Why do YOU love Jesus?

[Marduk]

Equally, Christians would probably tell you that the life and teachings of Jesus taught them a huge amount about life, how to live, how to relate to other beings..etc... and almost certainly did this to an extent that no atheist/materialist figure has ever come close to.

OOooh Philosophy vs Science, I'll let you know in what way philosophy has enriched my life,
the very second I can think of an example

I may be some time
as for science, pretty much everything that I do everyday has been made better by it

"We love him, because he first loved us."

unsupported assertion

 

[wendyinthewind]

Christmas is pretty cool.

 

[154]

as for science, pretty much everything that I do everyday has been made better by it

The Apex of Science will almost be the suicide of the species.

 

[Thunder]

"We love him, because he first loved us."

that's a pretty selfish way of looking at it.

you only give love if it is provided first?

you never initiate love?

 

[Marduk]

The Apex of Science will almost be the suicide of the species.

So Elephants are almost going to kill themselves when they perfect their science
can you say something that makes sense occaisonally, I'm on the verge of calling the cops and having you committed again

If it wasn't for science, you would never have heard of Jesus, Linguistics is a scientific discipline, otherwise, the only people who would have heard of him would be a few native Aramaic speakers living around Jerusalem and they wouldn't have been able to write down what he said

 

[plumjam]

I agree, your denial of facts is rather sickening.

"I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.."
-Hitler, Mein Kampf.

"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people."
-Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922

Joobz, if you are willing to accept the word of a clearly dishonest, scheming, political animal, such as Adolf Hitler, based on his public speeches and writings... then how skeptical does that make you?

The answer is: you're skeptical when something goes against your world view, but you're completely gullible when it suits your world view.

See byndmsue's post for further information.

 

[joobz]

Joobz, if you are willing to accept the word of a clearly dishonest, scheming, political animal, such as Adolf Hitler, based on his public speeches and writings... then how skeptical does that make you?

The answer is: you're skeptical when something goes against your world view, but you're completely gullible when it suits your world view.

See byndmsue's post for further information.

I see, I'm supposed to believe only the good things about Christianity, but not the bad things.

You understand the definition of Confirmation Bias don't you?

also, do you have any comment on the Church's position about AIDS in Africa?

 

[joobz]

No, your extrapolation is not in my quoted verse or in my heart or head.

Then why did you make that argument, because that is exactly what it says.

 

[154]

Then why did you make that argument, because that is exactly what it says.

I simply quoted a relevant verse. Sue me.

 

[RoboTimbo]

The Apex of Science will almost be the suicide of the species.

You must have typed that on your bible rather than a computer keyboard.

 

[joobz]

I simply quoted a relevant verse. Sue me.

Then your relevant verse wasn't very relevant, was it?

 

[Marduk]

I simply quoted a relevant verse. Sue me.

No, you stated that you loved someone only because they loved you first

thats a pretty selfish attitude imo

 

[plumjam]

I see, I'm supposed to believe only the good things about Christianity, but not the bad things.

Who said that?
But it seems that you're eminently given to believing bad over good when the tables are turned.

You understand the definition of Confirmation Bias don't you?

This is an empty comment.

also, do you have any comment on the Church's position about AIDS in Africa?

I made no comment on that because I do not see what is the connection between the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and any particular position taken by any particular organisation, on AIDs, set up in his name by other people, two thousand years after he shuffled off, is.
If we're following your logic I would need to defend a group of mutually supportive serial killers who strangled children in the name of Jesus.

 

[plumjam]

OOooh Philosophy vs Science, I'll let you know in what way philosophy has enriched my life,
the very second I can think of an example

I may be some time

Doesn't surprise me.

 

[Marduk]

Doesn't surprise me.

Says the man who read a book full of philosophy and came out with "Neanderthals were the Annunaki"

 

[plumjam]

Says the man who read a book full of philosophy and came out with "Neanderthals were the Annunaki"

Two quite long words. Well done.

 

[noreligion]

The Apex of Science will almost be the suicide of the species.

If science is such a problem then why are you using a computer and electric lights, air conditioner or fan, refrigerator and stove, etc. Are you trying to rush the apex of science and the death of society? Damn hypocritical Christian.

 

[joobz]

Who said that?
But it seems that you're eminently given to believing bad over good when the tables are turned.

You wish to claim that Hitler didn't believe what he said. That doesn't matter as he wasn't the only one involved in the holocaust.
You do remember the slogan, "Gott mit Uns" right?

Should I start quoting Martin Luther to show the underpinnings of the Holocaust?

This is an empty comment.

It is just an observation on your argument.

I made no comment on that because I do not see what is the connection between the life and teachings of Jesus Christ and any particular position taken by any particular organisation, on AIDs, set up in his name by other people, two thousand years after he shuffled off, is.
If we're following your logic I would need to defend a group of mutually supportive serial killers who strangled children in the name of Jesus.

Are you claiming that the Roman Catholic church doesn't enact Doctrine in the Name of Jesus?

 

[eerok]

if you are willing to accept the word of a clearly dishonest, scheming, political animal, such as Adolf Hitler, based on his public speeches and writings... then how skeptical does that make you?

I can accept that Hitler used Christian rhetoric for convenience, and that this doesn't necessarily reflect badly on Christianity. That is, nothing about Christianity in particular promoted anything explicitly Nazi.

Sociopaths like Hitler (or Stalin, for that matter) leapt upon anything available to justify their crimes against humanity. It was all propoganda and complete excrement.

True, religion provides a handy button for these nasty people to push, but I don't think that's enough of a reason to condemn religion entirely. Still, many bad things can flow from religion. Science on the other hand might provide technologies to do wrong, but it does not provide a reason. This is why religion is often held culpable for the horrible actions of its followers: it provides the motive for it.

 

[Marduk]

Two quite long words. Well done.

My sincere apolgies, I was accrediting you with someone else's thread