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hey, this has turned out to be quite an informative thread, so I´m not apologising for my "ignorance" earlier (it shows that you can read 10 books about a subject and still not be right...)
Spock acted in a film about the Holocaust once, he played Mel Mermelstein in the film "Never Forget"
That's not true, either. Only to become a Jew. A non-circumcised adult male born to a Jewish mother might be barred from certain activities (partaking of the Passover offering, for example), but is considered completely Jewish - counted for a minyan of ten, enjoys the same inheritance rights/obligations, what have you.
But Roman Imperialism (which is what I discussed) had specific justifications for hating each group they subjugated. That's part of how the Romans operated. They needed to justify for themselves why they were Romanizing each population. Often they claimed self-defense. For the Jews, and only for the Jews, they were reviled and hated for their monotheism. That's also why Christians were persecuted (and considered either a sect of Judaism or a cultic offshoot) in much of the pre-Constantine era.
When Rome became Christian, this anti-monotheism was converted (so to speak) into anti-judaism (ie, antisemitism).
To claim that antisemitism began after Constantine is to be fundamentally ignorant of history. The roots of antisemitism are found in the specific type of Imperialism practiced by the Romans. And yes, their antagonism towards Jews did have to do with Jews specifically. And their antagonism towards Phoenicians had to do with Phoneicians specifically. And their antagonism towards druidism... I trust you get the idea.
After all, the Nazis didn't just hate Jews. They hated blacks and gays and communists and gypsies and slavs... Nobody would say the Nazis weren't antisemites just because they hated all non-Aryan races. The Romans were similarly contemptuous of all who were not like them, but they had different justifications for their hatred of each group, just as the Nazis did.
Yes, different case. Theatre and democracy have nothing to do with a specific race.
That's not true, either. Only to become a Jew. A non-circumcised adult male born to a Jewish mother might be barred from certain activities (partaking of the Passover offering, for example), but is considered completely Jewish - counted for a minyan of ten, enjoys the same inheritance rights/obligations, what have you.
Anyway, God sent Jesus down here to die, and Pontius Pilate actually sentenced Jesus to die, while Roman soldiers killed him (or did they?!?!). So we've got God's will plus Romans doing the dirty work. So what? Ok, maybe Jews ratted him out? But that was just one guy, not all Jews, and that was 2000 years ago, not last Thursday. So what the F?
How can Christians be angry at the Jews, when if it weren't for the one Jew 2000 years ago, their religion wouldn't even exist? And for all they know, 'one of you will betray me' was a directive, not a prophesy, considering it was Jesus whole purpose to die down here.
Even though he didn't actually die, and knew the whole time he wouldn't die, and knew the whole time he would inherit the earth, and so how could he have possibly been tempted by Satan and how could his death have been a sacrifice?
And even though it says about a thousand times that Jews are God's chosen people, and they were doing what God said like they always do, like Isaac nearly killing his kid, so how can anyone be mad at them?
And all the people in that Adam Sandler song are cool, as is Adam Sandler himself, so how can you hate them? I mean, Capt. Kirk and David Lee Roth? I'd hate Sammy Hagar before I hated David Lee Roth.
They might get back together, by the way. Van Halen with Roth, I mean. Though without Michael Anthony, whose name sounds Roman, which takes us full circle to who actually killed Jesus.
That's something I've been thinking about as of late. In the modern world, a lot of is has to do with Israel or Zionism, but it seems to me - with the average knowledge of history that I have - the Jews have been a targeted group since the get go. Why? Is a large portion come from some Christian's view of Jews as "Christ-killers"? Is it because Jews are seen as being affluent and well off? Why do people hate Jews?
I may be a little bit late concerning the OP but the question isn't "Why do people hate Jews", it's rather "Why do people hate other ethnic groups".
From what I know about the psychological factor behind this, this kind of hate against another ethical group is based on experience, most probably initiated by people in your environment like relatives and friends. Also the general thinking about issues and of course, the media you consume also has a role in this kind of thinking.
