Merged Why does Trump lie about EVERYTHING?/Commander in Cheat

Skeptic Ginger said:
I did not know that it wasn't Kool Aid at Jonestown. Kool-aid Acid Test I am very familiar with.

The Atlantic 2012: Stop Saying 'Drink the Kool-Aid' - Beyond being grossly overused and conjuring a horrendous massacre, it's not even technically accurate.

Most of the article revisits what happened at Jonestown. Electric Kool-aid is only mentioned at the end.
I'm not surprised to find the reference to drinking the Kool Aid preceded Jonestown by several years. I vaguely recall drinking the Kool-aid was about LSD. I think the Jonestown explanation replaced that in my brain.
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And yet a friend of mine and I threw a tropical theme Jim Jones Party in college complete with Kool aid and pure grain alcohol and squirt guns that looked like real automatic weapons.
 
Ladewig said:
As for the thread’s topic, I posit that technically, he isn’t lying at all.

Lying requires someone knowing the truth and then attempting to deceive others by describing something other than the truth. Pres. Trump doesn’t care what the truth is. That makes him a BSer.
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And the difference is?

He just slings the bull as he sees fit.
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Sometimes he exaggerates what he thinks is the truth, but other times he knows it's a total lie and deliberately says it to deceive.

For example, Trump refuses to release his tax returns because it would prove he was lying about his net worth - a lie he created to deceive people into believing he would be a fit president. Technically it is lying if you 'care' for the truth and know it would hurt you if it came out.
 
Stacyhs said:
We use Kool Aid because who the hell as ever heard of Flavor Aid?
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You can still use Kool-aid. Just remember it's about drinking acid (LSD) laced Kool-aid and not cyanide laced Kool-aid which if you think about it makes a lot more sense anyway.

You don't drink the Kool-aid to die, you drink it to alter your reality. Or your reality is altered because you drank it.
 
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Skeptic Ginger said:
You can still use Kool-aid. Just remember it's about drinking acid (LSD) laced Kool-aid and not cyanide laced Kool-aid which if you think about it makes a lot more sense anyway.

You don't drink the Kool-aid to die, you drink it to alter your reality. Or your reality is altered because you drank it.
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Good point. Trumpers definitely live in an altered reality if they think Trump is anything more than a narcissistic, pathological liar who thinks of nothing but himself.
 
Ladewig said:
My fear is that the truth of the matter is much worse than a video with hookers. After all, President Trump could discount any video by saying “hookers? Really? Who is going to believe someone as handsome, charming, and sophisticated as myself would ever pay for it.” And his followers would lap it up.

I fear that Putin simply told him. After you leave office I am going to give you 3 square miles in downtown Moscow and I’m going to rename that area “Donald Trump City.” This POTUS is so easily played, so vain, and so greedy that blackmail isn’t necessary.
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OK - Putin has documentation of money laundering then.
 
fishbob said:
OK - Putin has documentation of money laundering then.
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The pee tape, if it exists, is something I suspect most of Trump's supporters would cheer - they'd happily pay prostitutes to pee on a bed Barack Obama slept in whilst they watched too, if they had the opportunity. Whatever Putin has on him it must surely be more than that.

As well as the evidence of money laundering for the Russian mafia, it's also been claimed Putin bought Trump's debts from the Deutsche Bank. If that's true Trump owes a lot of money to Putin personally.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
He gets called out all the time now, he simply hand waves it off. That probably happened to some extent in his past. I think his Baron persona was exposed and he laughed it off or something. His wives probably called him on lies all the time. He divorced 2 of them.

Bottom line, he's been called out. His mind erases such insults to the greatest person to ever live. :rolleyes:
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Given his history of actual physical assault against at least one wife I doubt his wives ever call him out.
 
He lies to troll libs or anyone, really, that he's annoyed with at the moment. That's why calling him out on his lies is a double-edged sword. There's always the risk that it simply amplifies the lie, or that the issue becomes about the controversy generated and not the truth of what he said in the first place.

