Why does FAA/Norad animation show NoC flightpath?

PhantomWolf said:
Well of course they had to move it, I mean they couldn't have it getting messed up when the plane hit it could they....
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Hey quit it with that mocking tone! :mad: Do you have any idea how much a good lawn costs these days!?!:D
 
no one claims anyone 'moved the lawn' except johnnyclueless who is notorious for inventing claims and attributing them to legitimate claims.

got that pic of a light pole yet?
 
I don't even get what they are trying to prove. Even if the flight paths were off a little bit, somehow flight 77 didn't fly into the Pentagon? Even though a bunch of people saw it, including a pilot who described it as an American Airlines 757 to CNN that day? Even though remains found at the site were positively IDd to people know to be aboard? Even though wreckage found was consistent with an American Airlines 757? Even though the FDR was recovered? Please.

And you wonder why people think you are crazy.
 
dtugg said:
I don't even get what they are trying to prove. Even if the flight paths were off a little bit, somehow flight 77 didn't fly into the Pentagon?
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correct.

the only way the damage could be caused by flight 77 would be for it to be on the south of the citgo and never ever over the navy annex.
 
TC329 said:
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the only way the damage could be caused by flight 77 would be for it to be on the south of the citgo and never ever over the navy annex.
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Where it was seen. CIT's own witnesses saw 77 hit the Pentagon.

Look up Boger, Sean. He watched 77 hit the Pentagon. You are self debunking.

Got a single possible NoC path yet?
 
IMO, this video once again shows that PffT and CIT, or at least their treefort staff, can't think for themselves, unless you serve it to them in video format. And when you do, it's so easy to manipulate them, as they will gobble up anything that even remotely supports their cosy fantasies. Still, contrary to their truth themesong, they will NOT seek the actual truth about the presentation, but go straight to internet forums to pwn people, arrogantly thinking that it actually supports their fantasies.

TC and Turbo, RADES data has been available for months and it shows the exact same North of Cthulhu poperties as this animation. Why didn't you complain then? Uhm, strike that - why didn't you declare pwnership then? A member of such expert research teams surely knows that the last radar return in RADES data puts the plane north of Navy Annex and north of the gas station. This yellow brownish line shows the last two RADES returns associated with AAL77 (as per original data by John Farmer's FOIA requests). Looks familiar?


Why is it such a wonder that an animation, which most likely uses the same data, would also show the plane further north? The "squarish" appearance of the turn manuever also suggests that the data, which was used in the animation, wasn't continous. RADES data itself was only collected every 12 seconds (IIRC - it has been a while). That's still too fine for the animation, but what if one takes the RADES data 1 minute apart? Here's what one gets, if one takes every fifth radar return. The squarish white line shows the result. (The yellow/green stuff if AAL77's flight path from the FDR, the smaller, more zig-zaggy line is one of the flight paths from the RADES data.)


That doesn't align rigth, except for the final trajectory. But, what if the software allows arbitrary input of turning points? Something like this?


In any case, the straight final approach towards the Navy Annex suggests, that no other radar return was used during the last stage of animation. As such, the animated plane passes just to the east of the Bailey's Crossing highrise complex and flies towards the last RADES return point, which just happens to be north of the gas station. And now we have treefort minions pwning us with their well researched truth. Oh noes, what shall we do now?

Hint: TC, the radius of the last turn in the animation is about 1km. That's about a 45° bank at 200KTS. That's about 75° bank at 400KTS. The animation plane eventually crashes into the Pantagon, so it doesn't have to exceed stall speed, while your flyover fantasy plane has to. You have your partially infallible witnesses speaking of high speed planes, but where are your 70° bank witnesses?

BTW, TC, what happened with the El Kournayti and Reyes part of the CIT flight path? Even this animation doesn't support it. What gives? Did the FAA/NORAD get it wrong or did your bosses?
 
Da! Celestrin, you may have it! Roughly plotted radar points fused with improvised maneuvers. There IS that data point north, as well as one well to the south, in the 84 Rades data. I understand these are both aberrant points - non-returned request pings or something? Perhaps the last actual data point, before it dropped below, was simply fused to the NoC question mark with that swerve.

If so, sloppy job, IMO. :thumbs down:

Not that it matters except to people it provokes a spooky deja vu in... at the end of the day it's just a cartoon after all.
 
TC, can I just suggest something, get MS Flight simulator, practice at it, then try flying the same route that the hijackers took. I think you'll find its quite possible.