From psychological point of view, most of the hate evolves in a persons subconscious as a result of negative emotions concerning a other group or person. If you hear negative news about something long and often enough, you're receptive to adopt such feelings subconsciously.
For an American example: I don't know about the actual numbers but from what I've heart in the past, most stories about murder, violence, shootings, drugs are
about black people as being the suspects or perpetrators.
If you listen to these kind of news long enough, you might tend to evolve emotions towards blacks just because you subconsciously connect crime and black - which might lead to some kind of fear against black people or in the worst case, hate. Now I know that this process of thinking isn't rational at all, but it's a part of Human Nature and it can be used against a group. The Nazis were a good example for using this behavior. I also tend to include the Communist-Antipathy and Saddam-Antipathy as a result of using this human behavior for governmental purposes - which is: "support us". Also known as Propaganda.
Now I know some in here may have a hard time to grasp what I said, especially because my English isn't good enough to explain it much clearer, but the Kramer incident was a very, very good example of that human characteristic, especially when he's trying to explain himself - which he couldn't because he wasn't aware of that characteristic for himself:
ETA: Just in case the whole clip is violating the rules in here:
Admins, please delete the one above if this is the case, thank you in advance.
<snip>From what I know about the psychological factor behind this, this kind of hate against another ethical group is based on experience, most probably initiated by people in your environment like relatives and friends. Also the general thinking about issues and of course, the media you consume also has a role in this kind of thinking.
From psychological point of view, most of the hate evolves in a persons subconscious as a result of negative emotions concerning a other group or person. If you hear negative news about something long and often enough, you're receptive to adopt such feelings subconsciously.
I agree, to a certain extent, with this snippet quoted above. I think that a large proportion of the blind hatred that is espoused against any particular group is exactly that - blind - because it is based on misinformation and grievances passed on by prior generations, combined with an unwillingness of certain memebers of subsequent generations to utilize critical thinking skills.
After all, it is far, far easier to just hate blindly, or to accept uncritically the views of biased media, friends, or family, than to actually educate yourself or to actually think rationally and critically.
It also sheds some light on your numerous, uneducated, predictable, knee-jerk anti-American rantings, Oliver.
[Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming - sorry for the minor derail]
Also people need a scapegoat for the ills of the world and their lives in general. It can't be my fault my life sucks. Must be the Jews doing this to me. After all they control EVERYTHING.
I agree, to a certain extent, with this snippet quoted above. I think that a large proportion of the blind hatred that is espoused against any particular group is exactly that - blind - because it is based on misinformation and grievances passed on by prior generations, combined with an unwillingness of certain memebers of subsequent generations to utilize critical thinking skills.
After all, it is far, far easier to just hate blindly, or to accept uncritically the views of biased media, friends, or family, than to actually educate yourself or to actually think rationally and critically.
It also sheds some light on your numerous, uneducated, predictable, knee-jerk anti-American rantings, Oliver.
[Now, back to your regularly scheduled programming - sorry for the minor derail]
Concerning your criticism: I admit that I may simplify several issues based on my non-american point of view - and yes, there might be also the possibility that I'm also a victim of negative propaganda (from english and US-Sources) - but so far, I didn't find a good explanation for the invasion of Iraq, which is the biggest point of my criticism. What I've found about this issue are lies from the official side of the story - which made it even more bothering to me instead seeing good reasons in it. And unfortunately - Iraq is just one incident in a row of things that bother me whenever they make no moral sense to me.
So if you think that I am annoying - you might be able to imagine the ones who don't have the opportunity to share their views with Americans at all, are you?
Also people need a scapegoat for the ills of the world and their lives in general. It can't be my fault my life sucks. Must be the Jews doing this to me. After all they control EVERYTHING.
It isn't that easy. You don't blame groups you don't know nothing about. But if you grew up with the Idea that Jews are controlling the world, you might tend to have negative opinions and emotions about them without any factual basis - just because you learned that "they are bad".
