Why Europe Hates israel

zenith-nadir said:
In 1998 Sharon was not the policy maker of the Israeli government, nor was he even Prime Minister...
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and he should never have become a Prime Minister of Israel given his agenda in breach of Article 49.

After he became Prime Minister of Israel he effectively breaches Article 49 by subsidizing the transfer of Israelis in occupied territories.
 
Kodiak said:

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I posted in this thread that Israel signed in U.N. the Article 49, didn't I?

Gee, is this thread too hard for you to follow?
 
DanishDynamite said:
Kodiak, me favorite right wing nut, ho
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Call me cynical, but when Europe crowns israel with the title "the greatest theat to world peace", as said in the links he posted, that's a bit of a sign right there.

So is the continual support, to the amount of whundreds of millions of Euros, of a the murderous terrorist entity known as the "Palestinian Authority" whose goal is israel's destruction in stages.

That's for starters. Want more examples?

By the way, calling someone a "right wing nut" doesn't make it so. It's merely "victory by assertion": after all, surely you don't imagine a "right wing nut" can be CORRECT about something, right?
 
Skeptic said:
Call me cynical, but when Europe crowns israel with the title "the greatest theat to world peace", as said in the links he posted, that's a bit of a sign right there.
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You are beyond cynical. And the poll provides no sign at all as to the question at hand.

So is the continual support, to the amount of whundreds of millions of Euros, of a the murderous terrorist entity known as the "Palestinian Authority" whose goal is israel's destruction in stages.
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It is my understanding that the US participates as well in the funding of the PA. What of it?
That's for starters. Want more examples?
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More examples of what?
By the way, calling someone a "right wing nut" doesn't make it so. It's merely "victory by assertion": after all, surely you don't imagine a "right wing nut" can be CORRECT about something, right?
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It was a term of indearment specifically meant for Kodiak. You wouldn't understand.
 
DanishDynamite said:
Kodiak, me favorite right wing nut, how do the above links show that Europe hates Israel?

In other words, how does an opinion poll on which trouble spots on the Earth have the greatest potential for disrupting world peace, have to do with showing how the Europeans hate Israel?
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Good point.

I never drew any of the conclusions that you assume about the links I provided. I posted them in response to a very specific request for cited information regarding the public and media opinions of Europeans regarding Israel.

The links I posted are but a minute sample of the articles and websites I found.

I did not, however draw the conclusion that you imply, though scientific polling is a technique commonly used to gauge where a population sits in regard to an issue.
 
Kodiak said:
Good point.

I never drew any of the conclusions that you assume about the links I provided. I posted them in response to a very specific request for cited information regarding the public and media opinions of Europeans regarding Israel.

The links I posted are but a minute sample of the articles and websites I found.

I did not, however draw the conclusion that you imply, though scientific polling is a technique commonly used to gauge where a population sits in regard to an issue.
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Tsk, tsk. :)

Kodiak, I love you too much to show the series of events which made you post those links as evidence of something more than what you state in your post.

I just hope you feel slightly chastied. :)
 
DanishDynamite said:
It was a term of indearment (sic) specifically meant for Kodiak. You wouldn't understand.
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DD is on a short list of JREF "lefties" I admire and have a genuine liking for. Tricky also comes to mind right now...
 
Kodiak said:
DD is on a short list of JREF "lefties" I admire and have a genuine liking for. Tricky also comes to mind right now...
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As Kodiak knows, the feeling is mutual.

I guess it has to do with the many, many years of mutual interaction.

Now, don't get me wrong. Kodiak is almost always wrong in his opinions. He does however have something I like, i.e integrity.:)
 
DanishDynamite said:
Tsk, tsk. :)

Kodiak, I love you too much to show the series of events which made you post those links as evidence of something more than what you state in your post.

I just hope you feel slightly chastied. :)
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If you want me to concede that no public opinion polls exist that suggest Europeans hate Israel, I can do that.

Maybe "hate" is too strong? Could the distinction be as simple as Europe and the US having a basic disagreement about who is more the "bad guy" when it comes to Israel and the PA?

