Why do people hate Jews?

[Giggywig]

The intellectualism point doesn't make much sense because there is another point that wasn't raised so far:
The Idea of Darwin's "survival of the fittest".

Could you elaborate?

 

[Dumbledore]

Further more Dustin the analogy is based on Canada or Mexico allowing terrorists to launch missiles from there country not the other way around! Sorry to be so harsh everyone but it is very angering to have people try to paint Israel as some evil, innocent person killing country. Certainly Israel has done some bad things, they are not lily white, no country is; but they certainly do not kill innocent people purposely because they supposedly have an excuse to!

 

[bigred]

I'd hate Sammy Hagar before I hated David Lee Roth.

There goes your credibility.

 

[a_unique_person]

Further more Dustin the analogy is based on Canada or Mexico allowing terrorists to launch missiles from there country not the other way around! Sorry to be so harsh everyone but it is very angering to have people try to paint Israel as some evil, innocent person killing country. Certainly Israel has done some bad things, they are not lily white, no country is; but they certainly do not kill innocent people purposely because they supposedly have an excuse to!

I'd dispute that. Not all individuals would, by any means, but the IDF has been caught at doing just that, or recklessly killing people in actions. The English activist shot by the IDF in Gaza, the the farm workers bombed during the recent Lebanon war.

 

[blobru]

The intellectualism point doesn't make much sense because there is another point that wasn't raised so far:
The Idea of Darwin's "survival of the fittest".

The Nazis had ideas sure, lots of them, but they were really dumb ideas. Not being facetious; to suit their own ideology they warped phrases like "survival of the fittest", which just means 'adapted organisms reproduce more', into "survival of the strongest": "might makes right", where it is the duty of stronger citizens/races to eliminate weaker. This is not biological Darwinism at all, rather the Nazis' biased translation of various philosophers' sketchy understanding of it.
Intellectualism was a threat to the Nazis because their crazy ideas on society, race and destiny, like any other woo ideas, couldn't bear critical scrutiny. They made examples of so-called intellectual "degenerates" for their tragic outlook: portraying man as confused and suffering, or life as meaningless. Nazis were great believers in positive thinking, in willpower, and saw modern pessimism as a blight on the German soul. So they targeted "degenerate" intellectuals for humiliation, expulsion, censorship and book burnings (not all the works were Jewish, but they were at the forefront, and of course were blamed for having mixed degenerate Jewish thought with pure German ideals). I think in bullying intellectuals the Nazis were also exploiting the masses' mistrust of modern culture in general.

 

[robinson]

Freud, Marx, Einstein, all Jewish. Coincidence? I think not.

 

[MaGZ]

As you well know Dustin Lebanon refused to do anything about the Hezbollah operating and launching missiles from there country. Therefore following my analogy Canada would refuse to do anything as well, what would be the US response then. Please give me some other laughable reason why Israel and therefore Jews are a bloody savage people who only want an excuse to kill the innocent. P.S. If you harbor terrorists and allow them to launch attacks from your country some of your people might get killed in the cross fire, but I guess Hezbollah's plan worked, people like you get to rant about the evils of Israel and Jews with pictures, never mind the truth behind what happened!

Why do you think Israel can not do anything about the missiles raining down on them from Lebanon? They tried to take them out last year but failed. What is wrong with the Israeli military these days?

 

[a_unique_person]

As you well know Dustin Lebanon refused to do anything about the Hezbollah operating and launching missiles from there country. Therefore following my analogy Canada would refuse to do anything as well, what would be the US response then. Please give me some other laughable reason why Israel and therefore Jews are a bloody savage people who only want an excuse to kill the innocent. P.S. If you harbor terrorists and allow them to launch attacks from your country some of your people might get killed in the cross fire, but I guess Hezbollah's plan worked, people like you get to rant about the evils of Israel and Jews with pictures, never mind the truth behind what happened!

