Why is homosexuality wrong?

[XenonII]

Darn, we were hoping that nobody would notice. But hey, since the cat is out of the bag anyway, what do you think of our progress so far?

Have you heard about all of the deaths in Massachusetts as a result of gay marriage being legal? I hear they have to use dump trucks to collect all of the deceased, with TV Evangelists walking through the streets in Boston banging on a kettle and yelling "Bring out your dead!". It is a fairly hellish scene, I'll admit.

Are you afraid to go outside after dark?

Many Christians can only stand back in horror at the pace of cultural change we have experienced over the last few years. The unthinkable has become the "norm" as homosexuality has gone from being rightfully shunned, to widely praised, militantly defended and even openly flaunted on our streets. Society is in danger of going to hell in a homo's handbasket unless the culture recovers its sanity in a hurry.

The agenda of the homosexual activists is clear. They will not rest until all organized opposition to their behavior and lifestyle is silenced. There is no question that the Church represents the great threat to the normalization of homosexual behavior. Christians must be silenced if the homosexual activists are to have their way. The legalization and forced acceptance of homosexuality is the principal threat to religious freedom.

Homosexuals are trying to take the issue out the moral realm by claiming their cause is a human rights issue. They slander their opponents with acusations of being "hateful" and "intolerant" towards them. Homosexuality though unlike race, religion or gender is a behavior. It is learned, the result of environmental circumstances that perverts one's normal sexual desires, and that is why they want it taught in the schools. It's disgraceful this behavior may now be forced upon children. How about some separation of homosexuality and state?

It's also a deadly behaviour, shortening the life expectancy of the participants by decades but they never teach that, do they? Smoking is a learned behavior. Alcoholism is a learned behavior. Drug addictions are a learned behavior. All are deadly, like AIDS and other diseases spread by homosexuality. Should we teach them all to the children as "a normal behavior" in their textbooks? Should we glorify all deadly behaviors? If not, why glorify just one and not the rest?

The left is working on eliminating religion. Christianity remains the greatest obstacle to the final success of the homosexual movement. The silencing of the church must be their ultimate priority. That's where "hate speech regulation" comes in. Outlaw any religious speech based on God and morality, and replace it with a handbook by and a statue of Karl Marx.

Homosexuality has been added to groups covered by "hate crimes" legislation in much of homofascist Europe, Canada and now liberals are trying to do the same here. Churches teaching that homosexuality is a sin face harsh sanctions and even criminal penalties. "Hate crime" legislation could well declare certain sections of the Bible as "hate literature." Clergy could face criminal charges if they refuse to perform a "marriage" of two sodomites. Parents who want their children to "opt out" of classes that promote homosexual deviancy could also face criminal charges. Educators, even those teaching in Christian schools, could not refuse to teach a pro-sodomy curriculum.

The homosexual agenda directs much of its opposition to the biblical concepts of marriage and family. Demands for same sex "marriage" are only one dimension of this agenda. A complete transformation of the concept of the family, including child rearing, parental authority, and the right of parents to instruct their children in biblical morality are all under threat. How long will it be before Christian parents are charged with child abuse for teaching biblical morality to their "defenseless" children?

In any other context, this would be seen for what it is, an Orwellian transformation of our culture with religious liberty sacrificed for the sake of a well organized group of moral terrorists. But, in our current day of moral revisionism, all this is packaged as the new moral "enlightenment".

Christians who doubt that the homosexual agenda is a genuine threat to religious liberty need only consider employees in major corporations who are judged to be uncooperative and thus terminated or turned down for promotion, because they will not serve on a committee planning a "gay" awareness day or refuse to display a rainbow flag on their cubicle. Just ask parents ready to take foster children into their homes in California, who are denied the opportunity to care for children in need because they will not bend the knee to the homosexual militants. Or, consider those in other nations already facing criminal sanctions and heavy fines simply for preaching or teaching the sinful nature of the homosexual lifestyle.

The tragic reality is that the homosexual activists are winning and we are losing. Be forewarned, the homosexual revolution is only a hint of the shape of things to come. If religious liberty means anything, it means the right to teach and practice Biblical morality. Once this is forbidden, religious liberty is reduced to ashes and the homos, athiests and other enemies of the state have won in their ongoing relentless battle against America to drag society down to the pitts of hell with them.

 

[Southwind17]

... and its criminal more isn't done to enforce the law.

I like this. Perhaps a new law is needed requiring enforcement of the existing!

 

[wollery]

Ill informed, factually inaccurate, religious, homophobic rant with little or no connection to reality, with dubious links to Marxism, possibly motivated by fear of own latent homosexuality.

[prewitt81] Nope. [/prewitt81]

 

[Southwind17]

Many Christians can only stand back in horror at the pace of cultural change we have experienced over the last fw years. The unthinkable has become the "norm" as homosexuality has gone from being rightfully shunned to openly flaunted on our streets.

