Merged Why does Trump lie about EVERYTHING?/Commander in Cheat

xjx388 said:
Trump lies because it works for him - here and now. It suits his purpose and his purpose is usally to make himself look good, because he is a narcissist.
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FTFY. I can recommend the article that Bob001 linked to in the thread about Trump's dangerous mental illness:

Bob001 said:
And another by a shrink:
https://medium.com/@vgwcct/a-duty-t...g-the-diagnosis-of-the-president-371354142a02
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It explains
1) what makes Trump a psychopath instead of a narcissist. It also explains why the difference is important.
2) how he lies without considering the long-term (sometimes just a couple of minutes) effect of his lies. It doesn't really make him look good to lie about things that are easily revealed to be lies: the number of people at his inauguration, the availability of coronavirus tests, the allegede beneficial effects of hydroxychloroquine and bleach, having the virus under control. When his pandemic advisers have to correct the lies he spreads only minutes after he has told them, it becomes obvious to a majority of Americans that he is lying. Some of them - fewer and fewer, apparently - don't seem to mind, but the majority are made aware of the fact that he is a liar who can't even stop lying when his lies are easy to expose as such, and that doesn't really work for him.
 
xjx388 said:
Pretty simple actually and we don't need to invoke "mental illness," to explain it.
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That's irrelevant to whether or not he is actually mentally ill. It's also irrelevant to whether or not some given psychologist feels a duty to warn over his mental illness.
 
theprestige said:
I don't think the thread makes any sense with a non-literal interpretation of "everything."

Trump lies about some things? Okay, I can see that. But then you have a thread asking, "why does Trump lie about some things?"

Which, okay, valid question. But you'd have to look at the specific things you think he's lying about, and answer the question on a case by case basis. He lies about this thing for this reason. He lies about that thing for that reason. Etc.

And that's not the way the people answering the question seem to be interpreting it. All the answers are blanket answers for a blanket scenario.

So I think the question that was asked, and the answers given, are all based on a literal use of "everything".
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Since my previous response to this got removed, I'd like to resubmit an amended (to fall under MA guidelines) response:

This is like responding to the question, "Why do the oceans contain all of the world's water", and you respond, "Well, they don't contain all the world's water, so what you're really asking is 'Why do the oceans contain some of the world's water?'"

While your side comments are accurate, you've completely changed the intent of the original question. You present a straw man variation in its place (everybody lies "about some things", your presentation completely misses the original issue: Frequency of Trump's lies).

Also, your presentation changes it in another way: It's absolutely not the same to answer the question on a case by case basis. While he may have an individual reason for each individual lie (I doubt it; I agree with xjx that he generally lies to make himself look good), exploring those lies on an individual basis still does not capture the original question of frequency--Knowing why he told each lie is independent from knowing why he tells so many. It's a completely different question; why did you feel the need to change the question so dramatically, hmm?

And while you, yourself may disagree with notion that Trump lies an inordinate amount of time compared to your average politician/businessman/human being, you're still being disingenuous and misrepresentative in this post by changing the nature of the argument presented by someone else--AKA Straw Man.
 
A somewhat related question to the one in the OP, why does Trump keep getting a free pass with his unending childish taunts. This moron openly calls his opponents "sleepy", and "crooked", and worse, yet his opponents don't call him 'Trump the chump', or describe him as a fat despicable entirely repulsive creature, or a semi-literate and mostly incoherent intellectual midget, or suchlike.

Why this restraint? Is it because his opponents are not, unlike Trump, low-lifes? Should they, perhaps, change gears, and start stooping to the orange buffoon's level? (They seem to have started trying, of late, but far too self-consciously and tentatively to be really effective. It takes practice, I guess, to be an effective anal orifice -- of course, it works best when, like Trump, one is born that way, and when has nothing of substance in their head).
 
Chanakya said:
A somewhat related question to the one in the OP, why does Trump keep getting a free pass with his unending childish taunts. This moron openly calls his opponents "sleepy", and "crooked", and worse, yet his opponents don't call him 'Trump the chump', or describe him as a fat despicable entirely repulsive creature, or a semi-literate and mostly incoherent intellectual midget, or suchlike.

Why this restraint? Is it because his opponents are not, unlike Trump, low-lifes? Should they, perhaps, change gears, and start stooping to the orange buffoon's level? (They seem to have started trying, of late, but far too self-consciously and tentatively to be really effective. It takes practice, I guess, to be an effective anal orifice -- of course, it works best when, like Trump, one is born that way, and when has nothing of substance in their head).
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I'm hoping he uses that during the inevitable debates. "Ahhh, Sleepy Joe...!"

Then VP Biden should call him out for being so childish.
 
alfaniner said:
I'm hoping he uses that during the inevitable debates. "Ahhh, Sleepy Joe...!"

Then VP Biden should call him out for being so childish.
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Much too milquetoast, even if that did play out. Which is my point.

Trump brawls* with no holds barred, and his opponents invariably go Quuensbury with him, with the inevitable result that the best man does NOT win in the ensuing scuffle.



* Only with words and debate (or what passes for debate with this dribbling imbecile). In a real fight I'll wager this draft-dodger would turn up his yelloww tail and waddle off on his flat feet as he could.
 
