Why Can't They Figure it Out?

[Zep]

 

[Tokenconservative]

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Especially when I call a public school or other government office.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Yes, that is the cunundrum, isn't it?

No, I don't want that, but since you asked, here IS what I would like to see:
I want one--just one--CEO and his/her HR director of a fortune 100 company to be arrested for the crime of knowingly employing illegal aliens, charged, prosecuted, sentenced to the fullest extent of the law and perp walked to a federal maximum security pen.

Not sure about the maximum security pen, but I agree with you in principle, yeah. If you punish the people exploiting illegals, you'll have no reason to fear the illegals "stealing your jobs".

Hmmmm....brilliant riposte. I shore dun been put in MY place!

Indeed.

Outside the part about sticking pieces of metal in your body (by the way: as far as I know, there are no laws in the US preventing you from doing that all you want, so long as it is YOUR body, and you are of majority age)

Sure, yeah. And tattooing was made legal, although once it wasn't.

Can't wait until we get computer implants and cybernetic attachments, though.

which indicates you are an "anarchist," the other things you mentioned are the same things other anarchists latch onto to avoid self-identifying as "anarchists."

How the hell am I an anarchist? No, explain this one to me. I actually like government arresting people that would murder, kill, rape, or harm others.

Explain to me (in small words, I'm just a dumb kid while you're the genius), how I'm an anarchist.

As I said: been there, dun that a dozen times before.

That's a shame. You'd think that if someone has been at something for a while, they'd actually be good at recognizing it...

 

[Zep]

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Especially when I call a public school or other government office.

Tokie

If you don't laugh at the joke, you're probably the punchline - Lonewulf

 

[LostAngeles]

Sure....soon's you show how I am.

Tokie

I never called you a racist. I said that your phrasing, which apparently equated all Hispanics with illegal immigrants, was racist. When I asked, you turned it around and made it seem that I said that.

So, you want to straighten that out yet?

 

[Tokenconservative]

I never called you a racist. I said that your phrasing, which apparently equated all Hispanics with illegal immigrants, was racist. When I asked, you turned it around and made it seem that I said that.

So, you want to straighten that out yet?

I love this kind of PC parsing of language and semantic circle-jerking.

"I din't say YOU were a racist!! I said you say racist things!!!"

LOL!

Tell me, LA...when did Spanish become a race?

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Not sure about the maximum security pen, but I agree with you in principle, yeah. If you punish the people exploiting illegals, you'll have no reason to fear the illegals "stealing your jobs".

Indeed.

Sure, yeah. And tattooing was made legal, although once it wasn't.

Can't wait until we get computer implants and cybernetic attachments, though.

How the hell am I an anarchist? No, explain this one to me. I actually like government arresting people that would murder, kill, rape, or harm others.

Explain to me (in small words, I'm just a dumb kid while you're the genius), how I'm an anarchist.

That's a shame. You'd think that if someone has been at something for a while, they'd actually be good at recognizing it...

Now, I'm not supposed to identify you for what you are, a liberal (American version, not Euro), but virtually everytime you put finger to key, you parrot some leftist cant? Please explain how people coming to the US and being employed at greater wages than would be American workers are being "exploited"? Oh, that's right...they were forced to come here? Or if they went home, it would be to a bucolic life of pastoral beauty...rather than living in a clean, tidy American suburb.

"Yeah, sure"? Once, it was illegal not to go to church on Sunday. So what? There's almost no place left in America where you can't get a tatoo, and far's I know there've never been any laws against you poking your flesh will all manner of horrifically ugly hardware. So please tell me where in the US it's illegal? We have people here who've had horns surgically attached to the bone of their skulls. If getting a little diamond in your nose is illegal, why wouldn't that be?

Stop being a typical kid. Nobody (outside your mother) cares that you are "showing" your MIA dad by trashing your own body. Especially now that you are, apparently, an adult (over 18 in the US).

You tell me how you are an anarchist. It's pretty clear you are not, as you claim, a libertarian or you wouldn't say things like "Big Corporations exploit the poor peasants from Mexico and Latin America!!"

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Now, I'm not supposed to identify you for what you are, a liberal (American version, not Euro), but virtually everytime you put finger to key, you parrot some leftist cant?

Please quote all my "leftist cants". Show your work.

Please explain how people coming to the US and being employed at greater wages than would be American workers are being "exploited"?

