Why Hariri was killed

[Mycroft]

IMHO, the real underlying problem for Lebanon is that it never got rid of this religious factionalism. Religious differences are superficial. The real political differences between people are along class lines. (How's that for a left answer, Virus? ) Get rid of those backward religious divisions and you also largely get rid of foreign meddling, especially by a theocracy as Iran.

Jeezus Bleeding Christ!

Doesn't it ever occur to you that things that are true to you are not universal truths?

The religious differences are important to them. That they're not important to you is immaterial.

 

[Toontown]

If you know the REAL history, then you'll find that Hariri's assasination was plotted by Zionists as far back as the 1880s. Forcing Hizbullah to assasinate Hariri under orders from Iran is merely the centuries-long Zionist plot working as planned.

Damn. Those Zionists are good. Perhaps the better part of valor would be to go ahead and surrender to them, and get it over with. Surely the Zionists will be merciful. After all, they haven't eradicated the Palestinians.

 

[Virus]

Maybe he's just upset that the terrorists he's been supporting are probably going to be indicted for murdering the Prime Minister and 23 innocent bystanders, unraveling a decade of carefully laid propaganda and PR to woo Western "progressives" and "radicals". If I was supporting Islamist terrorists who were about to be exposed for what they really were, I'd be looking for obfuscations to bury the issue too.

But if you're already a Truther, and not limited by facts and reality, why not just invent whatever you want and say World Jewry in alliance with the Freemasons and Illuminati assassinated Hariri. Makes for a more interesting story than some gangster regime ordering a hit.

 

[UWdude]

I will repeat the auditing question: How is knowing the complete history of Lebanon a prerequisite to participating in a thread about a U.N. investigation into the assassination of Hariri?

Will the results of the investigation be incomprehensible to me unless I know the complete history of Lebanon?

Right now, you are saying that it is obvious hezbollah did it, and that Hezbollah is Syrias storng ally. This belies the fact that you do not know the history of Hezbollah and Syria.

And all initial indications were Syria was behind the assassination of Hariri, not Hezbollah.

If you know the REAL history, then you'll find that Hariri's assasination was plotted by Zionists as far back as the 1880s. Forcing Hizbullah to assasinate Hariri under orders from Iran is merely the centuries-long Zionist plot working as planned.

So um, what books have you read on the history of Lebanon again? You seem to keep dodging the question.

Oh, and these attempts to paint me as some rabid Nazi that thinks the jews were behind it is complete and utter nonsense and uncalled for. For one, I challenge you to find anywhere where I said the "j00s" were behind anything.

It's just the childish braying of ignorant people who cannot admit they don't even deserve to be discussing the topic.

In essense, these are your arguments:

Y-net says the UN found Hezbollah behind the assassinations. Therefore, Hezbollah was behind the assassinations, because Hezbollah is Syrias big ally.

When this view is challenged, you resort to either:

1: Ha ha, you think the j00s did it!! LoL OMG it's a conspiracy!!! LoL
2. oh yeah, well, *You* are a truther!
3. What does history have to do with anything? (This is my favorite, an appeal to ignorance)

As you can see, all of these are dodges or attempts to stay ignorant.

It's pathetic.

I don't know if the lot of you actually think you are somehow masking your ignorance with your blatant strawmen and ad hominems and appeals to ignorance, but you are just embarassing yourselves. The best thing to do right now would be to
a: walk away
b: walk away, educate yourself, and then come back when you have evidence that fits your point of view or
c: walk away, educate yourself, and come back with whatever enlightenment your education has brought you


What is quite amazing, is the three of you refuse either of these options, and would rather just keep putting on a dog and pony show, while trying to convince me it as an opera.

It is obvious you three are ignorant, and all the cliche tricks and stupid put-downs and dumb attempts to paint me into a corner are not going to hide it.

Maybe ....

probably.. perhaps... maybe.. if you grasp at more straws, you will finally be educated. Way better than reading.

 

[Virus]

Israeli culture is superior to Iranian, as of this moment.

But compared to the USA and Western Europe, Israel is at the bottom of the barrel. Israel is truly and utterly inferior to these countries.

Ha. Thunder judges and ranks cultures but when I do it there's outraaaage about the raaaaacism!

