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Why I hate America

mumblethrax said:
My favorite moment from the Kaepernick controversy was reading someone who said "People died for our national anthem!"
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I knew it was notoriously difficult to sing, but I hadn't realized there was an actual death toll from the attempt.
 
dudalb said:
Re Colin Kapernick: He has a right to protest, but no right to be immune from negative consequences from the method he used to protest.
He had probably a valid point, but his method of making it was stupid. It ended up alienating people instead of making them listen to him. The longer I live, the more I relize that that old statement "It is not what you say, but how you say it, that makes or breaks a case" is 100% the truth.
Frankly, this is another area that a lot of activist just don't get. :they don't get the purpose of a protest.It should not be aimed on people who already agree with you, but with people who don't or don't care about an issue. You need to reach them,not do some action that gets you fellow activist excited but turns other people off.
Otherwise it is a useless circle jerk that makes you feel good but accomplishes nothing.

As for blackballed from his profession. If Colin Kaepernick had a good record as a QB over the past few seasons, he would have been signed by now. People forget that the Niners were basically trying to trade him..without success...at the time Kaepernick took the knee. I am sure that is major factor why Colin is not signed up. You have a medicore at best QB with a ton of issues;no wonder teams are not falling over themselves to trade him.
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I don't disagree with any of that. It is simply strategic discourse. As someone who has spent his life in sales, I absolutely comprehend that how you sell can be as important as what you are selling. This is why for example I sent messages to Tony Stark about calling Republicans human trash. Everything of value gets lost in the delivery. I would never burn a flag, but I absolutely believe my fellow citizens have and never should be denied that right.

It just seems rather phoney to me to wave the flag proclaiming the virtues of America while at the same time contradicting those virtues. This is why I have a love hate relationship with the flag. Patriotism seems disingenuous. Nothing more than waving a number 12 flag in Seattle shouting hooray for our Seahawks. Loving America to me means being open to argument and dissent. Jerry Fallwell, Bill O'Reilly, and Rush Limbaugh make my blood boil, but they should not be denied their right to speak.
 
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I think to many of us not American simply the patriotism baffles us......
 
Let's play a different game. I'm going to call out all the political weasel words and guess at real meanings instead.

  1. The U.S. Constitution
  2. Liberty
  3. Freedom
  4. Success
  5. Big Trucks - Roll coal, prius repellent!
  6. Capitalism - The wealth will trickle down, any minute now!
  7. Free Markets - any minute now
  8. Wealthy People - any minute now
  9. Economic Prosperity - any minute...
  10. The Rule of Law - pick up that can citizen
  11. Traditional Values - like racism and slavery
  12. The American Flag
  13. The Founding Fathers - or more precisely, the words we put in their mouths
  14. Guns - guns dont kill people, people not having guns kills...wait...
  15. Limited Government - only the parts where i tell you what to do
  16. Religious Freedom - you're free to believe in my religion
  17. Homeschooling - to teach your kids my religion
  18. Private Schools - see above
  19. Christian Schools - see above
  20. Entrepreneurs
  21. Ronald Reagan - all hail St. Reagan and the words we put in his mouth
  22. Donald Trump - Long live The King
  23. Mike Pence - And his Court
  24. Country Music
  25. Rush Limbaugh - And The Court Jester
  26. The Tea Party
  27. Lower Taxes - Trickling down - ANY MINUTE NOW!!!
  28. Old-Fashioned Light Bulbs - this has been covered
  29. Jesus - still free to believe in my religion!
  30. The Bible - see above
  31. The Christian Faith - see above
  32. The Drudge Report - The Court Herald
  33. John Wayne
  34. Alex Jones
  35. NASCAR
  36. Tupperware
  37. Big Cheeseburgers
  38. Football
  39. Clint Eastwood
  40. The Army
  41. The Navy
  42. The Marines
  43. The Air Force
  44. Ron Paul
  45. Rand Paul
  46. Marriage - If you don't want to kill all gays you're evil
  47. Family - see above
  48. Babies - see above
  49. Wal-Mart
  50. Flag Pins
  51. Steakhouses - what? is this a muslims reference?
  52. Chuck Norris
  53. Bottled Water
  54. George Washington
  55. The 1st Amendment
  56. The 2nd Amendment - MOAR GUNZ!
  57. The 10th Amendment
  58. The Pledge of Allegiance - like praying on the streetcorner but for patriots
  59. McDonald’s - patriotism is demonstrated by eating fast food, apparently
  60. Coca-Cola - see above
  61. Fried Food - see above
  62. Muscle Cars
  63. Charlie Daniels
  64. Dolly Parton
  65. Duck Dynasty
  66. Johnny Cash
  67. Sarah Palin - 5 more minutes!
  68. Cheesesteaks - more patriotic food i guess
  69. Sean Hannity - another court jester
  70. Rodeos
  71. Cadillacs
  72. Barbie Dolls
  73. Ted Cruz
  74. Fiscal Sanity - still waiting for that trickle down
  75. Charlton Heston
  76. Israel - hating muslims, the only real foreign policy
  77. Benjamin Netanyahu - see above
  78. Miners - patriotic manly jobs
  79. Loggers - see above
  80. The Coal Industry -see above
  81. National Sovereignty - international relations via loud yelling and random actions = best policy
  82. National Borders -see above
  83. Uncle Sam - blind patriotism, never question it
  84. The Washington Redskins - i guess you cant be a fan of other teams?
  85. Small Businesses
  86. Self-Employment
  87. Harley-Davidson Motorcycles
  88. Military Veterans
  89. The Phrase “Islamic Terror” - hating muslims, the only real foreign policy
  90. Big Families
  91. The Bible Belt - free to follow my religion
  92. The Creation Museum - free to follow my religion
  93. The 10 Commandments - free to follow my religion
  94. Anyone That Is Pro-Life - free to follow my religion
  95. Anyone Who Disagrees With Them - unable to have a rational discussion?
  96. Hard Work
  97. Patriotism
  98. Winning
  99. The Truth
  100. The American People
 
Travis said:
I'm a liberal. I admit it. Heck I'm proud of it. In fact those online poll things often say I'm actually a socialist...and Dean from Supernatural. Which is so bogus since I'm clearly Sam!

