Why Can't They Figure it Out?

[Tokenconservative]

America. Where we take in your tired, your poor, your huddled masses? Remember all that? People tend to forget that, unless you are pure Navajo, your family is not native either. And before you say "at least my ancestors came here legally", you might want to check what the legal requirements were like then as opposed to now.

"Neither should the other kind"?! As you point out, our Constitution says they should, so therefore they should. "Right now"? Are you petitioning your Congressmen for an amendment? If you believe this, then you should be. Good luck with that.

I said "they have as much of a right to healthcare as do yours". The right to be cared for as American citizens. The right not to be turned away from a hospital.

Did you know that you also pay for those adults who are legal citizens but can't afford healh insurance? They aren't turned away either, you are paying for them...why don't you rant and rally about that, too? Why just immigrants?

And once again, you should really review a teacher's benefits plan before you comment on it.

Funny, you demand links and evidence for our position without giving any for your own.

Before teaching, I worked in the food service industry in many capacities for many years. I can unequivocably say, without hesitation, that at about 80% of the places I worked, the illegals were paid less than anyone else would have been for the same job. In most of these jobs, I had access to the records, and in two of those jobs I did the payroll.

Hmmm...so we should just throw open our borders to anyone who can cross them? How many would be enough? 200 million? 500? A billion? As a Good Liberal, do you have any idea what that would do to our environment?

LOL....yep, petitioning my Congressman. Um...why?

Only if they ARE citizens should they have the right to "free" healthcare. And all the hospitals and emegency rooms that've shut down in Texas, AZ, NM, CA, NV, CO etc., have not done so because of winos and old people flooding them. It's because of illegals. And please, don't be such a liberal. Use the correct term: we are not talking about the tired, the poor, etc., nor are we talking about immigrants. We are talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

I've reviewed the teacher's pay and bennies plan where I live. An auto worker in 1980 would be embarassed by it.

So...you admit that you were a party to an illegal act, the knowning employment of someone not here legally and therefore not legally entitled to hold a job here?

What did you do about that? Did you turn the joint in? Did you fire the illegal? Or just hire more?

And why were you, a good, caring liberal, a party to exploiting these poor "Hispanic immigrants" simply seeking a better life and doing the jobs "Americans won't do!!"?

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Oooh, classy! A suggestion that I take drugs!

So, let's go back to the assumptions about me:

1) I'm an anarchist. Wrong.
2) I put "bits of metal" into my body. Wrong.
3) I've never had a job or a paycheck. Wrong.
4) I abuse drugs. Wrong.

Hmm...

If it's an art form, you're the Microsoft Paint version.

Okay. I'm up for some modification:
1. You TALK like an Anarchist, and believe a lot of the same things they do,
2. You present information in a way that forces others to infer this, that or the other thing so that when they do you can shriek "wrong!",
3. You claimed to have made a payroll, and now you say that that's equivalent to having had a job,
4. You may not abuse drugs, but it's clear you are not unfamiliar with them....

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Okay. I'm up for some modification:
1. You TALK like an Anarchist, and believe a lot of the same things they do

1. You have yet to "show your work" and demonstrate, exactly, what I "share".

2. You present information in a way that forces others to infer this, that or the other thing so that when they do you can shriek "wrong!"

2. Ah, yes, the shriek of "You're deliberately fooling meeeeee! It's not that I make snap judgments of people I meet online, it's all your fault! You're fooling MEEEEE!"

You assume that if people support something being made legal, you then assume that they partake of such a thing themselves. You assume that if someone talks about their parents, then they must be "liberal". You assume that if people don't worship businesses and suggest that some may actually be corrupt (GASP!), they must be "liberal" or "anarchist". You make lots of assumptions, it's no wonder people like me are so good at "fooling" you.

3. You claimed to have made a payroll, and now you say that that's equivalent to having had a job

3. I did have a job. I got paid for doing it.

4. You may not abuse drugs, but it's clear you are not unfamiliar with them....

4. It's called wikipedia, or research. Please demonstrate where I show familiarity with drugs, though.

C'mon, if your snap judgments me have any actual rhyme or reason to them, surely it won't be difficult to demonstrate them. Though you've ran away from any challenge to do so. Will you do it again here?

 

[Paul C. Anagnostopoulos]

You are not howling, you are shrieking. Ergo, you are a leftist.

