Why civilization itself is unsustainable

[Joey McGee]

I got dictionary dot com to boot.

"1.
a particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2.
an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3.
the object of such devotion. "

Let's see, I don't have 1.) as I don't partake in any religious worship, or have any rites or ceremonies.

2.) Nope...can't think of anyone.

3.) Nope, none I can think of there either.

Maybe you can fill me in where I fit the criteria?

Oh please. First of all the wikipedia quote cites The American Journal of Sociology so I'm right about social usage, just move on. Second of all, so you're an admitted antihumanist. What are you pro? Pro nature? Pro Earth? Pro what? Pro nothing? You're pro antihumanist in a cult-like manner that's for sure.

Ah, so some obscure conspiracy theorist website? Oh look, he/she (they?) think Global Warming is a manufactured enemy to trick the populace into Gaia worship. Reminds me of Texe Marrs....

Yep, it's crazy. That's what some people call the Gaia cult. Since you seem to think it's ok if we all die and the earth wins, I'm using that term very loosely when I refer to you.

Well, my point is that it's simply too late to transition as the way things are off the oil, as the Hirsch report concurs. We had to do this 30 years ago..it's too late now.

Your point is actually that we're going to revert to cannibalism and all sorts of crazy ********.

they'll probably mostly die off, from a combination of famine, plagues, collapse of public health agencies and infrastructure, lack of proper medical care, war, and cannibalism.

Really. Where's your evidence for that? Oh right! You just imagine that!

For some reason the rest of the world is busy working on positive solutions to the energy crisis while you sit here and complain. For some reason, the UN and all of the greatest futurist minds are not worried about this happening. Could it be that they have crunched the numbers better than you and aren't full of **** when it comes to understanding their fellow human beings? Antihumanism. Well, probably translates to being antisocial as well? Have fun with that!

 

[TFian]

Well, at least he's moved away from the cult jab. Though pseudo psychological analysis isn't all that much better. An improvement none the less!

 

[Joey McGee]

Well, at least he's moved away from the cult jab. Though pseudo psychological analysis isn't all that much better. An improvement none the less!

I didn't move away from it, your antihumanism and pseudoscientific alarmist behavior is cult-like.

 

[bikerdruid]

Well, at least he's moved away from the cult jab. Though pseudo psychological analysis isn't all that much better. An improvement none the less!

i noticed the shift from "cult" to "cult-like" also....

 

[Joey McGee]

When I look at your fancy, disgusting little piece of filth

What a piece of **** is man, in form and moving, how like a filthy vermin. How like a disgusting bacterium is he. Playing out the grotesque misery of his life, in this world of ours, which is not but a cesspool.

I think wow, this person is deranged, this person is not thinking clearly about the reality of life, this person doesn't understand nature, this person is involved in a pathological offshoot from the rest of species. Reminds me of a cult.

Please explain to me why this is a good thing to have on your profile?

 

[Joey McGee]

i noticed the shift from "cult" to "cult-like" also....

You saw what you wanted to see because you're hypersensitive about your inability to logically defend your outlook.

 

[TFian]

Oh please. First of all the wikipedia quote cites The American Journal of Sociology so I'm right about social usage,

Yeah, wikipedia..gotcha... I prefer the plain dictionary myself.

Second of all, so you're an admitted antihumanist. What are you pro? Pro nature? Pro Earth? Pro what? Pro nothing? You're pro antihumanist in a cult-like manner that's for sure.

I'm not an "anti" humanist because I don't give a **** about humanism to begin with.

Yep, it's crazy. That's what some people call the Gaia cult.

In other words, total ********. Try to find a better source for your "Gaia cult" strawman. I mean seriously, there's better "mainstream" attack sites on environmentalism, you don't have to scour the crapfeed conspiracy theorist websites.

Since you seem to think it's ok if we all die and the earth wins, I'm using that term very loosely when I refer to you.

As long as live goes on in some fashion, I'm fine.

Your point is actually that we're going to revert to cannibalism and all sorts of crazy ********.

Cannibalism is often practiced during severe social collapses. It's a handy skill to learn honestly.

Really. Where's your evidence for that? Oh right! You just imagine that!

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report#Conclusions

For some reason the rest of the world is busy working on positive solutions to the energy crisis while you sit here and complain.

I'll believe it when I see it.

For some reason, the UN and all of the greatest futurist minds are not worried about this happening.

"Greatest" futurists? Oh, those people who are oftenWrong?

Could it be that they have crunched the numbers better than you and aren't full of **** when it comes to understanding their fellow human beings?

No.

Antihumanism. Well, probably translates to being antisocial as well? Have fun with that!

Actually I get along just fine socially, thank you.

 

[TFian]

i noticed the shift from "cult" to "cult-like" also....

Yeah I noticed that too, he keeps moving the goalposts.

 

[bikerdruid]

You belong to a cult that uses nature worship and anti-humanism as a dopamine fueled escape from the difficult work of improving quality of life on earth, which I find disgusting and pathological.

No you don't like it because it is against the cult?

You're simply abandoning reason to go along with your cult beliefs because that's giving a huge reward to your brain.

The doomday antihumanists? People who fearmonger about oil and hate humanity because of the imaginary apocolypse we're about to bring on ourselves? In general the Gaia cult?

then your change your tune to accuse him of being cult-like...

Every cult-like group that doesn't have a specific leader has learned to make this argument. If you prefer I shall declare you pseudoscientific group thinkers with a pathological element.