There must be techniques to counter this dynamic but I don't know what they are. Maybe just patient, dogged attention to bringing the facts to light in a neutral, non-threatening way. Which may not be a fiery enough response for some people. What's the saying, aim to generate light, not heat?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Remember how kids will claim the most outrageous things to impress their peers?

Trump is a kid on a playground desperate to be respected by everyone, especially the Rich Kids, the Cool Kids, the Smart Kids and, of course, the Girls.
And since he isn't very good at anything, he blows himself up like a pufferfish to look more impressive.
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This. I gave a very similar answer to the same question on Quora a while ago.
 
Trump considers telling the truth a wasted opportunity - if you are more or less correct, why not exaggerate a bit?
And if you are wrong - well, there is a right against self-incrimination, isn't there?
Therefore, Trump thinks he has the right, nay the mandate to lie and gaslight.

Only weaklings tell the truth.
 
theprestige said:
I don't think the thread makes any sense with a non-literal interpretation of "everything."

Trump lies about some things? Okay, I can see that. But then you have a thread asking, "why does Trump lie about some things?"

Which, okay, valid question. But you'd have to look at the specific things you think he's lying about, and answer the question on a case by case basis. He lies about this thing for this reason. He lies about that thing for that reason. Etc.

And that's not the way the people answering the question seem to be interpreting it. All the answers are blanket answers for a blanket scenario.

So I think the question that was asked, and the answers given, are all based on a literal use of "everything".
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This hyper-literal pushback is really goofy. In the name of reasoned discourse, please consider the intent.

That said, I don't imagine there to be a great deal of variation that explains the constant stream of lies in varying contexts. Never mind "day trader", as that murderer Joe Scarborough calls him. Trump is a minute trader. Whatever glorifies him at the moment, from the standpoint of a putridly narcissistic, Cartman-like mindset.
 
Ladewig said:
I fear that Putin simply told him. After you leave office I am going to give you 3 square miles in downtown Moscow and I’m going to rename that area “Donald Trump City.” This POTUS is so easily played, so vain, and so greedy that blackmail isn’t necessary.
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Knowing Putin, he instead of land in Moscow he'd probably promise Trump a whole city of his own in Ukraine. Somewhere near Kiev maybe…
 
Trump lies because it works for him. It suits his purpose and his purpose is usally to make himself look good, because he is a narcissist. Let's take some recent "Pants on Fire" lies: "We have now Tested more than 5 Million People. That is more than any other country in the World, and even more than all major countries combined!" The goal of this is obviously to exaggerate what he has done.

His lie about "total authority?" To make himself look stronger than he actually is.

His lie about inhereting a "broken test?" To make himself look good in comparison to Obama.

He lies to make himself look good, either on his own or in comparison to his political opponents.

Pretty simple actually and we don't need to invoke "mental illness," to explain it. In the end, it doesn't really matter if he lies because he "can't control it," or he conciously chooses to do so because he is just a shady salesman. The fact is that he does it all the time and has throughout his life. Everything he does is the "best," "huge," and "beautiful." If you didn't know that about him before he was President, you have to have been living under a rock.
 
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xjx388 said:
Pretty simple actually and we don't need to invoke "mental illness," to explain it. In the end, it doesn't really matter if he lies because he "can't control it," or he conciously chooses to do so because he is just a shady salesman. The fact is that he does it all the time and has throughout his life. Everything he does is the "best," "huge," and "beautiful." If you didn't know that about him before he was President, you have to have been living under a rock.
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Yup. Just take a look at all the Clutch Cargo clips from Late Night with Conan O'Brien on Youtube. That's exactly the stuff they made fun of 10 - 15 years ago. Sure, the Trump of 2020 does sound more demented and disoriented and is even less articulate than the 2007 version, but that's just who he is and has always been.
 
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