So who's 'right' and 'who's' wrong then?

The legalization and forced acceptance of homosexuality is the principal threat to our religious freedoms today.

Bring it on

Smoking is a learned behavior. Alcoholism is a learned behavior. Drug addictions are a learned behavior.

Practice makes perfect

All are deadly, like AIDS and other diseases and infections spread by homosexuality. Should we teach them all to the children as "a normal behavior" in their textbooks? Should we glorify all the deadly behaviors? If not, why glorify just one and not the rest?

Can you cite any textbooks that actually do this?

Opponents of the homosexual agenda are labeled "hateful" or "intolerant" toward those that are "merely different".
The left is working on eliminating religion. That's where "hate speech regulation" comes in. Outlaw any religious speech based on God and morality, and replace it with a handbook by and a statue of Karl Marx. Christianity remains the greatest obstacle to the final success of the homosexual movement. The silencing of the church must be their ultimate priority.

Hear, hear. Now your talking baby

Homosexuality has been added to groups covered by "hate crimes" legislation in much of homofascist Europe, Canada and now liberals are trying to do the same here. Churches teaching that homosexuality is a sin face harsh sanctions and even criminal penalties. "Hate crime" legislation could well declare certain sections of the Bible as "hate literature." Clergy could face criminal charges if they refuse to perform a "marriage" of two sodomites. Parents who want their children to "opt out" of classes that promote homosexual deviancy could also face criminal charges. Educators, even those teaching in Christian schools, could not refuse to teach a pro-sodomy curriculum.

Mmmm ... this seems sensible.

How long will it be before Christian parents are charged with child abuse for teaching biblical morality to their "defenseless" children?

It's way overdue, didn't you know?

The tragic reality is that the homosexual activists are winning and we are losing. Be forewarned, the homosexual revolution is only a hint of the shape of things to come. If religious liberty means anything, it means the right to teach and practice Biblical morality. Once this is forbidden, religious liberty is reduced to ashes and the homos, atheists and other enemies of morality have won.

Any idea of the timescale? It's just that I'd like to get the tux dry-cleaned in good time!

 

[Mashuna]

They slander their opponents with acusations of being "hateful" and "intolerant" towards them.

I'm sorry you've been slandered in this way. I'm glad that you are actually tolerant and loving towards gay people, and finally coming to terms with your true self.

 

[rex]

I don't want anyone dead

Quoting from the following post made on 3 July 2007 at another site with the same user name XenonII:
http://www.politicsforumpoliticalworld.com/47036-post290.html

Post title: "We need a new Hitler to get rid of all the homosexuals!"

[...]

Quote: "The only rights homosexuals should have is the right to go STRAIGHT. Straight to hell that is and it is societies duty to execute them and send them on their way so God can do is work!"

 

[Safe-Keeper]

So he's gone from just bashing gays to bashing gays and Africans, and now to also bash "the atheist/liberal conspiracy" to eliminate religion and free enterprise, which are inter-connected in the eyes of so many fundies.

I'm sorry you've been slandered in this way. I'm glad that you are actually tolerant and loving towards gay people, and finally coming to terms with your true self.

I don't understand how the Christian fundies, who make up the powerbase of the USA, controls so much of its government (all of it?) and has so much influence on its politics, can claim it's being persecuted and that they are in immediate danger of being exterminated. It's as if the atheists were readying gas ovens in the countryside and actively and openly encouraging the massacre of all believers.

Oh, and rex, yes, that sounds like the XenonII I know.

 

[Taffer]

carousel is a lie.

It's hard to overstate my satisfaction.

 

[ThatSoundAgain]

So he's gone from just bashing gays to bashing gays and Africans, and now to also bash "the atheist/liberal conspiracy" to eliminate religion and free enterprise, which are inter-connected in the eyes of so many fundies.

Well, where would free enterprise be if you couldn't take some random hateful bronze-age manuscript and get the masses to pay you for weekly rants from said volume, and even lend you credibility and political clout. All this so you can stay in the closet hugging your tax exempt status.

Where would free enterprise be then, huh?

 

[Safe-Keeper]

Many Christians can only stand back in horror at the pace of cultural change we have experienced over the last few years. The unthinkable has become the "norm" as homosexuality has gone from being rightfully shunned, to widely praised, militantly defended and even openly flaunted on our streets.

Thank you. Nice summary. Unfortunately your post goes downhill from here.

The agenda of the homosexual activists is clear. They will not rest until all organized opposition to their behavior and lifestyle is silenced.

That's one Heck of a way to spin a mere desire for liberty and tolerance.

There is no question that the Church represents the great threat to the normalization of homosexual behavior. Christians must be silenced if the homosexual activists are to have their way.

