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"Why can't we hate men?"

d4m10n said:
You aren't reading carefully enough.
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That isn't an answer. I don't think you've actually met "men like those". You certainly haven't claimed to.

It's also a goalpost move. Anger and hatred are not the same. But more importantly, there's a difference between something being an acceptable response and being the best response. So why is anger the best response?
 
Ziggurat said:
So why is anger the best response?
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Why is anger the best response to someone who glorifies violence against others for the sake of their own gratification?

Think about it.

If someone is committed to do violence, they must be met with violence.

In a world of pacifists, a single knife-wielding maniac can take a major city all by themselves.
 
d4m10n said:
Why is anger the best response to someone who glorifies violence against others for the sake of their own gratification?

Think about it.

If someone is committed to do violence, they must be met with violence.
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Oh, don't mistake me for a pacifist. I'm not, not even close. If someone tries to rape someone else, using violence to prevent that rape is completely justified.

But this answer is still nonsense. You aren't going to meet any of these people, with or without violence. This is just internet bravado. In fact, what they say is likely just internet bravado too. They are saying reprehensible things, but most of them won't do anything, and you aren't facing any of the ones that will.

So this still doesn't answer my question.
 
d4m10n said:
I mentioned both in the same paragraph upthread. Don't act like I just now changed the subject.
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It doesn't matter if you previously talked about hatred. I asked about anger. Responding about hatred isn't an answer to a question about anger.
 
d4m10n said:
You are clearly full of ****, and short on life experience.
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That's a remarkably weak argument.

But go on. Tell us all about your life experience. Regale us with tales of bravely confronting incels.
 
d4m10n said:
You've seriously never heard people say things that the incels say in earnest?
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No, I haven't. I hang out with better people than you do, evidently. But tell me: how productive is it to get angry at them? Have you accomplished anything by doing so?

How's life at the feminist bookshop?
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I wouldn't know. I don't hang out with feminists either.

How many feminists does it take to change a lightbulb?
THAT'S NOT FUNNY! :mad:
 
d4m10n said:
What is your preferred approach for people who glorify sexual violence?
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I don't meet such people. So what do you suggest I do? Shout at them on Twitter?

And you didn't answer my question. If you have met such people, what happens when you get angry at them? I'm honestly curious.
 
Ziggurat said:
If you have met such people, what happens when you get angry at them? I'm honestly curious.
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People don't often think for themselves. If the consensus in the room is that everyone is angry and/or disdainful, they tend to back down quickly.

What's your plan for these guys, though? Haven't heard it yet.
 
d4m10n said:
You've seriously never heard people say things that the incels say in earnest? How's life at the feminist bookshop?
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I'm curious: Between riding the train, being at work, visiting my extended family (including in-laws and in-laws of in-laws), and hanging out at the neighborhood bar, I've *never* heard people say anything like what you're talking about. Even the crazy guy who stands around ranting on the sidewalk outside the neighborhood bar doesn't say that stuff. I think? He's pretty incoherent, so maybe he does?

Where are you hanging out, that you hear this kind of thing so much that you think it's a common experience?
 
theprestige said:
Where are you hanging out, that you hear this kind of thing so much that you think it's a common experience?
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Depends on what you mean by "this kind of thing," really. Violent ideation is relatively rare, slut-shaming is relatively common.
 
d4m10n said:
People don't often think for themselves. If the consensus in the room is that everyone is angry and/or disdainful, they tend to back down quickly.

What's your plan for these guys, though? Haven't heard it yet.
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I haven't needed a plan, since, as I said, I don't meet people like that. In the unlikely event that I do, I guess I'll wing it.

And is this just your plan, or have you actually done it? And does it do anything to actually change their mind, or does it just make them shut up about it when you're around?
 
Ziggurat said:
And is this just your plan, or have you actually done it?
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Of course I've actually done it. What a daft question.

Ziggurat said:
And does it do anything to actually change their mind, or does it just make them shut up about it when you're around?
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Hard to say, really. People have grown up quite a bit since we were young men in basic training, spouting off with silly ideas about what women are like and how best to treat them.
 
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