Would the EU support Israel more if the US was not such a staunch supporter/defender of Israel?
 
DanishDynamite said:
Now, don't get me wrong. Kodiak is almost always wrong in his opinions.
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Ya gotta love those typically European delusions of grandeur... ;)
 
Originally posted by Kodiak If you want me to concede that no public opinion polls exist that suggest Europeans hate Israel, I can do that.

Maybe "hate" is too strong? Could the distinction be as simple as Europe and the US having a basic disagreement about who is more the "bad guy" when it comes to Israel and the PA?
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Yes. I think that is exactly the case.

I don't generally feel comfortable with extremist viewpoints or extremest words such as "hate". They seem anachronistic and old-fashioned.
Would the EU support Israel more if the US was not such a staunch supporter/defender of Israel?
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Honestly, I don't know. I expect a number of people might be influenced by a moderation of the rhetoric coming from the US. I would be one.
 
Kodiak said:
Would the EU support Israel more if the US was not such a staunch supporter/defender of Israel?
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Europe's issues with Israel and America can really be boiled down to two attributes: guilt and arrogance.
 
Hutch said:
I try to avoid ME threads these days, but reading this one I have to chime in. AUP, Ion and armageddon have asked again and again and again why the wall has not been built on and within Internationally recognized borders of Israel, rather that in a convoluted pattern over territory that has not been formally annexed or considered part of Israel, even by that Government?

Zig tried to address it, but got distracted into an anti-UN rant. Still waiting to read a good reply.
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What internationally agreed borders? Oslo Accord? Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians have kept the promises of any of the rest of the Oslo Accord, so why should they keep the green line?

Looking at the map of Israel with the eyes of a child, one can easily see that it is not an Israeli occupation of Arab land, but an Arab occupation of Israeli land that makes up what we call West Bank and Gaza strip, yet it is constantly referred to as an "Israeli occupation".

How many other countries would allow the creation of a separate nation within the borders of their soverign nation? It is a deliberate and pre-meditated recipe for war.

I don't know of a peaceful solution to this problem, nor does anyone else. It is as though the Isrealis and Palestinians have been set up for disaster from the very beginning by both the US and the UN.

You don't like the monster we have created? I don't know what to tell you then, Dr. Frankenstein.
 
peptoabysmal said:
Looking at the map of Israel with the eyes of a child, one can easily see that it is not an Israeli occupation of Arab land, but an Arab occupation of Israeli land that makes up what we call West Bank and Gaza strip, yet it is constantly referred to as an "Israeli occupation".

How many other countries would allow the creation of a separate nation within the borders of their soverign nation? It is a deliberate and pre-meditated recipe for war.
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Well Alaska is on the other side of Canada, sepaarte from the continental US. No need to go to war with Canada.
 
peptoabysmal said:

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Looking at the map of Israel with the eyes of a child, one can easily see that it is not an Israeli occupation of Arab land, but an Arab occupation of Israeli land that makes up what we call West Bank and Gaza strip, yet it is constantly referred to as an "Israeli occupation".
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You know why?

Because it's an Israeli occupation of Jordanian land that Jordan gave to PLO.
 
Kodiak said:
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I fail to see how this justifies the stance that "Europe hates Israel". Could you please explain?

I am European, I don't hate Israel. Do you equate criticism with hate? Somehow I get the impression that whenever Israel is being criticised, for what reason there may be, there will always be people who shout "X hates Israel" with X being the person/group that expresses the criticism and thus will conveniently deviate from the criticism itself.

Do you think people only criticise Israel because they hate Israel or will you agree that criticism of Israel can be justified?
 
Originally posted by armageddonman
Since the 1967 border is from 1967, why did Israel not annex the territories back then?
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Do you think they should have? Previously you asked why they didn't naturalize the people. Do you think they should have annexed the land without naturalizing the people?

Originally posted by armageddonman
And why does the Israeli Supreme Court call these terrotories "occupied" if they are not occupied according to you?
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What significance do you attach to it?
 
zenith-nadir said:
Gotta give it to Ion, if you can't baffle them with brains baffle them with bulls**t.
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Knowledge is power, power corrupts...
 
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