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Why Deny?

RobRoy

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Normally, I stay out of most of the conspiracy stuff, and the Holocaust denial series. I'm not that much of a historian, and what history I'm interested in didn't take place in the recent past. But from time to time I do read the threads of deniers to see if they're is something truly new or profound, and then follow a few of the follow-ups and see how easily such denials are dismantled.

But the question did occur to me today: why deny? Specifically, why deny the Holocaust?

I can understand posing the question, asking for confirmation on details, looking for nuanced information about specific events. But I don't grasp what the agenda is for those who attempt, and work very, very hard, to deny that the repugnant series of events we now call the Holocaust occured.

Can someone help me out here?
 
RobRoy said:
Can someone help me out here?
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1. Jews used the Holocaust to make non-Jews feel guilty in order to get breaks they didn't deserve.
2. It worked. Now, Jews control the world for their own pleasure and to the detriment of non-Jews.
3. We must take the world back from them.
4. If the Holocaust never happened (or wasn't as bad as the Jews claimed), Jews can't rely on the Holocaust to generate guilt.
5. And if the Jews knew that the Holocaust never happened, that proves they used the Holocaust against non-Jews with malicious intent.
6. See? I told you Jews were bad.
 
I've never really understood it either. I think you have to start as a racist piece of garbage, and then you get involved in Holocaust denial to help rationalize your stupidity and hatred. Otherwise, you couldn't be convinced by the weak case that the deniers make against the nonexistent Jewish worldwide conspiracy.
 
RobRoy said:
But the question did occur to me today: why deny? Specifically, why deny the Holocaust?
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Nizkor.com put it best.

The cynical truth comes to us by way of an obscure extremist group, which boasts:
"The real purpose of holocaust revisionism is to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again."
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Check the third paragraph of the linked-to document for full context. The actual source is "the National Socialist White Peoples Party, formerly the American Nazi Party."
 
Ooooh, another great quote from the same source (this one from this page):

Take away the Holocaust and both the National Socialists and the Jews become very different people, almost reversing roles. The whole foundation of the Hitler-As-Evil-Incarnate portrait which is now Holy Writ is based on two false concepts: the Holocaust and the standard Establishment historical mantra of Hitler-Started-World-War-Two-By-Invading-Poland. Knock away the mythical six million murdered sheenies and the Hitler-Started-The-War business is a weak reed indeed for the Hitler-haters to lean on; it is nowhere near as highly charged emotionally and much more susceptible to historical analysis and debunking, based as it is on real and documentable historical events and not what amounts to the theological mysteries of a new religion, which is what the Holocaust has become to its adherents. Part of the aberrant psychology displayed by Nizkor people in their controlled newsgroups can be explained by what amounts to religious fervor; people who question their dogmas are treated as less than human, heretics to be burned and destroyed lest they contaminate the pure faith.

Take away the Holocaust and one is stunned with admiration for the brilliance of Adolf Hitler, the vision and accomplishments of the Third Reich, and the incredible military heroism of the German people. The whole National Socialist period becomes a breathtaking and wonderful national epic for the German people. (Which, of course, it always was.) Take away the Holocaust and the Jews are seen for what they are, a sneaky and snakey little reptilian people, liars and land-thieves and sneak-killers who persuaded big dumb goyim to fight and kill and die for them and then robbed the pennies from the eyes of their dead victims, a race of con artists who have perpetrated the biggest fraud in history. Commander Rockwell once said, "If the peoples of the world ever come to understand what the Jews have done, how they have lied to us all since the end of the war, there will be Jews swinging from every lamp post." He was not wrong. I am utterly convinced that the Jews have a long-overdue settling-up of accounts coming, and it may come sooner than any of us think.
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You know, I've always wondered the question in the OP too. And I've also wondered another question, if a denier accepted, just for a second, the premise that the Holocaust did happen, what would be his thoughts? Well from the quotes drkitten posted it's pretty clear the answer to that would be "they'd be happy." It's pretty clear they want it to happen again. And probably deny that one, too.
 
I've heard sentiments expressed which might be described as: "I don't want to believe human beings could be that terrible." or more specifically, that German people could not be that horrible.
 
drkitten said:
Nizkor.com put it best.



Check the third paragraph of the linked-to document for full context. The actual source is "the National Socialist White Peoples Party, formerly the American Nazi Party."
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Harold Covington did not start the NSWPP. George Lincoln Rockwell renamed the party in 1967 shortly before his assassination. Covington had no right to use the party’s name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Covington

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_White_People's_Party_(1967-1983)
 
Response to Bikewer: at an abandoned 17th or 18th century fort in the North American wilderness, someone carved: "NOUS SOMMES TOUS SAUVAGES." We are all savages. ("Son of the Morning Star," Evan Connell.)

Christopher Browning titled his excellent study of the mass shootings of Jews by German reserves in Poland: "Ordinary Men." That's the point. "Ordinary."
 
Another explanation that applies to all conspiracy theories, but works exceptionally well for deniers - the thrill of possessing secret knowledge. "Everyone else is duped, yet I saw through the smokescreen and arrived at the truth."

I think a little anti-intellectualism fits in their nicely too. "All these people with their fancy educations and diplomas, yet they don't know history like I do."
 
MaGZ said:
Harold Covington did not start the NSWPP. George Lincoln Rockwell renamed the party in 1967 shortly before his assassination. Covington had no right to use the party’s name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Covington

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_White_People's_Party_(1967-1983)
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So what? They are/were:) slime sucking Nazi scum. And please don't chastize me for giving scum a bad name here - have to follow the profanity rule or you would know how I really feel about Nazi murderers born from their fathers well used rectums.
 
It's the BIG LIE.

It works.

When someone says loudly that anything that well known MUST be a fake, people believe them, because obviously, nobody would say something so bizarre were it NOT true.

And we all know governments lie all the time.
And let's face it, Israelis are not the most popular of people in many places, any more than Jews have been for 2000 years, since they nailed wossname to a lamppost.

Wait a minute- wasn't that the Italians?

I never have trusted those pizza munchers...
 
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Well for one reason. Deniers see that the sympathy that the jewish people got from the holocaust was one of the main reasons why the State of Israel was created. State of Israel was created for a sanctuary for all jews all around the world. Know imagine if they could proove that holocaust was fake? And maybe some deniers just want a chance to repeat the horrible things that nazis did to the jews?
 
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