Chanakya said:
A somewhat related question to the one in the OP, why does Trump keep getting a free pass with his unending childish taunts. This moron openly calls his opponents "sleepy", and "crooked", and worse, yet his opponents don't call him 'Trump the chump', or describe him as a fat despicable entirely repulsive creature, or a semi-literate and mostly incoherent intellectual midget, or suchlike.
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Not specific enough to Trump. I'd just keep hammering him with something like "fake billionaire".
 
dann said:
FTFY.
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Can you name a time in Trump's life when it hasn't worked for him? His shady salesman persona worked brilliantly for him in his business life. It just sucks as a Presidential persona. I knew that, you knew that but too many voters were taken in.

I can recommend the article that Bob001 linked to in the thread about Trump's dangerous mental illness . . .
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No thanks. I've pretty much put that thread to bed as it is, said all I really have to say on the subject -anything else I have to say about it will be in that thread. I think "mental illness" is non-responsive and dismissive as an answer to "Why does Trump lie so much," (as well as "Why Trump sucks in general") but you guys are free to disagree to your heart's content.
 
xjx388 said:
Can you name a time in Trump's life when it hasn't worked for him? His shady salesman persona worked brilliantly for him in his business life. It just sucks as a Presidential persona. I knew that, you knew that but too many voters were taken in.
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Not really, remember he isn't a successful businessman, he just plays one on TV.
 
Chanakya said:
A somewhat related question to the one in the OP, why does Trump keep getting a free pass with his unending childish taunts. This moron openly calls his opponents "sleepy", and "crooked", and worse, yet his opponents don't call him 'Trump the chump', or describe him as a fat despicable entirely repulsive creature, or a semi-literate and mostly incoherent intellectual midget, or suchlike.

Why this restraint? Is it because his opponents are not, unlike Trump, low-lifes? Should they, perhaps, change gears, and start stooping to the orange buffoon's level? (They seem to have started trying, of late, but far too self-consciously and tentatively to be really effective. It takes practice, I guess, to be an effective anal orifice -- of course, it works best when, like Trump, one is born that way, and when has nothing of substance in their head).
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Because they're not childish, petty, vindictive bullies like Trump is?
 
Chanakya said:
Much too milquetoast, even if that did play out. Which is my point.

Trump brawls* with no holds barred, and his opponents invariably go Quuensbury with him, with the inevitable result that the best man does NOT win in the ensuing scuffle.



* Only with words and debate (or what passes for debate with this dribbling imbecile). In a real fight I'll wager this draft-dodger would turn up his yelloww tail and waddle off on his flat feet as he could.
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Trump hates being belittled and mocked. The best way to do that is not to call him names which would make Biden appear equally bad, but to have some well prepared cutting but clever remarks prepared. For example, Biden could look at him and say something like, "Would Melania's Be Best program approve of that?" or "Is that the kind of behavior you learned in church?"

ETA: Mocking him shows disdain and Trump couldn't handle that. He'd go ballistic and lose it making himself look even worse.
 
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xjx388 said:
Can you name a time in Trump's life when it hasn't worked for him? His shady salesman persona worked brilliantly for him in his business life.
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No it doesn't. He's lost money hand over fist. If his daddy wasn't filthy rich he'd have bottomed out and been a used car salesman by now. He's lost everything and been bailed out over and over, first by his daddy and then by forces using him for money laundering. For all his bluster and insults, one of the few people he's never said a single harsh word about is Vladimir Putin. Putin owns him. That's not brilliant business.
 
Democrats have "had Trump's number" since before he took office and we're constantly getting told of how he is and/or is going to any second start "breaking down behind the scenes."

The idea that the Democrats are "getting to Trump" is a dangerous assumption.
 
JoeMorgue said:
It's all done for the same reason, trolling.
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Bingo

Since it is trolling and the best way to defeat trolls is just ignore them, I have been just ignoring Trumps words. They are meaningless anyway, so no harm in ignoring the words. Unfortunately his actions can't be ignored, and that has got me spitting mad.:mad:

It's a damn shame the Republican party didn't just ignore Trump when he decided to flip parties in the first place. The guy is unfit for any leadership position. He considers himself a ruler, and not a public servant. The very concept that we somehow elected a ruler instead of a public servant is making blood boil.

And no I am not some pantywaist pseudo-Marxist leftist like so many commentators at ISF. My natural support has always gone to either Libertarians or Republicans my entire life. But no way in hell am I voting for that *******.:mad:
 
You can't ignore Trump anymore than George Floyd could ignore the cop kneeling on his neck.

He's a troll in the mentality, but not in the "Harmless because he's only online" way.

We're ignore Trump and he's gonna nuke Luxembourg or something. He WILL get his attention, one way or another.
 
Beelzebuddy said:
No it doesn't. He's lost money hand over fist. If his daddy wasn't filthy rich he'd have bottomed out and been a used car salesman by now. He's lost everything and been bailed out over and over, first by his daddy and then by forces using him for money laundering. For all his bluster and insults, one of the few people he's never said a single harsh word about is Vladimir Putin. Putin owns him. That's not brilliant business.
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Doesn't matter. The fact remains that, if nothing else, he and his personality built the Trump name into something that generated money all on it's own. He parlayed it into licensing deals, a popular TV show and the US Presidency. Even if the image is all myth and he is worth far less than he says he is, the lying still works for him. That part of it was and is pretty brilliant, even if it's a twisted kind of brilliance.
 
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