MS Flight sim is approved by cessna boeing learjet etc.
Though I've been told by a licenced pilot, its not as easy as flying a real airliner.
 
Of course they weren't shills. They were simply fooled by some mystical NWO slight-of-hand.

By the way, being able to cavalierly hand wave away any witness who contradicts ones theory by saying they were simply fooled into thinking they saw what they say they saw is BRILLIANT! Not only does one get to totally ignore them, but one doesn't get the unpleasant "so, do you think THEY are in on it?" questions.

Just add water, instant debate winner!
 
peteweaver said:
TC, can I just suggest something, get MS Flight simulator, practice at it, then try flying the same route that the hijackers took. I think you'll find its quite possible.

MS Flight sim is approved by cessna boeing learjet etc.
Though I've been told by a licenced pilot, its not as easy as flying a real airliner.
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dont forget to set the game to hard/simulation, not the arcade mode what is standard.......
 
TheGrunion said:
Its absolutely impossible to pull this off without the public at large (and VDOT) noticing. There's still a good amount of traffic on this road overnight. VDOT's Northern Virginia Smart Traffic Center has cameras running on this stretch of road. These cameras are monitored overnight. I believe they would have taken exception to someone destroying their poles.

The amount of people that would have realized something is wrong overnight pales in comparison to the amount that would have noticed the destroyed poles after the sunrise.

Do you have any idea how many vehicles drive on this road in the early AM? Do you have any idea how many joggers used (and still use) the sidewalk along this stretch of Route 27? Do you have any idea how many pedestrians use this sidewalk to access the Pentagon from the North Parking Lot every morning. Do you have any idea how many people access the the Pentagon South Parking Lot via Route 27 so that they can use the Pentagon Metro Station in the early morning? Are you going to hand wave these questions away?

How do they swap out the light poles? Do you know what equipment is needed? Do you know how many lanes of traffic they need to close to remove the light poles? Do you know how they would obtain the permits from VDOT in order to close down the lanes necessary to deal with the poles? Do you know how one verifies what lane closures were approved by VDOT for a given day? Are you going to hand wave these questions away?

Do you have the answers to any of my questions?

I've yet to see a truther put forth a remotely plausible scenario to support your quoted claim. Most realize that they don't have a clue about what they are talking about and don't even try.

Are you up to the challenge?
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TC329, did you miss this post? I'm surprised that you failed to respond to it. I can't believe that a classy guy like yourself would make a statement like

TC329 said:
at least 4 of them could have been done without being noticed in the middle of the night before.
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and not be prepared to defend it.
 
TC329 said:
at least 4 of them could have been done without being noticed in the middle of the night before.




no one noticed them getting ripped out of the ground thats what you're missing. cit can't find one person to say they saw that and that list includes father mcgraw, mike walter, & joel sucherman.




only the ones who claim to have actually watched it enter the building. most likely they're not lying though because they don't know what they are saying isn't true. so technically not liars.





not in the pentagon on 9/11




so are you joining our demands for a new investigation into the attacks?



how crazy do you have to be to send thousands of people off to die for a cause you know you fabricated like saddam's ties to al qaeda and massive wmd arsenal?
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Good job dodging and avoiding actually answering my questions. Also, good job making up BS about the light poles. You mean to tell me people drove down that road and missed seeing it ?

I can't post pictures yet but I am sure someone can post the huge light pole that was in the street.
 
TC329 said:
no one claims anyone 'moved the lawn' except johnnyclueless who is notorious for inventing claims and attributing them to legitimate claims.

got that pic of a light pole yet?
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TC, got those eyewitnesses to a flyover yet? What's taking you all so long?
 
Travis said:
The very first responders not only noted the smell of jet fuel but saw unmistakable plane parts, like landing gear, mere minutes after the explosion when thousands of Pentagon workers were still scrambling about. Unless these part planters were invisible, and as fast as a superhero, there is no way it could be done.

There are many anecdotes in the book Firefight all about this.
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They were planted there. You want proof....ohh, I don't have any.

Signed - Crazy
 
TC329 said:
no one claims anyone 'moved the lawn' except johnnyclueless who is notorious for inventing claims and attributing them to legitimate claims.

got that pic of a light pole yet?
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I can't see a cab in this picture. (shucks it's not in the road)


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It appears the NWO late-night evidence planting team was pretty busy the night of the 10th ;)
 
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