Why Cindy Sheehan is Right!

[a_unique_person]

In what way are they cut from the same cloth? It seems to me to be simply a demonisation process by associating this woman with the biggest racist goon you could find. But such is life when you choose to speak up....

LGF makes it quite clear, she is just a nazi who deserves to be pilloried.

 

[crimresearch]

Who is LGF?

 

[RandFan]

Who is LGF?

Little Green Footballs

 

[Manny]

I'm with the Fool here. Sheehan is a mother who is exercising her right of free speech, perhaps to her detriment and in a less than reasonable way.

David Duke is an Ex-Klan leader and still White Supremicist whose ideology is hate and racism.

Guess I'm dense on Monday mornings, but seem's you have some explaining to do, Mycroft...

Ms. Sheehan has described terrorist Lynne Stewart as "her Atticus Finch." She's absolutely every bit as far out there as Duke, just in the opposite direction.

 

[a_unique_person]

DId you know she also

Cindy endorsed the San Francisco citywide measure known as “College Not Combat,” which would encourage the city’s high schools to deny military recruiters access to their student directories, from which they seek military enlistments. The fact that the cause she championed in the name of “the children” would be a violation of section 9528 of the “No Child Left Behind” Act, an infraction punishable by the revocation of federal education funds, did not cause her or her ideological comrades to bat an eye.

That's amazing, you are breaking federal law by wanting to stop the use of the "No Child Left Behind" education act to recruit children to the military. I don't know what else is true or not about this yet, but that you could hold this up as an example of someone to hate is amazing.

 

[Mycroft]

I'm with the Fool here. Sheehan is a mother who is exercising her right of free speech, perhaps to her detriment and in a less than reasonable way.

David Duke is an Ex-Klan leader and still White Supremicist whose ideology is hate and racism.

Guess I'm dense on Monday mornings, but seem's you have some explaining to do, Mycroft...

What's to explain? You can sympathize with her grief, and I do, but there is a reason David Duke backs her and that reason is an overlapping region of pure woo wooism.

I'm sorry if pointing this out gores someone's sacred cow, but isn't that what skepticism is all about?

 

[crimresearch]

....That's amazing, you are breaking federal law by wanting to stop the use of the "No Child Left Behind" education act to recruit children to the military. I don't know what else is true or not about this yet, but that you could hold this up as an example of someone to hate is amazing.

That would be fascinating...if it were remotely true.

But since there is no federal law making it a crime to 'want' children to go to college instead of the the military, and since no one here has held Sheehan up as an example of someone to hate, I'll just call it 'fantastic'.

 

[billydkid]

Bull

My opinion is Sheehan and Duke are kooks cut from the same cloth. The only difference being that Sheehan's can be partly excused from grief.

Duke is a racist and an antisemite. There is no similarity between the two. This is a typical tack - discredit the person rather than address the arguments. This is the same sort of strategy used against Scott what's his name - the UN inspector who made every effort to tell the American people there were no WMD's and that excuse for going to war was a false one. The media and the adminstration did all they could to paint him as a whacko.

 

[billydkid]

Ok so....

It is difficult to laugh at the emotional struggles of a mom who lost her son in a senseless war. There seem to be plenty of people who would like to manipulate her for their pov.

Like this: It must be unbearable for her to realize that there is no reason at all for the war. Not even some weird conspiracy about Israel. A conspiracy would at least mean that someone was on the ball. That we are on a fool's errand is too hard to take.

Sorry, seriously...

Bush met with her already and has nothing to gain by meeting again. He is personally meeting with lots of the grieving widows and they do not seem to be 'screened' for only those who support him.

I am a little curious about the toll of this 'personal visit' strategy on both him and the soldier's families. Maybe he thinks of it as a kind of 'strong leader penance'. Something tough guys do.



Or maybe he's starting to crack up.

So this is about how much Bush has to gain. It seems to me his entire administration has been about what Bush has to gain. Somehow, that doesn't fit my notion of what a "public servant" is.

 

[billydkid]

another opinion

http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer116.html

 

[billydkid]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/kwiatkowski/kwiatkowski119.html

 

[billydkid]

http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/moore-r2.html

 

[Grammatron]

Re: Ok so....

So this is about how much Bush has to gain. It seems to me his entire administration has been about what Bush has to gain. Somehow, that doesn't fit my notion of what a "public servant" is.

How would him meeting her again serve the public? It seems she, as an individual, is the only one who has something to gain from this meeting or from her not having a meeting. Either way she "wins."

 

[Mycroft]

Re: Bull

Originally posted by billydkid
Duke is a racist and an antisemite. There is no similarity between the two.

Sure there is. Her woo wooism.

Originally posted by billydkid
This is a typical tack - discredit the person rather than address the arguments.

Cindy Sheehan has no argument to discredit. She's just a pawn whos status as a grieving mother is being exploited to embarass the President.

Lew Rockwell? C'mon.

 

[LostAngeles]

Crude imagery aside, it's kinda what we do here, isn't it?



I'm not sure I understand your meaning here, but I guarantee I won't report you for it.

Not exactly. Well, not most of us. Some of us.

Duke's all over this thing because he thinks he can use it to advance his hate agenda. I used crude imagery because... does he really deserve better than that? What was he? Grand Dragon, Grand Wizard?