Lebanon did not 'refuse' to do anything about Hizbollah. As is clearly the case, with cabinet members being assassinated at intervals, the government of Lebanon is not capable of taking on Hizbollah directly. They are no friends of Hizbollah, nor of Libya, but are backed by the West and doing their best to maintain peace without allowing the country to revert back to the disastrous and bloody civil war that ravaged the country. One of the effects of Israel rampaging over much of the infrastructure of Lebanon was to increase the power of Hizbollah and weaken the pro-Western government.

 

[blndrhed]

I agree, to a certain extent, with this snippet quoted above. I think that a large proportion of the blind hatred that is espoused against any particular group is exactly that - blind - because it is based on misinformation and grievances passed on by prior generations, combined with an unwillingness of certain memebers of subsequent generations to utilize critical thinking skills.

After all, it is far, far easier to just hate blindly, or to accept uncritically the views of biased media, friends, or family, than to actually educate yourself or to actually think rationally and critically.

It also sheds some light on your numerous, uneducated, predictable, knee-jerk anti-American rantings, Oliver.

[Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming - sorry for the minor derail]

Wow! I was so with you on this post, until you contradicted yourself and made an unnecessary attack on Oliver as an "Anti-American". I question who the true "critical thinkers" are.

 

[Oliver]

Could you elaborate?

The Idea of "survival of the fittest" also had a major role within the Nazi-Ideology. And it still is being misused by Neo-Nazis today. But that's why I added this Link in my last post:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...he+fittest"+"nazi+germany"+darwin&btnG=Search

 

[Dumbledore]

Well then it certainly served Hezbollah in multiple ways to incite Israel to attack Lebanon. My question is though what kind of magical wand was Israel suppose to wave in order to stop the missile attacks? I have certainly heard an ear full of all the abuses and wrong actions by Israel but what was Israel suppose to do, what would we do in the US? Everyone seems to skirt around this issue. As I see it Israel was backed into a no win situation and has be criticized for reacting the only way they could to bring an end to the missile attacks. Lebanon was unwilling or unable to stop Hezbollah's terrorist actions, so I repeat what magical wand was Israel suppose wave to deal with these missile attack on its citizens?

 

[a_unique_person]

Well then it certainly served Hezbollah in multiple ways to incite Israel to attack Lebanon. My question is though what kind of magical wand was Israel suppose to wave in order to stop the missile attacks? I have certainly heard an ear full of all the abuses and wrong actions by Israel but what was Israel suppose to do, what would we do in the US? Everyone seems to skirt around this issue. As I see it Israel was backed into a no win situation and has be criticized for reacting the only way they could to bring an end to the missile attacks. Lebanon was unwilling or unable to stop Hezbollah's terrorist actions, so I repeat what magical wand was Israel suppose wave to deal with these missile attack on its citizens?

Attack Hizbullah, not Lebanon in general, maybe? Attack military targets only, otherwise it is just doing what it accuses them of doing, attack civilian targets because it can't attack the military ones that are beyond it's reach.

 

[Dustin Kesselberg]

Further more Dustin the analogy is based on Canada or Mexico allowing terrorists to launch missiles from there country not the other way around! Sorry to be so harsh everyone but it is very angering to have people try to paint Israel as some evil, innocent person killing country. Certainly Israel has done some bad things, they are not lily white, no country is; but they certainly do not kill innocent people purposely because they supposedly have an excuse to!

Even if Mexico had terrorists launching rockets at our cities and even if Mexico wasn't cooperating, that doesn't give us the right to launch rockets at their cities killing their civilians. What we would have to do is simply invade Mexico and deal with the terrorists that way, without launching rockets into major Mexican metropolitan areas and killing civilians.

I would also like evidence that Lebanon was "able" to deal with Hezbollah but was unwilling to do so.

 

[stilicho]

Anyway this is a summary based mostly on previous posts of why the German genocide against the Jews happened.

1. Anti-semitism existed in Germany based on

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e. Involvement of some Jews with Zionism. (not mentioned previously in this thread, but the subject of at least one contentious thread on the subject previously).

I find this relatively new reason to hate the Jews to be fascinating. Far from being the desultory word it has become, Zionism was actually promoted by a lot of the people we might consider "racist" or at least "politically incorrect" these days. There was a general feeling among European intellectuals around the end of the nineteenth century that there was a strong reason to establish a homeland for European Jews to resolve the "Jewish Question". The principle of "self-determination" was a liberal one then, and intended not only to address the "Jewish Question" but also the minorities contained within the decaying polyglot empires that dominated Europe before the Great War.

