Why don't you believe in Hell?

[monkboon]

man, do I want in that book

Who's Who in Hell

 

[monkboon]

oops - misread that you wanted that book, not that you wanted in it.

 

[Operaider]

oops - misread that you wanted that book, not that you wanted in it.

I want both

 

[monkboon]

I want both

Testify, brother. or, sister. Sorry, don't know which, and for some reason, without knowing, the vague tent revival reference just seems inappropriate.

 

[monkboon]

Uh, is 1inX off looking for the references I asked for? 'Cuz I gotta tell ya, I'm getting sleepy here. It's 2 in the morning, and I've got work in a few hours to get to.

 

[Operaider]

I think he flaked on us

And its Mr. Operaider

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Uh, is 1inX off looking for the references I asked for? 'Cuz I gotta tell ya, I'm getting sleepy here. It's 2 in the morning, and I've got work in a few hours to get to.

1inC may very well have abandoned this thread. Have no fear, he'll start a new one tomorrow. I'm hoping it's "Atheism: Scourge or Menace?"

 

[Operaider]

He does start a new thread everyday, doesn't he?

I was begining to think it was just me. But I'm glad to see that someone else noticed it. They all seem to be relativly the same too. It always starts with "Would you believe in Jesus if {insert impossible occurrence here}"

 

[monkboon]

I think he flaked on us

And its Mr. Operaider

He flaked alright, but that was long ago.

Well, brother Operaider, I'm off to sleep. Pleased to meet you, sorry to rush off, yada, etc.

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Occasionally, he'll miss a day. But he usually makes up for it by doubling up on his return. Ah well, I'm off to fellowship with ol' Morpheus.

 

[Operaider]

No prob, see ya tomarrow

 

[1inChrist]

Nevermind I was wrong Maurice Rawlings was never a part of American Atheists.

 

[RamblingOnwards]

1inChrist,

since there are so many variants on the fundamentalist theme, it must be your duty to let us know the correct version, correct? To help you with this, I'll provide a quick summary of beliefs so that you can correct it (I'll stick to King James since you've already expressed your views on that one).

The history as put forward in the old testament is literally true. Some things can be inferred - for instance, that Noah's sons already had wives, and that God permitted incest during that time, and that animals NOT mentioned as entering the ark nevertheless did.

The laws ordered at that time by God no longer neccesarily apply since the birth of Jesus. Of the commandments explicitly stated in Leviticus 19, we can ignore the ones that are clearly inappropriate:
lev 19 :19

thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee

In addition, not all strictures in the new testament have to be taken literally:
1 corinthians 11 : 5-6

5. But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1 corinthians 7:10

And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:

God will guide you audibly. Satan may try to trick you, but if you call out Jesus's name he will be thwarted (I couldn't find a supporting quote - where does it say this?)

I'm lost as to what you believe get's you into heaven and what condemns you to hell, so this bit you have to write from scratch, but here are a few quotes to play with:

Luke 10:25-28

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.

Romans 10:8

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

On the nature of hell - Satan dwells there, and not on earth or heaven as he did before Christ:
Job 1:6-7

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

The various original Hebrew, Aramiac, etc., texts were correctly compiled over the course of three hundred years to include, say, Acts, but not, say, Revelation by Peter, and translated into various latin versions. These were translated into english in the Bishop's Bible, and into Greek in Erasmus Text. Taking both of these as a base, but inspired by God, the King James more correctly conveys the original word of God that any previous manuscript.

Thank you for taking the time to explain your beliefs.

(edited for misplaced tags)

 

[TragicMonkey]

Why do you reject that when you die that you will go to Hell and be punished forever?

I have never heard an atheist clearly explain why they don't believe in Hell.

Lol. Hilarious. Are you really unable to grasp that if one doesn't believe in God, all the beliefs that hinge on the existence of God fall apart too? Or do you think there are people who don't believe in God, but DO believe in Hell, or the Immaculate Conception, or the miracle of the wine at the wedding at Cana?

I think the fact that you ask such a question suggests that you yourself choose your beliefs like picking up items at a cafeteria. You make no attempt to link the beliefs together in a rational construct, because you simply do not think about them. That's why you cannot understand that an atheist, by rejecting the first premise ("God exists") would automatically reject all the contingent beliefs. The atheist, in other words, wouldn't enter the cafeteria at all. Wondering which dish he would select is pointless.

 

[Lisa Simpson]

Nevermind I was wrong Maurice Rawlings was never a part of American Atheists.

It doesn't really matter if Dr. Rawlings was a member of American Atheists or not. The points is--did other doctors or scientists verify his initial observation? The answer would be NO. So his "proof" is not proof at all, but merely an anecdote.

Next.

 

[The GM]

1 corinthians 7:10
quote:
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And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
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Hey, thanks for looking that up. I turned in early last night (around page 8 of this thread).

So, 1inC, once again, is momma going to Hell for blatently disobeying the Good Book and running off for 26 years to mission without her husband?

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Nevermind I was wrong Maurice Rawlings was never a part of American Atheists.

I give you points for admitting you were wrong. But see Lisa's response. This point was always irrelevant, at best.

 

[alfaniner]

Oh, but there's fire fishing, fire skiing, fire swimming, picnics by the fire, lots to do.

And I bet there's always S'mores... (of course with the burned, crusty marshmallows, not the golden, toasted ones).

 

[Gastric ReFlux]

I win because I waited the longest. Thanks for debating.

 

[sackett]

A little bullying

Reading this thread and watching it grow, I start to have the same feelings I recall from the playground when Us Kids had a victim to torment. The victim (usually a boy, sometimes a girl) was always an outcast, homely, poor, weak, not too bright, and readily bewildered by teasing -- in other words, easy to pick on. Did I pity the victim? Yes, usually. Did I also participate in the hazing? Yes, fairly often; after all, it was safe and it was shameful fun. Did I think it was a pretty sight? Nope, never; I'll give my child self that much credit.

So now we have OneinKee-rist! out on the playground and no teachers to intervene. Who's going to shove him next? Let me tell you, I'm as tempted as anybody. Especially when I read this very Christian message:

" . . . yes you will be in ETERNAL PAIN. The laws of Hell are not the same as the laws of Earth. You will eternally swim in the Lake of Fire. That's it. Imagine in GIGANTIC ocean of LAVA. That's exactly what Hell will be like and it will hurt FOREVER AND EVER there shall be no rest for the wicked."