You really ought to stop taking those armchair psychologist pills. Is there some sort of prize for jumping to conclusions about people?

Hmm...no classes 'til Monday...shouldn't you be cleaning your bong or something?

How many points do you have to accumulate to win that prize?

~~ Paul

 

[Tokenconservative]

1. You have yet to "show your work" and demonstrate, exactly, what I "share".

2. Ah, yes, the shriek of "You're deliberately fooling meeeeee! It's not that I make snap judgments of people I meet online, it's all your fault! You're fooling MEEEEE!"

You assume that if people support something being made legal, you then assume that they partake of such a thing themselves. You assume that if someone talks about their parents, then they must be "liberal". You assume that if people don't worship businesses and suggest that some may actually be corrupt (GASP!), they must be "liberal" or "anarchist". You make lots of assumptions, it's no wonder people like me are so good at "fooling" you.


3. I did have a job. I got paid for doing it.

4. It's called wikipedia, or research. Please demonstrate where I show familiarity with drugs, though.

C'mon, if your snap judgments me have any actual rhyme or reason to them, surely it won't be difficult to demonstrate them. Though you've ran away from any challenge to do so. Will you do it again here?

Um...no, actually, I don't. I checked the TOS...nothing in there about that.

Actually, I don't think you are doing it deliberately, but you are a product of your environment. You've been trained to exercise a sort of smarmy dishonesty in things you say, which then allows you to say, that no, in fact, you din't say that. And that's what you do. You'll make a good politician some day.

LOL. Yeah, no wonder. I calls 'em like I sees 'em. You is what you is...you can call yourself a ham sandwhich, but that doesn't mean that's what you are.

Yes, I know you said you had a job. Having a job and getting paid for it is not the same. I guess my terminology has confused you. I mean you were not the guy signing the paychecks; you were BEING paid, not the one PAYING others to do a job.

Yeah..um, not sure whether you've heard, but Wiki is pretty much considered fairly unreliable.

And this last challenge(?) sorta kinda puts paid to the question of whether or not you um...imbibe.

Tokie

 

[Zep]

I have never called myself anything but a most pedestrian master of the English language.

"Master"? "MASTER"??!!

4. I am not a maniac.

Tokie

 

[ZirconBlue]

Is there some sort of prize for jumping to conclusions about people?

Maybe he has a "Jump to Conclusions" mat.

 

[Gnu Ordure]

What I have claimed is to be old enough (now) to have EXPERIENCED some things that my mere longer presence on this mortal coil has permitted, whereas some younger person may--probably--has not.

Experience still has to be learned from, it's not sufficient on its own.

For example, look at Token's usage of 'this mortal coil' in that sentence.

He's using 'coil' in the sense of 'world' or 'Earth', but it doesn't mean that. It means strife and suffering, and is used in the sense of a burden which has to be carried (or put down, eventually).

This a small point of course, but Token says he has a degree in English Literature. Presumably he has encountered 'this mortal coil' in its most famous context, Hamlet's soliloquy. But he still doesn't understand its meaning.

Yet he feels justified in sneering at Lonewulf's 'ignorance', on the basis of his own 'experience'.

I work for myself. It's rare that I arrive at work after 4 am. It's rare that I am not working at 7-8 pm. I frequently work Saturdays, often Sundays, most holidays and the last time I had a vacation of more than 2-3 days was in 2002.

If this is true, Token, may I suggest you seek help ?

This a description of work-addiction. I thought you had young children ? If so, you are neglecting your duties as a father by working 15-16 hours a day, and at week-ends as well.

And you spend enough time here bragging about how much money you earn, so it can't simply be a matter of financial necessity.

Another question arises though. In the last two weeks, you've made over 300 posts here. How can you do that and also work 15-16 hours a day ? Given you've got to fit the rest of your personal life into those 8-9 non-work hours as well ?

Seriously. How do you do it ?

 

[Zep]

By little white fibbing...

 

[JoeEllison]

This is like tee ball... I want to knock one out of the park, it is just sitting there....

How does he do it?

I can't. I just can't.

 

[LostAngeles]

Careful Pest...you and I agree on much.

My own reading of The Bell Curve and ABOUT it suggests that it is villified not because of its science or because it is actually racist, but only because of its substantial and substantiated findings, which tend to ruffle PC feathers.