Zionism appears to have acquired its negative connotations only after the establishment of Israel as a state.

 

[Oliver]

I may be a little bit late concerning the OP but the question isn't "Why do people hate Jews", it's rather "Why do people hate other ethnic groups".

From what I know about the psychological factor behind this, this kind of hate against another ethical group is based on experience, most probably initiated by people in your environment like relatives and friends. Also the general thinking about issues and of course, the media you consume also has a role in this kind of thinking.

From psychological point of view, most of the hate evolves in a persons subconscious as a result of negative emotions concerning a other group or person. If you hear negative news about something long and often enough, you're receptive to adopt such feelings subconsciously.

For an American example: I don't know about the actual numbers but from what I've heart in the past, most stories about murder, violence, shootings, drugs are
about black people as being the suspects or perpetrators.

If you listen to these kind of news long enough, you might tend to evolve emotions towards blacks just because you subconsciously connect crime and black - which might lead to some kind of fear against black people or in the worst case, hate. Now I know that this process of thinking isn't rational at all, but it's a part of Human Nature and it can be used against a group. The Nazis were a good example for using this behavior. I also tend to include the Communist-Antipathy and Saddam-Antipathy as a result of using this human behavior for governmental purposes - which is: "support us". Also known as Propaganda.

Now I know some in here may have a hard time to grasp what I said, especially because my English isn't good enough to explain it much clearer, but the Kramer incident was a very, very good example of that human characteristic, especially when he's trying to explain himself - which he couldn't because he wasn't aware of that characteristic for himself:



ETA: Just in case the whole clip is violating the rules in here:
Admins, please delete the one above if this is the case, thank you in advance.

Does someone in here understand the psychological backgrounds?

 

[robinson]

"the Kramer incident"

I wish the hell people would quit using Kramer's name instead of Richards. Kramer never did nothing. People are dumb.

 

[davefoc]

I find this relatively new reason to hate the Jews to be fascinating. Far from being the desultory word it has become, Zionism was actually promoted by a lot of the people we might consider "racist" or at least "politically incorrect" these days. There was a general feeling among European intellectuals around the end of the nineteenth century that there was a strong reason to establish a homeland for European Jews to resolve the "Jewish Question". The principle of "self-determination" was a liberal one then, and intended not only to address the "Jewish Question" but also the minorities contained within the decaying polyglot empires that dominated Europe before the Great War.

Zionism appears to have acquired its negative connotations only after the establishment of Israel as a state.

I assume you mean Europeans when you say that Zionism is a relatively new reason to hate Jews. Clearly there was a lot of resistance to Jewish immigration into the area that became Israel by the indigenous population well before Israel became a country .

I put it on the list based mostly on a discussion long ago between Capel Dodger and Cleopatra about whether Zionism had contributed to the antisemitism in Germany before WWII. Cleopatra argued that Zionism was not a factor at all and CD argued that it was a very significant factor. At the time I didn't know enough to judge between the two possibilities and I don't know more today about the issue. But it seems like it must have been more than zero so I put it on the list. From my perspective it seems likely that the notion that a citizen would have loyalties to another political entity would engender some resentment in the part of the population that considered themselves only German. It probably has that effect in the US today amongst the population that sees themselves as only American, but it doesn't seem to be that significant an issue with regard to cause of what antisemitism still exists in the US.

 

[jsiv]

Norway banned jews from the country long before the world wars, proud luterhans as we are.

 

[Oliver]

"the Kramer incident"

I wish the hell people would quit using Kramer's name instead of Richards. Kramer never did nothing. People are dumb.

I used "Kramer" because most people know this role in contrast to his real name. You might consider that there are many Non-US-Reader in here, too. Maybe also many who don't know the incident at all.

Why is that dumb?

 

[robinson]

Kramer didn't do anything. Richard's is not Kramer!! It is dumb to keep saying "the Kramer Incident", as if it describes reality.