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Why did God create the tree of knowledge?

plindboe

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If he didn't want Adam and Eve to eat from it, why did he create it in the first place? Why was it placed in the middle of the garden? And why was it beautiful when it apparently meant death to even touch it? Why did he grant it the powers to give knowledge about good and evil, if he didn't want Adam and Eve to have that knowledge? Why did he even care if Adam and Eve had that knowledge in the first place?

Oops, sorry for all those questions. I initially just wanted to just ask one, but more and more questions kept popping up.
 
plindboe said:
If he didn't want Adam and Eve to eat from it, why did he create it in the first place? Why was it placed in the middle of the garden? And why was it beautiful when it apparently meant death to even touch it? Why did he grant it the powers to give knowledge about good and evil, if he didn't want Adam and Eve to have that knowledge? Why did he even care if Adam and Eve had that knowledge in the first place?

Oops, sorry for all those questions. I initially just wanted to just ask one, but more and more questions kept popping up.

Adam and Eve were created with reasoning abilities in order to qualify to be called God's children since God himself reasons and has all the qualities man has to a superlative degree.

So there was nothing in his human nature that needed anything extra . That included the so-called tree of good and evil.

Man was already aware of what was evil.
He knew that going contrary to God's will was wrong.
He knew that he owed his existence to his heavenly father who had placed him in pleasant conditions and provided him with sustenance and the promise of eterenal life.

God also had assigned Adam the job of tending to the Garden and its animals. He and his descendants were to expand it until it became global.

Adam was given the honor of the naming each animal. So Adam was no grunting inarticulate beast. He was created with the abilities of language and of imagination to use that language creatively. So Adam knew that to refuse to tend to the Garden and its animals was evil.

After eve was created, he knew that to mistreat her was evil because she was given him as a helper and it was his responsibility to teach and protect his younger physically weaker companion. Anything contrary to this he knew would be wrong or evil.

In short, Adam definitely did not suffer from some inherent moral or intellectual inability to differentiate evil from good. Adam knew that living was good as opposed to not existing. After all, he had once not existed and knew thast living is preferable. So choosing not to exist or causing himself or Eve not to exist via the wrong choice he knew was evil.

Since Adam and Eve already view what is evil, the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been one that granted Adam moral sensibilities since he possessed these already.

The tree then had to have a symbolic meaning. as eating from its fruit must also have.

The meaning becomes clear when an angelic son of God tempts Eve to eat.

This spirit creature using a serpent as a puppet proceeded to tell Eve in a roundabout way what the eating from the tree signified and called God a liar.

God, remember, was the one who determined good and evil, Such a privilege was not granted man. So Satan accused God of being selfish--of not wanting to share that right with others. In short, eating from the fruit in clear violation of the commandment would mean rejecting that arrangement where God is the lawgiver and man the law keeper.

Eating from it, Satan said, would make man like God knowing by himself what is good and evil and not having to be told. In that way man could aspire to be like God in stipulating morality.

In short, disobeying God and eating would be a deceision to go it alone as well as a request for God to out of the picture and let man try to govern himself.

It was also an accusation against God in reference to his right to rule the universe inthe way he did--as a moral LAW GIVER.

BTW
The tree became attractive in appearance to Eve only after Satan described it is false terms of granting things that God wanted only for himself. Then the tree became desirable to look at. Prior to that it had provably been avoided due to the restrictions in reference to it.
 
The serpent was not a satan figure.

The myth has previous myths it was based on.

It is a good story.

Good night.

Some seem to want to waste a lot of ignorance on it, however.

--J.D.
 
Hi Radrook, thanks for your long reply. Hope it's alright if I'm a little direct in mine. ;)

Radrook said:
Adam and Eve were created with reasoning abilities in order to qualify to be called God's children since God himself reasons and has all the qualities man has to a superlative degree.

So there was nothing in his human nature that needed anything extra . That included the so-called tree of good and evil.

Man was already aware of what was evil.