You are in good company. I've been tagged as a RAAACCCIIISSSTTTTT!!!! as well. Why? Because I favor enforcement of our immigration laws and booting the kids of illegals out of our "free" schools and because I've made the RAAACCCIIISSSTTT observation that schools with 70- 90% "Hispanic" (PC for "Illegal Aliens from Latin countries") populations, tend to (shocker!) do worse on the whole in my satate's standardized testing.

Tokie

Tokie

I did not equate "Hispanic" with illegal alien. The leftist media has. I've explained this 3-4 times now. Either you are (continuing to) engaging in a strawman here, or you are not paying attention.

I know you are a leftist because you scream "RAAAACCIIIISTTTTTTTT!!!!" at anyone who wants to close the borders and get rid of the "Hispanics" (leftist media definition, thereof) in America. Now, if you were a "rightist" you'd be howling "then who'll do the JOBS AMERICANS WON'T DOOOOOOOOO!!!!!?????"

You are not howling, you are shrieking. Ergo, you are a leftist.

Tokie

See the first quoted post above. Looks to me like you sure as hell did. Stop trying to pin this on the OH NOES LIBERAL MEDIA. You've failed to back up that claim. I live (obviously) in L.A. and I hear, "undocumented," instead of, "illegal immigrant," never, "Hispanic."

And where did I scream, "RAAAACCIIIISTTTTTTTT!!!!" about closing the borders and getting rid of folks? Bet you can't back up that claim either.

Just so I know, tell me what my thoughts and opinions are on immgration please. And while you're reading my mind, let me know if my understanding of varieties as they relate to ideals is correct.

 

[JoeEllison]

As a guitarist, I have a possibly unique view on the America/Mexico border:

Let's talk Fender Stratocaster for a moment. The Made in Mexico(MIM) Standard Strat is about $400. The equivalent American Standard Strat is $950-1100. The difference? About 100 miles and slight differences in materials. The amount of work? Identical for just about everyone involved.

Now, how can any of us reasonably and logically tell a "Fender Mexico" worker that his efforts are worth less than a "Fender America" worker, for the exact same job? The only real difference, we tell them, is that 100 mile difference... so what, exactly, is the reason that they should respect the border?

 

[Lonewulf]

Um...no, actually, I don't. I checked the TOS...nothing in there about that.

No you don't... what? I never claimed that you "had" to do anything, nor that anything I request you to actually do is mentioned in the TOS.

Actually, I don't think you are doing it deliberately, but you are a product of your environment.

Ah, yes, the old, "People are making you do iiiiiiit!" whine.

You've been trained to exercise a sort of smarmy dishonesty in things you say, which then allows you to say, that no, in fact, you din't say that.

Except that I haven't been dishonest. I've stated how I think things "should" be, you make the snap judgment that I'm saying that it isn't that way, or that I personally put stuff in my body that I don't. I never said that I did drugs, yet you assume I abuse drugs. I never said that we should do away with government, yet you assume I'm an anarchist. I have shown no affiliation with a political ideology, and you assume I'm a liberal. I say that certain corporations take advantage of illegal aliens, and then you turn it into a "corporations are all evil" spiel and "immigrants are all poor, hard-working peasants that can do no wrong". Being that I never said any of that, and you have yet to verify it, that is the definition of lying. I do not think that all corporations are "evil", but I do propose that they are there to make a profit, and certain managers are willing to break the law or do ethically questionable things to turn over a profit. I know, it's a crazy suggestion -- that some people may actually be willing to exploit other people!

And that's what you do.

Wrong.

You'll make a good politician some day.

Hardly. I actually have scruples, I hear politicians with those don't succeed very well.

LOL. Yeah, no wonder. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

You must be delusional then.

You is what you is...

And I is not what you think I is.

you can call yourself a ham sandwhich, but that doesn't mean that's what you are.

And you can call me a ham sandwhich (sic), but that doesn't mean that's what I am.

Yes, I know you said you had a job. Having a job and getting paid for it is not the same.

I had a job. I got paid for it. Though I didn't really get a paycheck, it was wired to my bank account. Sorry.

I guess my terminology has confused you. I mean you were not the guy signing the paychecks; you were BEING paid, not the one PAYING others to do a job.

Ah, so now you're switching the goalposts! Honest!

Yeah..um, not sure whether you've heard, but Wiki is pretty much considered fairly unreliable.