So of course when I see that far right wing blog Charismanews has posted a list of all the things I hate about America...well I can't but help read it. Surely it will be refreshing to see all the things I hate spelled out in list form.

Well I was sure in for a surprise. Turns out I hate things like "success" and "cheeseburgers" which I could have sworn I liked. In fact it turns out I hate "The American People" as a whole which surely also I was unaware of.

Actually here it is and I color coded it. Bold for things I actually like, highlights for things I think are largely good but with some need for fixing and a strike through for the things I actually hate. I hope the mods will allow this since I'm commenting on the whole of the thing.


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  1. You neglected to cross off John Wayne.

    Please watch this and correct your omission.
 
dudalb said:
Re Colin Kapernick: He has a right to protest, but no right to be immune from negative consequences from the method he used to protest.
He had probably a valid point, but his method of making it was stupid. It ended up alienating people instead of making them listen to him. The longer I live, the more I relize that that old statement "It is not what you say, but how you say it, that makes or breaks a case" is 100% the truth.
Frankly, this is another area that a lot of activist just don't get. :they don't get the purpose of a protest.It should not be aimed on people who already agree with you, but with people who don't or don't care about an issue. You need to reach them,not do some action that gets you fellow activist excited but turns other people off.
Otherwise it is a useless circle jerk that makes you feel good but accomplishes nothing.

As for blackballed from his profession. If Colin Kaepernick had a good record as a QB over the past few seasons, he would have been signed by now. People forget that the Niners were basically trying to trade him..without success...at the time Kaepernick took the knee. I am sure that is major factor why Colin is not signed up. You have a medicore at best QB with a ton of issues;no wonder teams are not falling over themselves to trade him.
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Respectively I disagree with almost everything you just said. I do believe Kaepernick is a good QB that was put in some bad situations the past two seasons. And I do believe him not being signed is 100% about his politics.

But lets entertain your premise. How do you think Kaepernick should have protested so that he could get Americans that now hate him to agree with him that cops shouldn't be allowed to murder people?
 
Thanks oopsboom. I think another interesting exercise would be to use the list to actually try and create the sort of liberal they think exists. Someone that hates free markets, babies, steaks and freedom. Just for starts.
 
acbytesla said:
Yea, but what does it have to do with hating America?
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Same as everything else on the Liberty University blog. "I'm for it, so liberals must be against it." He supports Israel and Netanyahu, so I must not, cuz I'm a liberal.

He listed his frickin food choices, fer crissake! And not just the choice, but in one case, the size.... "big cheeseburgers". Is that insinuating that us pinkos like small cheeseburgers?

I'm surprised he didn't list "milkshakes" or "sex". Hey, I like it, so libruls gonna hate it.
 
Foolmewunz said:
He listed his frickin food choices, fer crissake! And not just the choice, but in one case, the size.... "big cheeseburgers". Is that insinuating that us pinkos like small cheeseburgers?
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I think it's meant to insinuate that liberals hate oversized food portions. Apparently, gluttony is a conservative virtue.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Same as everything else on the Liberty University blog. "I'm for it, so liberals must be against it." He supports Israel and Netanyahu, so I must not, cuz I'm a liberal.

He listed his frickin food choices, fer crissake! And not just the choice, but in one case, the size.... "big cheeseburgers". Is that insinuating that us pinkos like small cheeseburgers?

I'm surprised he didn't list "milkshakes" or "sex". Hey, I like it, so libruls gonna hate it.
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I always have mixed feelings about Israel and none about that trash religious university. I don't mind Christianity so long as it isn't practiced. Liberty University likes Israel because they are trying to bring about the end of the world.
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
I think it's meant to insinuate that liberals hate oversized food portions. Apparently, gluttony is a conservative virtue.
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Also, meat. Because liberals are also all level 5 vegans who won't eat anything that can cast a shadow.
 
Obviously when 60 million vote Democrat it isn't representative. But I think it does capture the Zeitgeist of a certain college age, white liberal activist. It reminds me a bit of "stuff white people like" without the humor.
 
Foolmewunz said:
Same as everything else on the Liberty University blog. "I'm for it, so liberals must be against it." He supports Israel and Netanyahu, so I must not, cuz I'm a liberal.

He listed his frickin food choices, fer crissake! And not just the choice, but in one case, the size.... "big cheeseburgers". Is that insinuating that us pinkos like small cheeseburgers?

I'm surprised he didn't list "milkshakes" or "sex". Hey, I like it, so libruls gonna hate it.
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Cl1mh4224rd said:
I think it's meant to insinuate that liberals hate oversized food portions. Apparently, gluttony is a conservative virtue.
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And of course, cheeseburgers are equivalent to seething a kid in its mother's milk, and therefore just as prohibited by the Bible as a man lying with a man as with a woman.
 
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