So in your opinion Gen 3:22 is false? (3:22 - And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever)


Radrook said:
So Adam knew that to refuse to tend to the Garden and its animals was evil.

How do you know that? Where in Genesis is that mentioned? Maybe he was just following orders from God, but was without morals.


Radrook said:
After eve was created, he knew that to mistreat her was evil because she was given him as a helper and it was his responsibility to teach and protect his younger physically weaker companion. Anything contrary to this he knew would be wrong or evil.

Where does it say that? Maybe he did mistreat her.


Radrook said:
Adam knew that living was good as opposed to not existing. After all, he had once not existed and knew thast living is preferable. So choosing not to exist or causing himself or Eve not to exist via the wrong choice he knew was evil.

So he could remember how non-existance felt like? Where does it say that?


Radrook said:
Since Adam and Eve already view what is evil, the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been one that granted Adam moral sensibilities since he possessed these already.

I don't think you have argued well for such a conclusion, and you seem to have spiced the whole story up alot with your own fantasies about the story.


Radrook said:
The tree then had to have a symbolic meaning. as eating from its fruit must also have.

So you have choosen that this is symbolic. Why can't the entire story might as well be symbolic then?


Radrook said:
The meaning becomes clear when an angelic son of God tempts Eve to eat.

This spirit creature using a serpent as a puppet proceeded to tell Eve in a roundabout way what the eating from the tree signified and called God a liar.

Maybe I have missed it, but where does it say that the snake is an "angelic son of God" & "spirit creature using the serpent as a puppet", thanks?

Lastly, I don't really think you answered the questions I posed. Ah, well.
 
Radrook
Man was already aware of what was evil.
He knew that going contrary to God's will was wrong.
Goes directly against the text.

Since Adam and Eve already view what is evil, the tree of knowledge of good and evil could not have been one that granted Adam moral sensibilities since he possessed these already.
Again, goes directly against the text.

Your entire post.

So people were good little zombies doing everything correctly until Satan shows up and says, hey break the rules. Looks like, from your post, Satan shows humanity the first uses of freewill and the consequences.

God was menial labor, Satan was product testing.

Ossai
 
God himself reasons and has all the qualities man has to a superlative degree.

Bloodthirstiness: I will make my arrows drunk with blood, while my sword devours flesh; the blood of the slain and the captives; the head of the enemy leaders - Deuteronomy, 33:2.

Jealosy: Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me - Exodus 20:5

Arbitrariness: And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. - Genesis 4:3-5

Stylishness:_Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them._The length of one curtain shall be eight and twenty cubits, and the breadth of one curtain four cubits: and every one of the curtains shall have one measure._The five curtains shall be coupled together one to another; and other five curtains shall be coupled one to another._And thou shalt make loops of blue upon the edge of the one curtain from the selvedge in the coupling; and likewise shalt thou make in the uttermost edge of another curtain, in the coupling of the second._Fifty loops shalt thou make in the one curtain, and fifty loops shalt thou make in the edge of the curtain that is in the coupling of the second; that the loops may take hold one of another._And thou shalt make fifty taches of gold, and couple the curtains together with the taches: and it shall be one tabernacle. And thou shalt make curtains of goats' hair to be a covering upon the tabernacle: eleven curtains shalt thou make._The length of one curtain shall be thirty cubits, and the breadth of one curtain four cubits: and the eleven curtains shall be all of one measure._And thou shalt couple five curtains by themselves, and six curtains by themselves, and shalt double the sixth curtain in the forefront of the tabernacle._And thou shalt make fifty loops on the edge of the one curtain that is outmost in the coupling, and fifty loops in the edge of the curtain which coupleth the second._And thou shalt make fifty taches of brass, and put the taches into the loops, and couple the tent together, that it may be one. And the remnant that remaineth of the curtains of the tent, the half curtain that remaineth, shall hang over the backside of the tabernacle._And a cubit on the one side, and a cubit on the other side of that which remaineth in the length of the curtains of the tent, it shall hang over the sides of the tabernacle on this side and on that side, to cover it._And thou shalt make a covering for the tent of rams' skins dyed red, and a covering above of badgers' skins. _And thou shalt make boards for the tabernacle of s**ttim wood standing up. _Ten cubits shall be the length of a board, and a cubit and a half shall be the breadth of one board._Two tenons shall there be in one board, set in order one against another: thus shalt thou make for all the boards of the tabernacle._And thou shalt make the boards for the tabernacle, twenty boards on the south side southward. _And thou shalt make forty sockets of silver under the twenty boards; two sockets under one board for his two tenons, and two sockets under another board for his two tenons. _And for the second side of the tabernacle on the north side there shall be twenty boards: And their forty sockets of silver; two sockets under one board, and two sockets under another board._And for the sides of the tabernacle westward thou shalt make six boards._And two boards shalt thou make for the corners of the tabernacle in the two sides._And they shall be coupled together beneath, and they shall be coupled together above the head of it unto one ring: thus shall it be for them both; they shall be for the two corners. _And they shall be eight boards, and their sockets of silver, sixteen sockets; two sockets under one board, and two sockets under another board. - Exodus 26
 