Except you were the one that said to "wiki it". So you intentionally told me to use a "fairly unreliable" source, so you could whine, "Wikipedia is unreliaaaaaable!"

Lol.

And you talk about how others are "dishonest". But don't worry, I don't blame you. I know it comes from reading Ann Coulter's literary vomit every day.

And this last challenge(?) sorta kinda puts paid to the question of whether or not you um...imbibe.

Ah, so you refuse to verify any of your claims. The first bastion of the liar.

 

[Tokenconservative]

"Master"? "MASTER"??!!

Yeah...better than "my Precious," I figger.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Experience still has to be learned from, it's not sufficient on its own.

For example, look at Token's usage of 'this mortal coil' in that sentence.

He's using 'coil' in the sense of 'world' or 'Earth', but it doesn't mean that. It means strife and suffering, and is used in the sense of a burden which has to be carried (or put down, eventually).

This a small point of course, but Token says he has a degree in English Literature. Presumably he has encountered 'this mortal coil' in its most famous context, Hamlet's soliloquy. But he still doesn't understand its meaning.

Yet he feels justified in sneering at Lonewulf's 'ignorance', on the basis of his own 'experience'.

f this is true, Token, may I suggest you seek help ?

This a description of work-addiction. I thought you had young children ? If so, you are neglecting your duties as a father by working 15-16 hours a day, and at week-ends as well.

And you spend enough time here bragging about how much money you earn, so it can't simply be a matter of financial necessity.

Another question arises though. In the last two weeks, you've made over 300 posts here. How can you do that and also work 15-16 hours a day ? Given you've got to fit the rest of your personal life into those 8-9 non-work hours as well ?

Seriously. How do you do it ?

LOL! A very small point, indeed (look up various uses of the word "small," please?).

There's a whole thread in here about usage, connotative and denotative meanings and suchlike..."mortal coil" may not have, in the orginal meant what I used it to mean, but it means that now. So I will continue to use it that way, you use it your way...and I am sure you are gaining a following of well, a couple anyway, of other Church Ladies and the like...say, when you say "when," do you pronounce it "h-when"?

Small group, but exclusive, to be sure.

I did not say I'd learnt from my experiences...quite the opposite in many cases. Not much to learn about meeting a payroll in this regard: either you have done so, or you have not. If you have not (and like LW, only been on the rc'vg end of same) you may not know much about what all goes into doing so, such as all the in-kinds and taxes that an employer must pay. Couple that with LWs youth, and it's even more likely your understanding of this will be limited. Please note my use of the term "more likely." Go look that up and see what it means.

Hmmm...I thought I made it pretty clear that I am not "sneering" at LW's youthful ingorance. I guess like many, you don't know that "ignorance" does not mean "stupid," huh?

LOL! Thanks for the parenting advice.

My kids are in high school...young to me, but hardly in need of moment-by-moment Daddy time. I imagine any kids of yours would need that. But that's why we have parole officers and social workers.

And can you provide a link--LIIIIINNNKKKKKK!!!!!--from some qualified source that identifies a self-employed person working the hours necessary as "work addiction"?

Thanks for the free, online psych profile, though. I always find these to be worth at least thrice the cost!

Final question: simple. I key at over 80wpm, lots of what I do for work is waiting for various forms of communication to come to me and dolling the work out to others.

Maybe you need to do a little work on your keystroke time and um...stop spending time counting my posts?

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

See the first quoted post above. Looks to me like you sure as hell did. Stop trying to pin this on the OH NOES LIBERAL MEDIA. You've failed to back up that claim. I live (obviously) in L.A. and I hear, "undocumented," instead of, "illegal immigrant," never, "Hispanic."

And where did I scream, "RAAAACCIIIISTTTTTTTT!!!!" about closing the borders and getting rid of folks? Bet you can't back up that claim either.

Just so I know, tell me what my thoughts and opinions are on immgration please. And while you're reading my mind, let me know if my understanding of varieties as they relate to ideals is correct.

As with many others, since you are a liberal and therefore are virtually incapable of telling the truth, much less incorporating it into your ideology, I simply read what you say to identify you for what you are.

For example: "Tokie is a RAAACCCCIIIIISTTTTTTT!!!' 'cuz he said "Hispanic" to mean "illegal alien invader!!!"