Again, this is an odd way to phrase a desire for tolerance. Personally, I agree with 'the gay agenda' that religious leaders should not be allowed to hide behind their myths to discriminate against homosexuals.

The legalization and forced acceptance of homosexuality is the principal threat to religious freedom. [emp. mine]

I'd say militant atheists trying to eradicate all religion should be seen as a far greater threat.

Homosexuals are trying to take the issue out the moral realm by claiming their cause is a human rights issue. [...] Homosexuality though unlike race, religion or gender is a behavior.

So is theism. Yet Christians consider it a human rights issue (right to free religion) when people 'persecute' you. The mind boggles.

It is learned [and so on]

You keep repeating this, but fail to back it up with reliable evidence. If I repeat that it's not a choice more often than you repeat that it is, does that mean it's innate and not learned?

It's disgraceful this behavior may now be forced upon children. How about some separation of homosexuality and state?

Homosexuality is not 'forced upon children'. Tolerance and acceptance of homosexuality is.

It's also a deadly behaviour, shortening the life expectancy of the participants by decades but they never teach that, do they?

Again, to repeatedly state something doesn't make it true. Prove to me that gays on average live 30 years shorter because of their sexual orientation. If you can convince me of this, I'll agree with you it should be taught in schools. No problem there.

The left is working on eliminating religion. Christianity remains the greatest obstacle to the final success of the homosexual movement. The silencing of the church must be their ultimate priority. That's where "hate speech regulation" comes in. Outlaw any religious speech based on God and morality, and replace it with a handbook by and a statue of Karl Marx.

Two words: Prove it.

Unfortunately for you fundies who so much want to come across as persecuted for your beliefs, hate crime laws cover things already illegal, such as assault, death threats, and discrimination in the workplace.

Homosexuality has been added to groups covered by "hate crimes" legislation in much of homofascist Europe, Canada and now liberals are trying to do the same here.

A necessary move, as you demonstrate so successfully here.

Churches teaching that homosexuality is a sin face harsh sanctions and even criminal penalties.

Perhaps you here refer to state-run churches? Which can't promote intolerance and hatred because they're part of the State? Otherwise, I'm not sure what you refer to. Unless by 'harsh sanctions' you mean people pointing fingers and saying 'don't do that'. Which happens to everyone and is, face it, covered by freedom of speech.

"Hate crime" legislation could well declare certain sections of the Bible as "hate literature."

Perhaps so. Unless you have a shred of evidence they seek to do so other than the slippery slope, however, it remains a paranoid conspiracy theory.

Clergy could face criminal charges if they refuse to perform a "marriage" of two sodomites. Parents who want their children to "opt out" of classes that promote homosexual deviancy could also face criminal charges. Educators, even those teaching in Christian schools, could not refuse to teach a pro-sodomy curriculum.

I don't see a problem with either of these. Clergy should not be allowed to discriminate, parents should not be allowed to hide education on tolerance from their kids, and the fact that your school is sectarian doesn't mean it shouldn't cover certain necessary topics.

The homosexual agenda directs much of its opposition to the biblical concepts of marriage and family. Demands for same sex "marriage" are only one dimension of this agenda. A complete transformation of the concept of the family, including child rearing, parental authority, and the right of parents to instruct their children in biblical morality are all under threat.

Translation: No wife-beating or -raping, no hitting your kids, and no indoctrination into fanatical religious dogma. I'm for the prevention of every single one of these practices except the last, which fortunately does not happen.

How long will it be before Christian parents are charged with child abuse for teaching biblical morality to their "defenseless" children?'

Very, very long. I see no signs of anyone even trying to make this illegal.

In any other context, this would be seen for what it is, an Orwellian transformation of our culture with religious liberty sacrificed for the sake of a well organized group of moral terrorists.

If civil rights and your religious leanings are incompatible, it's your leaning that have to yield. Your rights go to my snout.

Christians who doubt that the homosexual agenda is a genuine threat to religious liberty need only consider employees in major corporations who are judged to be uncooperative and thus terminated or turned down for promotion, because they will not serve on a committee planning a "gay" awareness day or refuse to display a rainbow flag on their cubicle.

Because if they do, their religion is in conflict with civil rights. Firing someone for not actively promoting homosexual tolerance irks me, but doesn't exactly make me mad.

Just ask parents ready to take foster children into their homes in California, who are denied the opportunity to care for children in need because they will not bend the knee to the homosexual militants.

Maybe if you translated that into English, I'd be able to reply. What, exactly, are you trying to say here?

The tragic reality is that the homosexual activists are winning and we are losing.

If you've accepted this, why do you keep fighting? Want to keep on going 'til the Russkies are at your bunker, eh?

Be forewarned, the homosexual revolution is only a hint of the shape of things to come.

Of course. In two hundred years we'll very likely have a culture very different from the one we see today. Just like our morals are different from those of 1807. Morals are changing at a fast pace.

