont know how trustworthy the Koscher labelin in hospital food is. but when they say its Kosher, i expect they serve real kosher food then.

Muslims get adviced to eat Kosher food in hospitals.
 
Skeptic said:
I there was a law banning halal food, that would be an issue. If the point is that there simply isn't halal food, it's a non-issue: I suggest waiting. If there will be a market for it, someone will open a store selling it.
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no my point was, that for 0.2% of the population, public hospitals are serving Kosher food. That is good. i mean they believe they have to eat it out of religious resons, i see no problem with that being respected.

But then we have 6% Moslems, they are not getting their religious food wishes fullfilled.
 
DC said:
no my point was, that for 0.2% of the population, public hospitals are serving Kosher food. That is good. i mean they believe they have to eat it out of religious resons, i see no problem with that being respected.

But then we have 6% Moslems, they are not getting their religious food wishes fullfilled.
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Did anybody actually ask the hospitals to serve Halal food? Any official petition from the Muslim community? I'm not against it, it's just that not every lack of X in institute Y is evidence of some "lack of respect". Again it seems a matter of time: surely hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher food not because of pressure from the Jewish community but because they did it for many years already.
 
Skeptic said:
Did anybody actually ask the hospitals to serve Halal food? Any official petition from the Muslim community? I'm not against it, it's just that not every lack of X in institute Y is evidence of some "lack of respect". Again it seems a matter of time: surely hospitals in Switzerland serve kosher food not because of pressure from the Jewish community but because they did it for many years already.
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Animal protection groups demand an even ban of imported Halal and Josher food.
But additionaly to that, there are huge groups of right wingers that are against import of Halal meat but with no word they mention Kosher meat.

Also Coop (a big chain of stores) for example has stores also selling Kosher products.
when they anounced they will now also have stores that also sell Halal, there was huge outcries from the right. From spamm mails, facebook groups, online petitions and even politicians speaking out against it.

and no word about Coop Kosher stores
 
ddt said:
Sure everyone has the right to advocate for their own interests, I never denied that. As to playing the victim card, I alluded to this kind of statements:
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I don't know what point you're trying to make here. I think it's perfectly natural to think that a law that targets a Jewish practice is anti-Semitic. And let's be honest, isn't that law promoted by the PVV Freedom Party? A lot of people consider them racist.

Just like the Minaret law in Switzerland. You can claim it's not anti-Muslim, after all it targets an architectural feature, not Muslims, but we all know that's just a fiction.
 
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