Well, no...turns out, I din't. But that does not stop you from doing what lefties from Lenin to Goebbels to Chomsky, to Gore, to the Billary do so well: tell a lie loudly and long enough and it becomes the truth.

Which is what you are doing here. You believe that if you simply repeat the non-evidentiary clame that Tokie is a RAAAACCCCIIIISTTTTTTT!!! it will become truth simply by that repetion. It's only unfortunate that you don't have some means of making that actually shriek at readers from the screen to cement the point, huh?

Your thoughts and opinion on immigration are your own. Your thoughts and opinions on ILLEGAL immigration are those of your movement, the far, far left, bent on the destruction of America by any means.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

As a guitarist, I have a possibly unique view on the America/Mexico border:

Let's talk Fender Stratocaster for a moment. The Made in Mexico(MIM) Standard Strat is about $400. The equivalent American Standard Strat is $950-1100. The difference? About 100 miles and slight differences in materials. The amount of work? Identical for just about everyone involved.

Now, how can any of us reasonably and logically tell a "Fender Mexico" worker that his efforts are worth less than a "Fender America" worker, for the exact same job? The only real difference, we tell them, is that 100 mile difference... so what, exactly, is the reason that they should respect the border?

Wow.

Now see...this is EXACTLY the sort of "logic" I expect from leftist quarters.

I wonder if any of you great thinkers in here, those shrieking at me about how illogical _I_ am, can tell me first IF you find anything wrong with this "reasoning" by one of your own, and if so, WHAT is wrong with it.

Yeah...I imagine a few of you actually can, but since this guy is a fellow leftie....you'd sooner cut off an arm than do that, huh? Much easier to just shriek RAAAACCCIIISSTTTTTT!!! at me.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

No you don't...

Except that I haven't been dishonest. I've stated how I think things "should" be, you make the snap judgment that I'm saying that it isn't that way, or that I personally put stuff in my body that I don't. I never said that I did drugs, yet you assume I abuse drugs. I never said that we should do away with government, yet you assume I'm an anarchist. I have shown no affiliation with a political ideology, and you assume I'm a liberal. I say that certain corporations take advantage of illegal aliens, and then you turn it into a "corporations are all evil" spiel and "immigrants are all poor, hard-working peasants that can do no wrong". Being that I never said any of that, and you have yet to verify it, that is the definition of lying. I do not think that all corporations are "evil", but I do propose that they are there to make a profit, and certain managers are willing to break the law or do ethically questionable things to turn over a profit. I know, it's a crazy suggestion -- that some people may actually be willing to exploit other people!


And you can call me a ham sandwhich (sic), but that doesn't mean that's what I am.

I had a job. I got paid for it. Though I didn't really get a paycheck, it was wired to my bank account. Sorry.

Ah, so now you're switching the goalposts! Honest!

Except you were the one that said to "wiki it". So you intentionally told me to use a "fairly unreliable" source, so you could whine, "Wikipedia is unreliaaaaaable!"

And you talk about how others are "dishonest". But don't worry, I don't blame you. I know it comes from reading Ann Coulter's literary vomit every day.

Ah, so you refuse to verify any of your claims. The first bastion of the liar.

LOL!


Like many lefties, you don't know what a lie or dishonesty is. See, you believe that an honest mistake, like Coulter (since you brought her up) said in her book about one of America's greatest--but villified by you on the left--heroes, Joe McCarthy, that some person or other was the father of some other person when in actual fact he was the grandfather. I remember one of YOUR heroes, Al Franken shrieking about this "liiiieeeeeee!!!!" for days on end. And when Der Schlickster said, lip a-quiver, "I-I never had sex with that woman!" why, that was indeed true! A couple doze BJs is not "sex," right!?

I love lefties (and that's what anarchists like you are) and their ability to twist the language as they attempt their best tp obfuscate, misrepresent, exagerate, hyperbolize and outright lie--even if they don't know that's what they are doing. For proof of this, look only to your "definition" of lying. I may very well be making inaccurate assumptions about you (you are, after all, very cagey). That's not LYYYYIIIINNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!! as you assert, but rather simply (possibly--we'll see) being "wrong." But you don't understand that distinction, so long as a conservative is in the crosshairs. Of course, a liberal is neither ever wrong, nor even capable of lying, in your mind.