If religious liberty means anything, it means the right to teach and practice Biblical morality.

Morality is morality is morality. Just that something belongs in a holy book doesn't give it a free pass. I'm all for religious people, all people in fact, pushing their views. When you actively interfere with civil rights, though, you cross the line.

Once this is forbidden, religious liberty is reduced to ashes and the homos, athiests and other enemies of the state have won in their ongoing relentless battle against America to drag society down to the pitts of hell with them.

America fared fairly well before it became a Christian nation. The 'Nordic bloc' fares pretty well, too, and it's atheistic. England and Canada are doing fine, and they're fairly secular, too. I don't foresee a problem with good ole America returning to her secular roots.

 

[Mid]

...snip...
homofascist Europe
...snip...

So given what looks like your comment on the other site I'm assuming your complaint here is that it's not nazi Europe instead?

 

[Correa Neto]

I'm straight.

But I'm a blend from Portuguese, Italian, French, Native Brazillian and quite possible something else. I engaged pre-marital sex. I only regret not having more, much more of it. I support pre marital sex. I think nowadays sex's main purpose is recreational (nowadays only? C'mon, chances are it's always been like this). I fully support recreational non-reproductive sex. I fully support sexual diversity; gay couples and lesbian couples must have the same rights heterosexual couples have. Open and polyamorous marriages are nothing but a matter of choice, its their choice, no one should be able to interferr.

Can join you on your circle of Hell?

And now, for something completely different, I request a new "I'm straight" smilie. Someone please put a smile on this guy's face->

 

[Foster Zygote]

carousel is a lie.

Don't listen to her folks. She doesn't know what she's talking about. Move along.

 

[Ladewig]

Many Christians can only stand back in horror at the pace of cultural change we have experienced over the last few years. The unthinkable has become the "norm" as homosexuality has gone from being rightfully shunned, to widely praised, militantly defended and even openly flaunted on our streets. Society is in danger of going to hell in a homo's handbasket unless the culture recovers its sanity in a hurry.

That's the stuff. You were getting a bit weak a couple of pages ago, but now you are on the ball.

Homosexuality though unlike race, religion or gender is a behavior. It is learned, the result of environmental circumstances that perverts one's normal sexual desires,

I award you ten troll points for slipping religion into a list of innate characteristics that are protected by federal law. We all know that religion is very much a learned behavior. Of course the distinction is somewhat irrelevant anyway because both innate characteristics (race, sex) and learned characteristics (religion, political affiliation) are protected against discrimination under U.S. law.

... and that is why they want it taught in the schools.

An extra five troll points for accusing the homo-atheistic-liberal complex of wanting their dogma taught in schools while the it is really the religious fundies who want their dogma (school prayer and no evolution) taught. Well-played.

If religious liberty means anything, it means the right to teach and practice Biblical morality. Once this is forbidden, religious liberty is reduced to ashes and the homos, athiests and other enemies of the state have won in their ongoing relentless battle against America to drag society down to the pitts of hell with them.

Mwhaahaahaahaa. Our evil plan is taking shape even as I type these words. You're doomed XenonII. Doomed, I tell you.

 

[Greatest I am]

Two people of the same sex cannot procreate and if everyone was a homosexual the human species would become extinct. Who could possibly argue with that?

If that were to be our final evolution then what is the point of you destroying your own reputation and soul by denigrating and discriminating against Gays?

They are not attacking the society, they are just born to it.

The only moral force that can come to bear here is the power of the victim to complain. No victim is standing to be counted. How do you justify you standing for the victim? Who is the victim?

Regards
DL

 

[Paulhoff]

LEGAL immigrants should be required to speak English because it is America's national language.

There is no law that makes English the national language. Show us the law.

Paul

 

[ponderingturtle]

XenonII, you stated a little while ago that one of the problems with homosexual marriage is that next it will be polygamous marriage. Well could you please cite the biblical references against polygamous marriage, as long as it fits the biblical model of one man, and his property (wives, concubines, and slaves) and so forth.

 

[Greatest I am]

Please show me your biblical justification as to why a man can not have multiple wives.

Scripture does not forbid multiple wives.

Logically, what man would display his insecurities so blatantly as to require more than one wife?
It is difficult enough to find one good spouse, let alone more than one.

Regards
DL

 

[Paulhoff]

Polygyny is in the bible many times.

Paul

 

[ponderingturtle]

Scripture does not forbid multiple wives.

Logically, what man would display his insecurities so blatantly as to require more than one wife?
It is difficult enough to find one good spouse, let alone more than one.

Regards
DL

I know that. The point is that XenonII keeps arguing from the bible, and then brought up polygamy, but the bible never makes any statements against polygamy, only general statements that marriage is bad in the new testament because the end of the world is at hand and everyone should leave their families to follow Jesus.