Why did the 9-11 Truth Movement fail?

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jaydeehess said:
Those are the parts that JJ believes should be 'reconstructed', actually re-assembled in the same fashion that some aircraft that crash have been.

One wonders just how that could be accomplished.
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I thought aircraft (for example TWA800) are re-assembled as to find the cause of the accident and to try to trace back where the break-up started and how it developed into a catastrophic failure?

Why would the WTC be reconstructed? Besides that the idea is not feasable and stupid to start with, it is known what the initiation for the collapse was and what caused the complete destruction of the towers.
 
Bell said:
Why would the WTC be reconstructed? Besides that the idea is not feasable and stupid to start with, it is known what the initiation for the collapse was and what caused the complete destruction of the towers.
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Neither of these things are "known". We have some best guesses based on computer simulations.

If the idea of reconstruction is "stupid" why were there very strong objections, at the time, from within the fire engineering industry, protesting the removal and destruction of vital evidence?


jaydeehess said:
No it isn't, it can mean to construct a building using the same techniques and type of materials used in the original construction, OR as you would have it, to reassemble the parts of the now broken structure.
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I see your confusion.




Odd that you would rail on against NIST and not have bothered to read it. They cover the markings on the structural members and the fact that many were unidentifiable.
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The only reason I have read from NIST as to why they had to rely on computer simulations was because, by the time the NIST investigation started, nearly all the physical evidence had already been destroyed.

(Please provide evidence of my "railing".)



This has been covered many times in these pages. Try the sticky threads of this forum.
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I have never seen, on this forum or anywhere else, documentation of a physical study of steel for traces of explosives. I'd be interested to see some.

,,,, and?? What is the significance of that? seems like getting an answer from you on this is similar to the difficulty one might have in trying to nail jell-o to a wall.
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There is a correlation between skin color and political power in our racist world.

UNLoVedRebel said:
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There is no broadband service where I live and work. Please provide written documentation, if possible.
 
JihadJane said:
I have never seen, on this forum or anywhere else, documentation of a physical study of steel for traces of explosives. I'd be interested to see some.
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If it is so important then why do you not ask the relevant people for this documentation. We know that all the steel was inspected by forensic investigators, demolition contractors, site managers and public officials and that it was documented and a correct chain of custody followed.

If you want these documents you could go and ask for them. I can give you a name to start with.

JJ said:
There is a correlation between skin color and political power in our racist world.
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In yours perhaps. Are you from the UK?
 
JihadJane said:
Neither of these things are "known". We have some best guesses based on computer simulations..
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Actually there is photographic evidence proving NIST's theory about collapse initiation correct. Do you even know what the evidence and their theory is?
 
Alright you two.

I'll turn this donkey-powered rickshaw around!
 
Jihadjane at least you should be aware of the evidence you imply is inconclusive or faked.
 
JihadJane said:
Don't be coy!
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JihadJane Jell-o on a nail.

I believe that dtugg refers to, for instance, the photographic conformation of sagging floor trusses and outward bowing perimeter columns prior to collapse initiation.

, and now that I have said that I expect you will come back with the goal posts moved.

The video linked to above is one in which the engineers explain what they were doing with the material at the Freshkills site. This includes examples of the type of failures seen on the columns and trusses. Nary an explosively separated section in the bunch nor a big runny melted piece. No evidence of 'dustification' of the steel either, which rules out Judy Woods directed energy beam weapons. Just connection tear-outs and bent busted steel.

The only reason I have read from NIST as to why they had to rely on computer simulations was because, by the time the NIST investigation started, nearly all the physical evidence had already been destroyed.

(Please provide evidence of my "railing".)
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"they had to rely on computer simulations" over and over and over again despite being told why and despite being told that the idea of re-assembly of the broken parts would be difficult since not all pieces could be positively identified as to their origin in the building , and because this would be wholly impracticle for such very large, very heavy, very bent items , and since one could not determine if some of the damage occured during collapse or as any specific piece fell down through the high speed rock tumbler and impact with the earth.


There is a correlation between skin color and political power in our racist world.
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I repeat, ",,, and?? What is the significance of that? seems like getting an answer from you on this is similar to the difficulty one might have in trying to nail jell-o to a wall."

Specifically, how does the fact that political power on this planet resides primarily in countries that are predominantly populated by desendants of the Europeans (economic power is much less concentrated there since one must include several Asian countries) relate to the idea that the attacks of 911 are not what is proposed in the so called official narritive?

Others in the Truth Movement, which you say you eschew, have stated that Arabs hiding in caves could not accomplish these attacks. That is an obviously racist POV and when I brought it up you chaffed at the idea that I was suggesting that you shared the sentiment. I have now asked a few times just what you feel is the significance of the skin colour of the hijackers and in general that of the Islamic believers. All you seem to be capable of doing is re-iterating the obvious, that they are brown and most westerners are white as if that alone says it all. (perhaps cue the spooky music and the whispered voice "think about it")
 
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JJ I know you just look to turn a phrase with each new comment rather than learn something. But I, like several others here, get suckered by those who pretend they're are interested in learning. So, I'll post this pic just this one time for you, hoping you may actually look at it and consider reading the NIST report rather than dismissing it. If you're just looking to get the last word, go ahead, I'll yield it to you. If you have any legitimate questions, we'll do our best to answer them for you so we can deepen your understanding about the events of 9/11.

ST1-full.jpg
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UNLoVedRebel said:
JJ I know you just look to turn a phrase with each new comment rather than learn something. But I, like several others here, get suckered by those who pretend they're are interested in learning. So, I'll post this pic just this one time for you, hoping you may actually look at it and consider reading the NIST report rather than dismissing it. If you're just looking to get the last word, go ahead, I'll yield it to you. If you have any legitimate questions, we'll do our best to answer them for you so we can deepen your understanding about the events of 9/11.

http://911stories.googlepages.com/ST1.jpg/ST1-full.jpg.
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These pictures prove that my original theory about the collapse of the towers is indeed correct.

The Jew Physicists from Caltech created a miniature black hole inside each tower. This black hole pulled in the outer beams..thereby forcing the collapse.

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JihadJane said:
I have never seen, on this forum or anywhere else, documentation of a physical study of steel for traces of explosives. I'd be interested to see some.
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Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang! Bang!

That is what everyone would have heard and every sound recording device captured if explosives had been used. No series of "bangs" were heard therefore there CANNOT possibly be any use of explosives, so there is no point in testing for them. There are plenty of videos on this site showing that when buildings are demolished using explosives that there is a series of bangs usually correlating with light flashes. This did not happen on 9/11 ergo no explosives.

You might as well say, "I have never seen, on this forum or anywhere else, documentation of a physical study of steel for traces of explosives custard. I'd be interested to see some."
 
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