On exploitation: as an (unconfessed) anarchist, you believe that anyone who makes a buck on the labor of another is "exploiting" that other. You have and can have no concept of the notion of a free trade of commodities such as labor for $$. You believe that $$ should come to "the workers of the world!" from the "exploiters!!!" (corporations) with absolutely no exchange, that in fact, those who would offer employment are criminals and should be treated as such because "employment" is just another way of saying "exploitation."

You keep going back to your employment and conflating and equivocating with that. What you said was that you had met/made a payroll. You apparently misunderstood this phrasing to mean that you were once gainfully employed and ON a payroll. It does not mean that. But now, since you have been caught demonstrating the very ignorance I claim you do, you must go back to that in the (typical, leftist) attempt to "prove" that the converstation was about something else: Lenin discovered this, Goebbels used it best, the likes of Chomsky, Zinn, Kennedy, Clinton et al., continue to use it...and here you are, as well. Sorry, just because you tell a lie over and over and over, doing so does not make it the truth.

I suggested Wiki because you'd mentioned it previously. If I told you to jump of a roof....

I don't read Coulter every day. In fact, I rarely read her columns. I sometimes read her books. A bit bombastic, but accurate and pretty good reading. What...I should read Algore, instead? Al Franken?

No thanks. I already studied up on PT Barnum years ago.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

LOL!

Like many lefties, you don't know what a lie or dishonesty is.

I'd say "burn", but I'm pretty sure it's hard to be insulted by the delusional... or liars.

It's funny how you talk about dishonesty and what it means. You seem to think my dishonesty is equivalent to your inability to talk for five seconds without leaping to erroneous conclusions.

See, you believe that an honest mistake, like Coulter (since you brought her up) said in her book about one of America's greatest--but villified by you on the left--heroes, Joe McCarthy, that some person or other was the father of some other person when in actual fact he was the grandfather. I remember one of YOUR heroes, Al Franken shrieking about this "liiiieeeeeee!!!!" for days on end. And when Der Schlickster said, lip a-quiver, "I-I never had sex with that woman!" why, that was indeed true! A couple doze BJs is not "sex," right!?

This is what I love. People like you think so much in terms of black and white, liberal and conservative, you assume that people like me HAVE to "love" people like Al Franken or Bill Clinton.

See, in your little 2-dimensional world, there is no such thing as varying personal opinion. Which is probably why you would defend people like Coulter no matter what they say, including that we need to bomb the Muslims and convert them all to Christianity, or that the "perfect society" is made of all Christians. Then, you "project" yourself onto me by claiming that Al Franken and Clinton are my "heroes", because you've already put me in the "lefty" wing.

I love lefties (and that's what anarchists like you are)

Oh, I love how you throw that out there!

It seems that your philosophy is that if you tell a lie long enough, people just might actually come to believe it.

and their ability to twist the language as they attempt their best tp obfuscate, misrepresent, exagerate, hyperbolize and outright lie--even if they don't know that's what they are doing. For proof of this, look only to your "definition" of lying. I may very well be making inaccurate assumptions about you (you are, after all, very cagey). That's not LYYYYIIIINNNNGGGGGGG!!!!!!

Ooooh, nice whine there!

I could give you the benefit of the doubt. However, you keep repeating your assumptions on me even though I inform you that you are, indeed, wrong. Then, when challenged to provide data that would demonstrate that you are telling the truth and have a real reason to make such assumptions on me, you back down.

That tells me that you are probably lying.

as you assert, but rather simply (possibly--we'll see) being "wrong."

Sure, you are wrong. But the fact that you keep making accusations without backing them up even when repeatedly asked to, it's more likely that you're lying. A liar is more likely to ignore any requests for evidence or verification for any of their claims. Someone that is simply wrong, and is honest, is more likely to try to verify their claim, or apologize for being wrong.

But you don't understand that distinction, so long as a conservative is in the crosshairs.

Sure, it's you being a "conservative", not an attack.

Of course, a liberal is neither ever wrong, nor even capable of lying, in your mind.

Really? Wow, I didn't know that, and I own my mind!

Oh, wait, this is another personal attack that is wrong. Are you going to repeat this even after it's pointed out to be wrong?

On exploitation: as an (unconfessed) anarchist

I don't confess to being something that I'm not.

You have yet to back up your claim that I am an anarchist, btw.

you believe that anyone who makes a buck on the labor of another is "exploiting" that other.

If they hire someone illegally, by illegally paying them minimum wage, I'm not quite sure why I should consider their business legit.

