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"Why can't we hate men?"

Roboramma said:
If you want to support your assertion you'll have to actually give the evidence. What percentage of incels have made statements that are in-line with what you say?
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Better yet, put the goalposts back where they originally were and aim for that: what percentage of people who say women prefer bad guys over nice ones have made such statements?.... including the incels, volcels, noncels, and women who say it (particularly that last category, because that's who I actually hear it from the most and the one for whom the explanation would be the most... interesting).
 
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Ziggurat said:
No, that is not correct. It may have been picked up by the Atheism+ community/Freethought Blogs crowd, but it didn't start with them. And it became an effective insult because the people who used it to describe themselves were ridiculous. Absent that mockery-worthy behavior, the term wouldn't have caught on as an insult, even if (like all insults) it's now used too broadly.
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That is pretty much how I remember it.

Kind of back fire
 
d4m10n said:
Anger is an evolutionary adaptation.

Shouldn't take too much imagination to guess why.
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That didn't explain how the anger is doing anything good. Try harder instead of retreating, I know you can.

Also check the impact of stress and anger on combat performance for a brief understanding of how high emotion negatively effects decision making.
 
Mumbles said:
Well, no, since "SJW" is a meaningless attempt to insult, while "incel" is a voluntary self-label. It's actually much closer to "skeptic", actually.
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Look up the history of a term before you look silly next time.
 
Replace incel with death metal or violent video game fan and this sounds like the same **** I heard around the columbine era.

And that's because it's the same type of people saying it, ink this time is left wing instead of right wing.

At the end we will have news reports, threads, and maybe even some pop culture references about the incel menace (remember all the very special episodes about the trench coat wearing friend gearing up to do something stupid and getting talked down? ) a group of already sad wankers will take some more ****, and we will be no closer to figuring out why people do this **** than back then.

But no, because it's a group you don't like, this is the issue, they are the enemy, and if they can just be squashed mass violence will be crippled if not eliminated.


Or we could stop trying to use mass tragedy to stick it to people we don't like and look at mass killers instead of whoever seems creepy and strange to the current social zeitgeist.

Just a *********** thought.
 
Incel is a self-identification label in most cases, not a media label.

After Columbine, my son's school had a huge debate on whether he would be allowed to wear his black London Fog overcoat to school. They eventually decided it was fine, because it didn't have a belt. Zero tolerance or zero sense?
 
deadrose said:
Incel is a self-identification label in most cases, not a media label.

After Columbine, my son's school had a huge debate on whether he would be allowed to wear his black London Fog overcoat to school. They eventually decided it was fine, because it didn't have a belt. Zero tolerance or zero sense?
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The social flow at the time found heavy metal strange and wanted to stop it, so they tried.

The social flow now hates sad white men, so they try again.

It isn't a left wing issue or a right wing issue, it's the simple fact that ******** have the loudest voices.

Anyone want to change that?
 
theprestige said:
That still doesn't explain how the anger is doing anything good.
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I'm not obligated to explain that which ought to be bleeding obvious. Any universal adaptation increased our forbears' genetic fitness in some way. This one isn't all that tricky to suss out.
 
d4m10n said:
I'm not obligated to explain that which ought to be bleeding obvious. Any universal adaptation increased our forbears' genetic fitness in some way. This one isn't all that tricky to suss out.
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This doesn't actually make sense. Yes, the capacity for anger has evolutionary advantages. That does not mean that its manifestation is always advantageous. Traits which provide benefits in some conditions can still be harmful in others. Evolution doesn't, and in fact cannot, ensure that all traits are always positive.

You are correct that sometimes anger is the appropriate reaction. But (obviously) sometimes it's not the appropriate reaction. So it is left unspecified when it is appropriate and when it is not. Better yet would be the answer of when it is productive and when it is not.
 
luchog said:
"SJW", aka "Social Justice Warrior" was (as I recall) coined by the Atheism+ community/Freethought Blogs crowd, to describe their own ostensible activism (which generally amount to little more than whinging on the Internet). It was picked up by conservative/right wing types, and used to ridicule or dismiss anyone who dared call them out on their bigotry.
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Eh, I don't recall them using it much either, although I didn't pay them much concern, and neither did anybody else outside of skeptic groups. At this point, even white nationalists call each other "SJWs" as an insult, and actual activists will joke that they're a "social justice mage/druid/bard". Very few people ever actually called themselves "SJW"s at any point, which is why it typically drew confused looks compared to the far more familiar "activist". People who just now are moving into "skepticism", meanwhile, are often shoved out when they discuss any social issue by howls of "Atheism+" and "SJW!", particularly on Youtube, Reddit, and the like.

The term "Incel" is just barely hitting any sort of real awareness outside of self-titled online groups and small real-life groups. And to the extent people know of it now, it's due to the handful of mass murderers, so as far as most people care, it's just awful misogynists online who occasionally become murderous. that's closer to "skeptic" - we know it, some people outside of these groups will correctly identify it and some will mention conspiracy theories, but there are actual groups of "skeptics" that people can go to and learn about various subgroups.
 
Until one of them made the news, I always knew "incel" as an insult used by the pick-up artist community for people who aren't good enough at picking-up, not anything anybody would ever call himself.
 
Ziggurat said:
Does that require anger? I don't see why it would.
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The thinkpieces I've read so far appear well-designed to incite feelings of anger and expressions of moral condemnation. Even if they were straight journalism, though, I would say anger is the best response to people who glorify rape.
 
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d4m10n said:
The thinkpieces I've read so far appear well-designed to incite feelings of anger and expressions of moral condemnation. Even if they were straight journalism, though, I would say anger is the best response to people who glorify rape.
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Why is anger towards someone you will never meet or interact with the best response?
 
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