It's now obvious that you were just going ape for the sake of it.

 

[Virus]

UWDude, there's a few outstanding claims you failed to address.

a) Hezbollah are not allied with Syria, as per the US State Department's assessment;

the Syrian government provided diplomatic, political and material support to Hizballah in Lebanon and allowed Iran to supply this organization with weapons. Weapons flow from Iran through Syria, and directly from Syria, to Hizballah despite UN Security Council resolution 1701 of 2006, which imposes an arms embargo on Lebanon except with the consent of the Lebanese government. Indeed, Hizballah claims to have a larger arsenal today than it did in 2006. Underscoring links between the Syrian government and Hizballah, Israeli naval commandos intercepted a large cache of arms on November 3 on its way from Iran to Hizballah by way of the Syrian port of Latakia. The arms shipment, which was found amidst civilian cargo on the Antiguan-flagged ship MV Francop, weighed over 500 tons. While the Syrian government denied involvement in the shipment, Israeli officials stressed that the incident illustrates Syria’s continued efforts to fight a proxy war with Israel through terrorist groups like Hizballah

b) Israel and Syria were allies during the Lebanese Civil War.

Prediction: Rather than backing up these claims in a couple of short paragraphs you continue to expend time and energy on walls of text to conceal the fact that you can't.

 

[WildCat]

So um, what books have you read on the history of Lebanon again? You seem to keep dodging the question.

Hey professor, weren't you supposed to explain how Israel and Syria were allies, even as you desperately deny that Hizbullah is a client of Syria?

Oh, and these attempts to paint me as some rabid Nazi that thinks the jews were behind it is complete and utter nonsense and uncalled for. For one, I challenge you to find anywhere where I said the "j00s" were behind anything.

The entire truth movement was spawned by anti-semites and is still rife with them today. Isn't Alex Jones a biggie in your movement? Every single NWO conspiracy/federal reserve/banking conspiracy is all just recycled anti-semitic BS from a century ago.

Anyways, seeing as you seem to be admitting that Syria is at least involved it seems possible to me you're trying to claim that Israel and Syria are allies and thus Israel is to blame.

As you have so far refused to explain any of your assertions I can only speculate on your motives. Maybe you shoulod explain yourself, instead of yapping about all these books you read?

 

[a_unique_person]

They'll yawn and start yet another thread on the mossad passport forgeries.

When has Fool indicated he is pro Hezbollah?

 

[Toontown]

Right now, you are saying that it is obvious hezbollah did it, and that Hezbollah is Syrias storng ally. This belies the fact that you do not know the history of Hezbollah and Syria.

Clearly you have read a book about the civil war in Lebanon. We get that. And that's why you are trying to make the thread be about the civil war in Lebanon. Because you read a book about it.

Except the thread is not about the civil war in Lebanon. The thread is about a U.N. report on the assassination of Hariri, which you don't seem to want to talk about. At least not until you have made us quietly swallow your red herring about Israel and Syria being allies in the civil war you want to talk about. Which naturally leads to questions about your motive in irrelevantly trying to make Israel and Syria look like the Two Musketeers. This looks like a typical conspiracy hack trick, the object of which would be to indirectly connect Israel to one of the guilty parties, thereby creating an aura of Israeli guilt by implied association. Otherwise, your continuous harping on the civil war and your claimed alliance between Israel and Syria makes no sense whatsoever. You know, the U.S. and the Soviet Union never actually came to blows, even though both were involved in conflicts around the globe. But that in no wise implies the two antagonists were somehow allied. So I do hope that's not the boat you plan to float. Because that would be raked from stem to stern.

3. What does history have to do with anything? (This is my favorite, an appeal to ignorance)

History has a great deal to do with some issues, but the undoubtedly gripping saga of civil war in Lebanon has little if anything to do with establishing who was involved in the killing of Hariri. What are you doing, exactly? Are you trying to establish motive? NEWS FLASH! The investigation has apparently been concluded, without the benefit of your detective work. You should have offered your services years ago, when the investigation started.