You have and can have no concept of the notion of a free trade of commodities such as labor for $$.

I understand labor for $$. I also understand "illegal" and "unethical", which I advise you look up. Wikipedia it, if you wish.

You believe that $$ should come to "the workers of the world!" from the "exploiters!!!" (corporations) with absolutely no exchange

On the contrary, I am fully aware that labor is necessary for a worker to be paid.

Is this another outright lie of yours, or are you just good at serially being wrong?

that in fact, those who would offer employment are criminals and should be treated as such because "employment" is just another way of saying "exploitation."

I do not think that employment is the same as exploitation. I think that hiring someone just so you can pay them below minimum wage is actually exploiting someone, though.

But I'm glad to see you support corrupt corporations. Blind loyalty is good for people like you, right?

Support everyone, even the criminals, as long as they're rich?

You keep going back to your employment and conflating and equivocating with that. What you said was that you had met/made a payroll. You apparently misunderstood this phrasing to mean that you were once gainfully employed and ON a payroll.

Dictionary.com

1. a list of employees to be paid, with the amount due to each.

I was on a list of employees to be paid, with an amount due to me. My amount was paid, and filed to the IRS.

You must be using a definition of "payroll" that is foreign to me, but it's a small matter. People like you take any chance to try to appear to superior to your superiors.

It does not mean that. But now, since you have been caught demonstrating the very ignorance I claim you do, you must go back to that in the (typical, leftist) attempt to "prove" that the converstation was about something else: Lenin discovered this, Goebbels used it best, the likes of Chomsky, Zinn, Kennedy, Clinton et al., continue to use it...and here you are, as well. Sorry, just because you tell a lie over and over and over, doing so does not make it the truth.

Ooooh, comparing me to Lenin, Goebbels, and Chomsky, just because I say that I had a job, was on the payroll, and got paid.

Is it tough to be as delusional as you are?

I suggested Wiki because you'd mentioned it previously.

If I told you to jump of a roof....

LOL, that's great. Nice cover.

If you told me to jump off a roof, I'd tell you who you could go have intercourse with.

I don't read Coulter every day. In fact, I rarely read her columns. I sometimes read her books. A bit bombastic, but accurate and pretty good reading.

I find it hilarious that you think so.

So, you believe all that Coulter's said on evolution? That's great.

 

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I'd say "burn", but I'm pretty sure it's hard to be insulted by the delusional... or liars.

It's funny how you talk about dishonesty and what it means. You seem to think my dishonesty is equivalent to your inability to talk for five seconds without leaping to erroneous conclusions.


This is what I love. People like you think so much in terms of black and white, liberal and conservative, you assume that people like me HAVE to "love" people like Al Franken or Bill Clinton.

See, in your little 2-dimensional world, there is no such thing as varying personal opinion. Which is probably why you would defend people like Coulter no matter what they say, including that we need to bomb the Muslims and convert them all to Christianity, or that the "perfect society" is made of all Christians. Then, you "project" yourself onto me by claiming that Al Franken and Clinton are my "heroes", because you've already put me in the "lefty" wing.


Oh, I love how you throw that out there!

It seems that your philosophy is that if you tell a lie long enough, people just might actually come to believe it.

Ooooh, nice whine there!

I could give you the benefit of the doubt. However, you keep repeating your assumptions on me even though I inform you that you are, indeed, wrong. Then, when challenged to provide data that would demonstrate that you are telling the truth and have a real reason to make such assumptions on me, you back down.

That tells me that you are probably lying.

Sure, you are wrong. But the fact that you keep making accusations without backing them up even when repeatedly asked to, it's more likely that you're lying. A liar is more likely to ignore any requests for evidence or verification for any of their claims. Someone that is simply wrong, and is honest, is more likely to try to verify their claim, or apologize for being wrong.

Sure, it's you being a "conservative", not an attack.

Really? Wow, I didn't know that, and I own my mind!

Oh, wait, this is another personal attack that is wrong. Are you going to repeat this even after it's pointed out to be wrong?

I don't confess to being something that I'm not.

You have yet to back up your claim that I am an anarchist, btw.

If they hire someone illegally, by illegally paying them minimum wage, I'm not quite sure why I should consider their business legit.

I understand labor for $$. I also understand "illegal" and "unethical", which I advise you look up. Wikipedia it, if you wish.