That's true - and it's the Medias responsibility to educate the people by telling the positive and negative sides of a story, including the different opinions about an Issue. That's the only way to block prejudice.
From what I saw in many occasions, Americans were scared/misguided about Communists, Cuba, Iran, Terrorists, the French, Saddam and so on - and I miss coverage showing the other side of these issues in a fair&balanced manner.
Now I don't want to make a conspiracy out of that - but it's highly immoral if this is the truth. And people should know about this issue because in Germany, we know what can happen with this kind of misguidance about another ethnic group.
I honestly don't see that much anti-antisemitism anymore in society. "White Supremacy" is pretty much a thing of the past. I would say there's a definite rise in "Jewish Conspiracy" rhetoric since the rise of the internet. There is the "Anti-Zionists" from the left who are accused of what is referred to as the "New Antisemitism", by Jewish Zionists, and Christian Zionist Evangelicals, and of course the "Arab hatred", that has existed since the foundation of Israel on what they consider their "Holy Land".
Is there someone in here who's interested in "Propaganda" and how it works? It probably would make an interesting thread for those who don't fully understand the mechanics behind it...
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1. Anti-semitism existed in Germany based on:
a. Jews were a minority and minorities often are targets of discrimination and resentment by majority population.
b. Unigue relationship between Judaism and Christianity that led to some particular contempt for Jewish population. Possibly a holdover for anti-semitic notions in Christianity from inclusions of anti-Jewish propaganda in earliest Christian writings.
c. Jewish roles in professions that were seen as exploitive by some in Germany
d. Jewish involvement with communism.
e. Involvement of some Jews with Zionism. (not mentioned previously in this thread, but the subject of at least one contentious thread on the subject previously).
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I'm going to add one item to your list, dave (sort of an offshoot of 'c' = the $$$ gripe):
f. Jewish intellectualism conflicted with the anti-intellectual Nazi ethic.
Jewish culture, centred around learning and interpretation (midrash) of The Torah during the diaspora, has a proud tradition of universal literacy and deep respect for dialogue. Intellectuals coming out of this tradition have made contributions far out of proportion to their numbers. Their outsider voice and perspective ("skepticism", one might say) was at odds with the Nazi ideal of unified will and rabid patriotism.
Jewish intellectuals were cited by Goebbels as degenerate influences in German culture (the Nazis were uber-realists -- the Fuhrer painted only landscapes -- and Jewish thought and art was often abstract and avant-garde; I doubt Marx's Communist Manifesto was a big hit with the brown shirts either). It's significant that before the Nazis began rounding up the Jews, they burned their books.
I don't know whether this is a recurring theme in the history of anti-semitism, but the Nazis certainly hated Jewish scholarship and all that it stood for.
The intellectualism point doesn't make much sense because there is another point that wasn't raised so far:
The Idea of Darwin's "survival of the fittest".
As you well know Dustin Lebanon refused to do anything about the Hezbollah operating and launching missiles from there country. Therefore following my analogy Canada would refuse to do anything as well, what would be the US response then. Please give me some other laughable reason why Israel and therefore Jews are a bloody savage people who only want an excuse to kill the innocent. P.S. If you harbor terrorists and allow them to launch attacks from your country some of your people might get killed in the cross fire, but I guess Hezbollah's plan worked, people like you get to rant about the evils of Israel and Jews with pictures, never mind the truth behind what happened!
As you well know Dustin Lebanon refused to do anything about the Hezbollah operating and launching missiles from there country. Therefore following my analogy Canada would refuse to do anything as well, what would be the US response then. Please give me some other laughable reason why Israel and therefore Jews are a bloody savage people who only want an excuse to kill the innocent. P.S. If you harbor terrorists and allow them to launch attacks from your country some of your people might get killed in the cross fire, but I guess Hezbollah's plan worked, people like you get to rant about the evils of Israel and Jews with pictures, never mind the truth behind what happened!
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