 

[Doctor Evil]

Digging this up due to news from Lebanon. A car bomb killed at least eight people in Beirut today. It looks like the target was a Lebanese official who was involved in the investigation which implicated Hezbollah in the Hariri murder:

A huge car bomb exploded in a street in central Beirut during rush hour on Friday, killing at least eight people and wounding 78, witnesses and security sources said.
Lebanese officials confirmed that Wissam al-Hassan, a senior Lebanese intelligence official, was among those killed in the bombing. "Wissam al-Hassan was the target of the deadly blast and he was killed in the blast," a security source said.



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He led the investigation that implicated Syria and Hezbollah in the killing of former Prime Minister Rafik al-Hariri in a 2005 bomb attack. He also recently led an operation that uncovered a bomb plot, leading to the arrest of a Lebanese politician known as an Assad ally.

 

[Polaris]

Digging this up due to news from Lebanon. A car bomb killed at least eight people in Beirut today. It looks like the target was a Lebanese official who was involved in the investigation which implicated Hezbollah in the Hariri murder:

So Assad wasn't satisfied killing people in only two countries...

 

[WildCat]

So Assad wasn't satisfied killing people in only two countries...

You mean Hezbollah?

 

[dudalb]

But not to worry, Lebanon's Government has it's prorities in order:

http://www.eonline.com/news/355538/..._medium=rssfeeds&utm_campaign=imdb_topstories

This is too freaking funny. Reminds me of Big Bill Thompson, the Mayor of Chicago ,who attacked out of town newspapers for giving Chicago a bad name during the height of the Al Capone era.

 

[Polaris]

You mean Hezbollah?

In the case of Hariri, Hezbollah was doing Damascus' bidding. Hezbollah is only the tool of Assad at least in this case.

 

[WildCat]

In the case of Hariri, Hezbollah was doing Damascus' bidding. Hezbollah is only the tool of Assad at least in this case.

When Assad goes Hezbollah will still be around, doing the same things.

Lebanon will never know peace so long as they harbor a terrorist army masquerading as a political party.

 

[Polaris]

When Assad goes Hezbollah will still be around, doing the same things.

Lebanon will never know peace so long as they harbor a terrorist army masquerading as a political party.

And when Assad goes (hopefully soon) Tehran will have to pick up the slack for the Syrian vacuum. Unless the Iranians stretch the bastards first.

 

[Eddie Dane]

It's very interesting to think what would happen if Assad falls.

The new government of Syria will be Sunni and won't be giving the same support to a Shiite militia in a predominantly Sunni country, unless out of spite towards Israel, but I doubt that.

Would a weakened Hezbollah prompt military action from the Lebanese army, Israel or both?

Or would they accept that Hezbollah controls the south, but will be to weak to influence things much outside that area?

Or the Lebanese might pressure them to finally lay down their arms and become a political party.

 

[Polaris]

It's very interesting to think what would happen if Assad falls.

The new government of Syria will be Sunni and won't be giving the same support to a Shiite militia in a predominantly Sunni country, unless out of spite towards Israel, but I doubt that.

Would a weakened Hezbollah prompt military action from the Lebanese army, Israel or both?

Or would they accept that Hezbollah controls the south, but will be to weak to influence things much outside that area?

Or the Lebanese might pressure them to finally lay down their arms and become a political party.

The thought of a joint operation between the IDF and the Lebanese army to annihilate Hezbollah is almost too bizarre to entertain... But I'll allow myself the pleasant fantasy for a moment.

 

[MaGZ]

The thought of a joint operation between the IDF and the Lebanese army to annihilate Hezbollah is almost too bizarre to entertain... But I'll allow myself the pleasant fantasy for a moment.

How far into Lebanon did Israel make it last time?
The Israeli Army is not what it used to be.

 

[Polaris]

How far into Lebanon did Israel make it last time?
The Israeli Army is not what it used to be.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fantasy?s=t

fan·ta·sy
[fan-tuh-see, -zee] Show IPA noun, plural fan·ta·sies, verb, fan·ta·sied, fan·ta·sy·ing.
noun
1.
imagination, especially when extravagant and unrestrained.
2.
the forming of mental images, especially wondrous or strange fancies; imaginative conceptualizing.
3.
a mental image, especially when unreal or fantastic; vision: a nightmare fantasy.
4.
Psychology . an imagined or conjured up sequence fulfilling a psychological need; daydream.
5.
a hallucination.