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"Why can't we hate men?"

d4m10n said:
Awful broad range of behaviours in that list. I'd be surprised if you've never encountered any of them IRL.
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Just read the list. I can say with certainty that I have never encountered any of them IRL. It does not surprise me that Zig, and doubtless many others, have not either. Appears to speak to the type of people you socialize with.
 
d4m10n said:
You've never once heard men engaged in slut-shaming? Must be nice.
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Can you tell me which number on that list you're referring to as "slut-shaming"? Because if you're, for instance, referring to #10: "all women are sluts", that's a different thing.
 
Roboramma said:
Can you tell me which number on that list you're referring to as "slut-shaming"? Because if you're, for instance, referring to #10: "all women are sluts", that's a different thing.
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There is a spectrum from everyday slut-shaming to full-on Dr. Dre style dismissal of all women as sluts. I've heard it all at some point, mostly in my wayward youth. Good for you if you've managed to avoid it.
 
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d4m10n said:
I don't recall saying there was only one place where I encountered incel-type attitudes. You may have read that part in by mistake.
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It's the only place you listed. I listed all the places I live in on a daily basis. I haven't encountered those attitudes anywhere. Not even in the locker room at the gym (which I'm ashamed to say I don't visit daily).

So again I ask you, where are you spending all your time, that you think these kinds of attitudes are commonplace?
 
d4m10n said:
You've never once heard men engaged in slut-shaming? Must be nice.
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Meh. Mostly I just take it for granted. A few years back I had a co-worker who had a habit of objectifying women in conversation. I told him I didn't want to hear it, and after that he kept those opinions to himself (at least around me). Does that count?

Again, decades of experience living out in the real world, interacting with people in all kinds of contexts, and I've never encountered the kind of incel rhetoric you seem to be talking about. I have no idea why you think it's prevalent, or where you spend your time that you encounter it so much.
 
d4m10n said:
There is a spectrum from everyday slut-shaming to full-on Dr. Dre style dismissal of all women as sluts. I've heard it all at some point, mostly in my wayward youth. Good for you if you've managed to avoid it.
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And if someone says that they haven't seen any examples of the latter in real life acting like that's outrageous because of course they've seen the former is disingenuous.

Were you incredulous that Ziggurat had never heard someone calling all women sluts?
 
Roboramma said:
Were you incredulous that Ziggurat had never heard someone calling all women sluts?
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Mildly so. I've heard sweeping generalizations like "men are trash," and "Muslims are dangerous" fairly regularly.

theprestige said:
I have no idea why you think it's prevalent, or where you spend your time that you encounter it so much.
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If we made a list of common incel memes, some of them would be relatively rare and some of them would be relatively commonplace. Sounds like a project for another thread, though.
 
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d4m10n said:
Don't recall saying that I've encountered them frequently in everyday adult life. Care to pull a quote?
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At this point, I'm pretty sure you've never encountered them at all. Here's a quote:

Ziggurat said:
d4m10n said:
You are clearly full of ****, and short on life experience.
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Tell us all about your life experience. Regale us with tales of bravely confronting incels.
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Ziggurat asked you describe your actual process, when encountering them in everyday adult life. That's a trivial question to answer, if you've actually had such encounters. Instead, here we are. Hell, I can go for years without having the kind of encounter we're talking about. But I can still tell you how I handled such an encounter, the last time I had one.

Why can't you do the same?
 
d4m10n said:
Why is anger the best response to someone who glorifies violence against others for the sake of their own gratification?

Think about it.

If someone is committed to do violence, they must be met with violence.

In a world of pacifists, a single knife-wielding maniac can take a major city all by themselves.
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Anger does not increase your ability to commit violence, or commit it well. In fact every single bit of data on the subject suggests otherwise. If you are saying you need to be able to deal violence then you need to train in various combat techniques, and learn to suppress your anger to make the best tactical decisions.

Read the art of war , a decent chunk of the book deals with how to take advantage of an opponent who gets angry. If you want some more modern studies by all means there are hundreds of books easily available on tactics throughout history (huge interest of mine, obviously not one of yours. ) but you seem to quite obviously misunderstand tactics for violence leading you to make poor decisions in regards to committing it.

So now that you know, as a rational person you will be changing your stance? Or are you more tactically adept than every voice on tactics for the past couple thousand years? If so, write a book I'd love to read it.
 
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