You saw what you wanted to see because you're hypersensitive about your inability to logically defend your outlook.

that looks like a shift from 'cult' to 'cult-like' to me...

 

[TFian]

Reminds me of a cult.

A forum signature reminds you of a cult?

Please explain to me why this is a good thing to have on your profile?

What's your issue with it? You seem to be really upset by it.

 

[Joey McGee]

Yeah, wikipedia..gotcha... I prefer the plain dictionary myself.

You refuse to accept evidence that the word "cult" can mean more than you thought it does. Just trying to educate you, enjoy your delusions!

I'm not an "anti" humanist because I don't give a **** about humanism to begin with.

I asked you what you are pro? What are you for? Nothing?

In other words, total ********. Try to find a better source for your "Gaia cult" strawman. I mean seriously, there's better "mainstream" attack sites on environmentalism, you don't have to scour the crapfeed conspiracy theorist websites.

You asked me what the Gaia cult was So I showed you. I said there are many ways that people reference the "gaia hypotheses" so it's you that's building the strawman against my argument. You think that people are ****, you think that we're going towards an apocalypse, and you believe this based on pseudoscience. That's bad. Instead of defend yourself, you've chosen to instead argue about my usage of a word.

Nope.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report#Conclusions

a) What do those conclusions have to do with "a combination of famine, plagues, collapse of public health agencies and infrastructure, lack of proper medical care, war, and cannibalism" Huh? b) That report is almost 7 years old now.

I'll believe it when I see it.

Why don't you do something to try and help people Mr. Antihumanist?

"Greatest" futurists? Oh, those people who are oftenWrong?

Yeah so futurist are worthless so, you and all of your arguments about the future are too?

 

[tyr_13]

then your change your tune to accuse him of being cult-like...





that looks like a shift from 'cult' to 'cult-like' to me...

Semantic splitting of hairs is not goal post moving. Some aspects of the movement advocated are cult-like which leads to that movement being labeled a cult. This is patently obvious. Cults are cult-like.

At any rate, it's a position supported purely by ideology and not by clear evaluation of evidence.

 

[Joey McGee]

then your change your tune to accuse him of being cult-like...





that looks like a shift from 'cult' to 'cult-like' to me...

tyr_13 said it, thanks.

I'm trying to get him to understand the usage of the word and the meaning behind it. You have misread my attempts to explain as goal-post moving. Thanks for the effort in trying to keep me honest tho

 

[Joey McGee]

You're like a fallacy generator.

A forum signature reminds you of a cult?

So you're trying to ridicule my disgust over your antihumanist prayer?

What's your issue with it? You seem to be really upset by it.

I should not be disgusted by people who hate humanity? Answer my question these are copouts.

Explain that quote in detail for us all. Is it a joke? Do you believe it? Are you asking me these questions because you're insecure about sharing? Especially here where your ideas are clearly not supported, and with me, actively disliked.

 

[TFian]

You asked me what the Gaia cult was So I showed you.

Based on a conspiracy theorist website that believes environmentalism is an attempt at one world pagan government. Yeah, that's credible!

a) What do those conclusions have to do with "a combination of famine, plagues, collapse of public health agencies and infrastructure, lack of proper medical care, war, and cannibalism"

It has to do in general with societal collapse.

Huh? b) That report is almost 7 years old now.

And just as valid.

Why don't you do something to try and help people Mr. Antihumanist?

Sure, Mr. Charity.

Yeah so futurist are worthless so,

Indeed they are worthless.

 

[Joey McGee]

Based on a conspiracy theorist website that believes environmentalism is an attempt at one world pagan government. Yeah, that's credible!

You missed my attempt at fun too. Oh well.

It has to do in general with societal collapse.

Translation: I think that will happen because it makes sense that it would.

And just as valid.

No it's not, obviously any new studies would trump it. No new research on peak oil and the energy crisis since 2005? Is this the garbage you are trying to sell me?

Sure, Mr. Charity.

Antihumanist is a grave insult and always will be. Charity is the highest virtue.

Indeed they are worthless.

Than so are your predictions by definition, I'm talking about the same type of people, you have contradicted yourself and can now take the rest of the night off.

 

[TFian]

No it's not, obviously any new studies would trump it. No new research on peak oil and the energy crisis since 2005? Is this the garbage you are trying to sell me?

Then demonstrate it. The Hirsch report to date is the most authoritative one.

Antihumanist is a grave insult and always will be.

Grave insult? I've heard barely literate Africans give better insults!

Than so are your predictions by definition, I'm talking about the same type of people, you have contradicted yourself and can now take the rest of the night off.

I see the point flew over your head, again.

 

[TFian]

So you're trying to ridicule my disgust over your antihumanist prayer?

I have no prayers.

I should not be disgusted by people who hate humanity?

Whatever floats your boat.

Explain that quote in detail for us all.

Explain what in detail? What needs "explaining"?

Is it a joke? Do you believe it?

What? That humans are **** Yes.

Are you asking me these questions because you're insecure about sharing?

No, I just find it humorous you've put so much focus on it.

 

[bikerdruid]

No, I just find it humorous you've put so much focus on it.

it is a parody of hamlet's , "what a piece of work is man," soliloquy.

 

[TFian]

it is a parody of hamlet's , "what a piece of work is man," soliloquy.

Somebody remembered their classical English