Couldn't we sue God under the "attractive nuisance" tort theory?

And Radrook, according to the Bible man didn't know good from evil, wasn't embarrased by his nakedness etc before eating from the tree.
 
For the same reason he chose to plant apparently millions-year-old fossils in the ground of our 6000-year-old planet: To give his puppet creatures something to not think about as a test of their faith.
 
Re: Re: Why did God create the tree of knowledge?

Radrook said:

So there was nothing in his human nature that needed anything extra . That included the so-called tree of good and evil.

Man was already aware of what was evil.

So ancient storytellers are telling us through metaphor what we should already know: that man is complete, and the search for anything above and beyond their own lives is "evil".

Including God.
 
Agammamon said:
And Radrook, according to the Bible man didn't know good from evil, wasn't embarrased by his nakedness etc before eating from the tree.

But nakedness is not inherently evil. Therefore, the tree represents something else. Perhaps it represents civilization and societalization? We are speaking metaphor here.
 
Here's a question. Why the heck do we have to worship a "creator"?

For all intents and purposes, I "created" my kids. Yet I do not seek their worship; in fact if I did, people would be scandalized. If I created a lower life form, I certainly wouldn't want it to worship me.

I didn't ask to be created. So why do I owe anything to the (supposed) deity that did it? Maybe I owe it a hearty "thanks!" but worship? No way.
 
Why did God create the Tree of Knowledge?

A: Because he felt like it.
B: God is ineffable.
C: Because he knew what would happen, wanted it to happen, and made it apples so Adam wouldn't have to pluck out an eye and hang himself so as not to continue blatantly borrowing from other myth cycles.
 
Because the god of creation (AL) is not the god that tell ADM that he created him (YVHV), AL created the tree, YVHV told ADM not to eat of it.
 
Re: What do Grubs Know?

Iacchus said:
Yes, but what do grubs know? ... except perhaps intuitively, what it's like to be a butterfly? :)

Point or order, Iachuss, they are not grups they are catepillars and/or larvae.

I have wondered that myself, but i don't think seeds remeber the flower. There is some tissue in the larvae that gets transformed during the pupation. There are so few brain cells, I don't know what a butterfly remebers. Most of it seems to be response cues.
 
Re: Re: What do Grubs Know?

Piscivore said:

Raise your hands, everyone who suspects that "Iacchus" is just a bot programmed to restate arguments as logical fallacies and randomly print out naive, nonsensical questions.

There's at least three major posters here who I can name that have this as their standard mode of operation.

I think Iacchus belongs on the list, after my conversation with him yesterday. He thinks he's a sophist, but in fact he's just a parrot.
 
Dancing David said:

Point or order, Iachuss, they are not grups they are catepillars and/or larvae.
"There is a differency between a grub and a butterfly, yet your butterfly was a grub." ~ Shakespeare
 

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