 

[daredelvis]

The Fool is ignoring the fact that Sheehan already had her meeting with Bush, and was given her opportunity to 'speak up'...and she initially chose to give a positive report of that meeting.
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What is your source for this statement? I am going to guess that it starts with a "D" and ends with "rudge".

Daredelvis

 

[daredelvis]

What's to explain? You can sympathize with her grief, and I do, but there is a reason David Duke backs her and that reason is an overlapping region of pure woo wooism.

I'm sorry if pointing this out gores someone's sacred cow, but isn't that what skepticism is all about?

On that note one could point out that many readers and contributors of LGF make David Duke look like Mother Teresa. I am sure that there is some overlap in their views (woo wooism to some (ok me)) with yours. Do I have to draw a map?

Your attempt to associate Sheehan with Duke is typical of the rights smear campaigns of any one who dares to question our Dear Leader. But, I would say that you have taken it to even a higher level. Bravo!

Daredelvis

 

[RandFan]

Well, she's becoming quite the cause célèbre. I'm torn on this one. I champion free speech and protest. Even protest that I disagree with. I want to say "you go girl" but I can't help but think she is being manipulated for political purposes. Yeah, I know, cynical but I don't put it past any group to exploit the emotions of someone that has lost a child to score poltical points.

Still she is an adult and it is her choice. Also, she has a buffer from too harsh criticism due to her situation and she is in a great position to exploit that. It's her right and it is really scoring points at the moment. So, you go Cindy. Enjoy the 15 minutes. I know it will never make up for your loss which is quite real. I say that with all sincerity and I'm very glad that brave young people like your son are willing to volunteer to serve their country.

 

[demon]

The campaign Cindy's part of is asking the questions the media prefer not to ask.
As with Reg Keys in the UK, they'd rather write it off as "grief-stricken" and "emotional" when it's actually "eyes wide open" and "caring" respectively, as opposed to the media's habitual turning a blind eye and cocking a deaf ear.

As usual, some parts of the state machinery swing into action to mock any attempt by the "little people" to give real meaning to the concept of democracy.

quote:
The Savaging of Cindy Sheehan
Matthew Rothschild
August 11, 2005

The shameless savaging of Cindy Sheehan continues.

Bill O’Reilly says she’s a tool of “far left elements.”

The New York Sun echoes the charge, evidently reading the same rightwing talking points.

In an editorial on August 11, it says Sheehan “has put herself in league with some extreme groups and individuals.”

This is old-style McCarthyism, straight on down to the red-baiting.

The editorial quotes Sheehan about some of the groups she’s involved with, including Code Pink, Veterans for Peace, and Military Families Speak Out.

It then notes that these groups are on the steering committee of United for Peace and Justice, along with the Communist Party USA. (A person representing that party is one of the forty-one members who was voted onto the steering committee.)

This classic guilt-by-association trope just shows the reflexive response of the right: When your critic has credibility, and you can’t find anything else on her, destroy her with the old standby: You’re a communist dupe!

The Sun also points out that Sheehan is working with the Crawford Peace House, and it says that group’s website “includes a photo depicting the entire state of Israel as Palestine.” Actually, it depicts a protester holding a sign showing four maps of what is now Israel and the Occupied Territories, noting how Palestinians have been allowed less and less land over the past 60 years.

“Nobody is anti-Israel here,” says John Wolf, one of the founders of the Crawford Peace House. “We’re just asking for peace with justice and respect for international law.”

But for the New York Sun, the Crawford Peace House’s view of the Israel-Palestine conflict is convenient enough to tar Cindy Sheehan with.

Rightwing talk show host Phil Hendrie goes even lower, writing an article amazingly entitled “Anti-War Mom: Another Ignorant Cow,” Hendrie called Sheehan a “self-righteous ignoramus,” and then went into full mockery mode: “A mother grieving her loss. The inhumanity of war. Oh, the wickedness of it all.”

I’ve seen callousness before, but this piece may top them all. And catch Hendrie’s defense of the Iraq War: “This war was unavoidable, brought on by an historic clash of culture and ideal, powered by the American people themselves, rising to meet the future, pissing off the rag heads.” Rag heads?

By the way, Hendrie’s screed was posted on the website, freerepublic.com, which calls itself “the premier online gathering place for independent, grassroots conservatism on the web.”

Sheehan responds to her critics: “Nothing you can say can hurt me or make me stop what we are doing. We are working for peace with justice. We are using peaceful means and the truth to do it.”
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No wonder the LGF bigots hate and insult her.
More on Cindy Sheehan:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/

 

[Hutch]

On that note one could point out that many readers and contributors of LGF make David Duke look like Mother Teresa. I am sure that there is some overlap in their views (woo wooism to some (ok me)) with yours. Do I have to draw a map?

Your attempt to associate Sheehan with Duke is typical of the rights smear campaigns of any one who dares to question our Dear Leader. But, I would say that you have taken it to even a higher level. Bravo!

Daredelvis

Thank you daredelvis, you explained it better than I could.

Once cannot hope but notice that of those backing her and those opposing her (and example of both are cited here and can be found in abundance throught the simplest of Googles), you, Mycroft, pick the one that has the least to do with her, is the most Anti-Semetic (which of course has absolutely nothing to do with any of you other posts in politics) and then make the connection of

pure woo wooism.

Pray tell, how do you define woo wooism in her instance? That she has some out-there political 'friends' and is determined beyond a point that 99% of us would not be shows many things including possibel questionable jusdgement, but woo wooism?

I remain unconvinced.