Why Deny?

[Horatius]

Commander Rockwell once said, "If the peoples of the world ever come to understand what the Jews have done, how they have lied to us all since the end of the war, there will be Jews swinging from every lamp post." He was not wrong. I am utterly convinced that the Jews have a long-overdue settling-up of accounts coming, and it may come sooner than any of us think.

Well from the quotes drkitten posted it's pretty clear the answer to that would be "they'd be happy." It's pretty clear they want it to happen again. And probably deny that one, too.

Exactly right. That quote from Rockwell, and Nazi boy's analysis of it, says it all. I forget who is was in the CT section who said, they deny the Holocaust, because they're hoping to get another shot at it.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

But the question did occur to me today: why deny? Specifically, why deny the Holocaust?

Because they have a romantic association with Nazism and the Holocaust and WWII prevents that romantic association from becoming a legitimate political movement again. They need to remove the Holocaust from the equation because people can look at such a repressive regime and their murderous death toll and easily come to this conclusion; "could be me".

 

[ddt]

It's the BIG LIE.

... a propaganda technique first identified by their "great" Leader:

The Big Lie is a propaganda technique. It was defined by Adolf Hitler in his 1925 autobiography Mein Kampf as a lie so "colossal" that no one would believe that someone "could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously".

(from wiki).

 

[aggle-rithm]

Well for one reason. Deniers see that the sympathy that the jewish people got from the holocaust was one of the main reasons why the State of Israel was created. State of Israel was created for a sanctuary for all jews all around the world. Know imagine if they could proove that holocaust was fake? And maybe some deniers just want a chance to repeat the horrible things that nazis did to the jews?

One of the reasons the Holocaust survivors needed sanctuary is that they were ostracized by their fellow Jews. Why? Many Jews around the world had lost family members to the Holocaust, and wondered what these survivors did to escape death. It was widely believed that the best people didn't survive the Holocaust, only the ones willing to lie, cheat, steal, and fornicate to save their own lives.

I wonder why they would get that impression, if the Holocaust never happened?

 

[MaGZ]

... a propaganda technique first identified by their "great" Leader:

(from wiki).

In Mein Kampf Hitler was not an advocate of the Big Lie. Instead, he condemned the Jews for using it.

 

[SDC]

This is one of those moments... I think we can be pretty sure that Magz has read Mein kampf. Heck, he's probably got it memorized. I wonder whether he read the recently published second volume as well. (Seriously, not a joke.)

Pfeh. Magz's copy probably has a lot of pages sticking together. Wash your hands if you pick it up.

 

[ddt]

This is one of those moments... I think we can be pretty sure that Magz has read Mein kampf.

Not needed. It's in the wiki article as well:

It is often erroneously claimed or implied Hitler had advocated the use of the Big Lie as a viable propaganda technique. However, Hitler, when writing of the Big Lie in Mein Kampf, was in fact criticizing "the Jews" for their perceived use of the Big Lie.

So I think you give MaZG much too much credit for actually knowing things.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

In Mein Kampf Hitler was not an advocate of the Big Lie. Instead, he condemned the Jews for using it.

And the Jews to death...seriously...in the book he complained that Germany didn't gas influential Jews during WWI.

 

[drkitten]

In Mein Kampf Hitler was not an advocate of the Big Lie. Instead, he condemned the Jews for using it.

I'd just like to point out the (rather typical) non-responsiveness of this statement.

Does MaGZ try to refute the idea that the "inventor" of the concept of the Big Lie was Hitler? No. Does he try to refute that the Big Lie was one of the central features of Goebbel's propaganda ministry? No. Does he even try to refute the idea that he and his fellow Holocaust deniers are deliberately using the Big Lie in an effort " to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again"? Not in the slightest.

But he points out that a decade before the Holocaust, Hitler condemned someone else for using a powerful propaganda technique.

Naturally, he's hoping that we will get all worked up over this minor issue and ignore the more fundamental issue that, as a Holocaust denier, he is actively participating in a conspiracy to commit mass murder against the Jews.

 

[Kthulhut Fhtagn]

I'd just like to point out the (rather typical) non-responsiveness of this statement.

Does MaGZ try to refute the idea that the "inventor" of the concept of the Big Lie was Hitler? No. Does he try to refute that the Big Lie was one of the central features of Goebbel's propaganda ministry? No. Does he even try to refute the idea that he and his fellow Holocaust deniers are deliberately using the Big Lie in an effort " to make National Socialism an acceptable political alternative again"? Not in the slightest.

But he points out that a decade before the Holocaust, Hitler condemned someone else for using a powerful propaganda technique.

Naturally, he's hoping that we will get all worked up over this minor issue and ignore the more fundamental issue that, as a Holocaust denier, he is actively participating in a conspiracy to commit mass murder against the Jews.

I don't think MaGZ intends to refute anything; from hencepoint where I shall go this sign shall follow.

 

[RobRoy]

Since MaGZ is here, I'd love to hear why he's a denier. What he'd like to see happen as a result of his efforts, and so forth.

 

[SDC]

Since MaGZ is here, I'd love to hear why he's a denier. What he'd like to see happen as a result of his efforts, and so forth.

Good luck.

 

[Father Dagon]

I've heard sentiments expressed which might be described as: "I don't want to believe human beings could be that terrible." or more specifically, that German people could not be that horrible.

Paul Berman adresses that fallacy in Terror and liberalism. The conclusion is that sometimes it's wise to be surprised and not look for rational explanations where none is to be found.

In Mein Kampf Hitler was not an advocate of the Big Lie. Instead, he condemned the Jews for using it.

Too bad that Dr Goebbels didn't read that part of Mein Kampf.

Or he simply didn't care.

 

[SDC]

Good luck.

Sorry for that.

Individuals who express the views Magz does, pure and simple, regard Jews as evil. Some may have religious reasons (Jews killed Jesus), or political ones (Israel is all bad). But it fundamentally comes down to regarding Jews as evil.

It is overwhelmingly irrational. Sure, individual Jews do bad things; Israel is as capable as any other state of doing bad things; but individuals like Magz go well beyond anything of the kind.

I guess I meant to say, good luck at getting a rational answer. Read Magz, read Sunni man, as the best examples 'round here.

Then go try to wash the muck of their views off.

 

[RobRoy]

Sorry for that.

No, not at all. I understand your ire.

I guess I meant to say, good luck at getting a rational answer. Read Magz, read Sunni man, as the best examples 'round here.

Then go try to wash the muck of their views off.

I have read both individuals in the past.

 

[SDC]

Maybe one or both will come to call. Magz seems to have me on ignore, but he gets all perky when he has the chance to expound.

 

[drkitten]

Maybe one or both will come to call. Magz seems to have me on ignore, but he gets all perky when he has the chance to expound.

Oh, he's here already (MaGZ), but he's deliberately not answering, as he knows that anything he types will be refuted almost immediately.

 

[RobRoy]

Oh, he's here already (MaGZ), but he's deliberately not answering, as he knows that anything he types will be refuted almost immediately.

So I probably won't get an answer to my questions from an actual denier. Too bad.

 

[chillzero]

I'm moving this to the correct subforum to discuss conspiracies.

Please do not degenerate the thread into personal issues. Asking a specific member to expand on their opinion is fine. Attacking them because of that opinion is not. Let's keep it civil, and on topic.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: chillzero

 

[chillzero]

Oh, he's here already (MaGZ), but he's deliberately not answering, as he knows that anything he types will be refuted almost immediately.

Facts may be refuted, but there's no way to refute a person's personal opinion. Additionally, it can be educational to learn why a person comes to a specific viewpoint, which I think was the intention of this thread.