On the contrary, I am fully aware that labor is necessary for a worker to be paid.

Is this another outright lie of yours, or are you just good at serially being wrong?

I do not think that employment is the same as exploitation. I think that hiring someone just so you can pay them below minimum wage is actually exploiting someone, though.

But I'm glad to see you support corrupt corporations. Blind loyalty is good for people like you, right?

Support everyone, even the criminals, as long as they're rich?

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1. a list of employees to be paid, with the amount due to each.

I was on a list of employees to be paid, with an amount due to me. My amount was paid, and filed to the IRS.

You must be using a definition of "payroll" that is foreign to me, but it's a small matter. People like you take any chance to try to appear to superior to your superiors.

Ooooh, comparing me to Lenin, Goebbels, and Chomsky, just because I say that I had a job, was on the payroll, and got paid.

Is it tough to be as delusional as you are?

LOL, that's great. Nice cover.

If you told me to jump off a roof, I'd tell you who you could go have intercourse with.

I find it hilarious that you think so.

So, you believe all that Coulter's said on evolution? That's great.

While entire dissertations (though Gaia knows what college or univeristy would allow it...Bob Jones, maybe?) could be written on leftist dissembling, to say nothing of outright dishonesty, nothing speaks to this quite so well...truthfully as your own words. You make it very clear that you simply do not understand the difference between a lie and being in error.

I have no idea who you "love." It hardly matters. You've made quite clear what you are ideologically, and it is a favorite (Playbook) tactic of those on the left to shriek "NOT ME!!!" Meanwhile, there you are protesting the G8....

As to the "lefty wing...." If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...

I've heard Coulter's "bomb or convert them" quip in it's entirety and IN context (a marvelously refreshing approach that you should try). It's pretty clear that she was joking. Now, that's hard for a lefty like you to understand, because as a class, lefties are about as dour and humorless as old Soviet political bosses.

You seem confused. That's not my "philosophy." Actually, it's quite clearly a "philosophy" (?) of the left. Lenin (a communist) first said "the lie told often enough becomes the truth) and Hitler's man Goebbels ( A Nazi--socialist) put it to use. These are leftists. Like you.

Leftists nearly always tell those outside their circle that "you are wrong!!" when they are identified for what they are. It's a curious thing. You almost never hear a conservative denying that that's what he/she is. But it's virtually a given that if you say to a leftist "say, you're a leftist, huh?" they will vehemnently (and sometimes violently) deny it.

I don't have "data" about you. I have only your own words in here, and they clearly indicate your leftist leaning socio-political ideologies.

Followed by your, again, verifying this by your clear misunderstanding of the difference between truth and error. It is entirely possible that I've misread all your maundering ramblings of a socialist bent. This would not make me a "liar" it would simply make me "wrong."

My failure to provide "data" has more to do with my interest level than anything else. Sure, I could dig through all your lengthy and typically difficult-to-navigate posts and mine a wealth of "data" specifically identifying you for what you are. But I don't feel like it.

Followed by another typical (Playbook) leftist accusation: If we disagree, I am "attacking" you. I'm sorry, mayhaps I misremember: who is it who has been calling whom a "liar" and "delusional" and comparing me to Nazis for some dozen or more posts and is now claiming some classist superiority to me?

Now to our cases:
1. No, actually, you do not understand "illegal" in this context. You belive, apparently, that it is, in this context, equivalent to "unethical." If that's the case, then are you saying that the tens of millions of illegal aliens in America are "unethical"?

2. I did not say "on the payroll." I said "make (a) payroll." I have no idea whether/what Wiki has to say about this colloquialism. I've explained it to you a dozen times now. You said that you HAD, in fact, done so. I assumed that meant you had employed people, not simply that you had BEEN an employee...as would anyone at least marginally familiar with common terms in American business. And I am hardly comparing yo to those pesonages, I am merely inviting you to "Wiki" them so that you'll understand where a primary foundational underpinning of your entire socio-political ideology comes from. You believe that the lie told often (and loudly--thanks Dr. Goebbels!) enough becomes the truth.

3. I have no idea what Coulter has said or believes about evolution, and can't imagine why I would know or would care. Last I checked, she's a political commentator and writer not a theologian or professional in any of the biological disciplines.

4. Strawmen are rarely good ways to close an otherwise hysterical argument.

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