Wait, "greater wages"?

Evidence?

Last I checked, illegal immigrants were, on average, paid less wages. Who the hell would hire someone if they had to pay them greater wages?

Oh, that's right...they were forced to come here?

No.

Or if they went home, it would be to a bucolic life of pastoral beauty...rather than living in a clean, tidy American suburb.

No. Not sure your point here.

I never said that they were "forced" here. I do contend that I don't think that they should be hired for below minimum wage. If businesses were forced to pay illegal immigrants the same as they do the average American worker (assuming that said immigrant doesn't get deported, of course), then there would be little incentive to hire them over the average American.

"Yeah, sure"? Once, it was illegal not to go to church on Sunday.

Really? Didn't know that. Huh.

So what? There's almost no place left in America where you can't get a tatoo, and far's I know there've never been any laws against you poking your flesh will all manner of horrifically ugly hardware.

Sure, tattoos are legal, now. Check this out:

So please tell me where in the US it's illegal?

Oklahoma, for tattoos. Tattoos were finally made legal in November 1, 2006. It's now legal to have tattoos in every State in the U.S. Nifty, huh?

For cosmetic surgery that makes you look "inhuman", I think that's outlawed to be a procedure allowed by licensed doctors, hence you cannot get things like anesthesia during the procedure. Feel free to demonstrate that I'm wrong. Of course, I'd love to have an actual cite.

We have people here who've had horns surgically attached to the bone of their skulls. If getting a little diamond in your nose is illegal, why wouldn't that be?

No idea.

Stop being a typical kid.

Okay.

Nobody (outside your mother) cares that you are "showing" your MIA dad by trashing your own body.

I'm not trashing my own body. I don't have a single tattoo or piercing. I also haven't done any drugs, but I'm still for drug legalization.

It's possible to support freedom to do something without actively participating in it.

Also, I find it interesting that you latched onto this. I said that I think that everyone should be able to do to themselves whatever they wish, and you were the one that leapt upon cosmetics, acting as if I was suggesting that it was illegal or repressed in the U.S. I mentioned other things, such as making recreational drugs legal.

It's an interesting way to try to distort what I say.

Especially now that you are, apparently, an adult (over 18 in the US).

Indeed.

You tell me how you are an anarchist. It's pretty clear you are not, as you claim, a libertarian or you wouldn't say things like "Big Corporations exploit the poor peasants from Mexico and Latin America!!"

I'm not a libertarian. I said that the libertarian ideals caught my fancy once. I'm undecided now. I don't assign a label to myself because I actually have my own opinions.

Oh, and yeah, Big Corporations do exploit them. That's why places like Walmart will hire illegal immigrants for below the minimum wage. So that they can make money, which is, after all, what a corporation sets out to do.

If you have evidence that said accusations are false, then I will respectfully retract my position. However, until then, I contend that illegal immigrants aren't "taking" jobs, corporations are "giving" it to them.

I find it interesting that you yourself were the one that suggested we target CEOs.

I want one--just one--CEO and his/her HR director of a fortune 100 company to be arrested for the crime of knowingly employing illegal aliens, charged, prosecuted, sentenced to the fullest extent of the law and perp walked to a federal maximum security pen.

Of course, I'm sure CEOs are forced at gunpoint by the evil illegal immigrants to give them jobs for higher wages.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Please quote all my "leftist cants". Show your work.

Wait, "greater wages"?

Evidence?

Last I checked, illegal immigrants were, on average, paid less wages. Who the hell would hire someone if they had to pay them greater wages?


No.


No. Not sure your point here.

I never said that they were "forced" here. I do contend that I don't think that they should be hired for below minimum wage. If businesses were forced to pay illegal immigrants the same as they do the average American worker (assuming that said immigrant doesn't get deported, of course), then there would be little incentive to hire them over the average American.


Really? Didn't know that. Huh.


Sure, tattoos are legal, now. Check this out:


Oklahoma, for tattoos. Tattoos were finally made legal in November 1, 2006. It's now legal to have tattoos in every State in the U.S. Nifty, huh?

For cosmetic surgery that makes you look "inhuman", I think that's outlawed to be a procedure allowed by licensed doctors, hence you cannot get things like anesthesia during the procedure. Feel free to demonstrate that I'm wrong. Of course, I'd love to have an actual cite.


No idea.


Okay.


I'm not trashing my own body. I don't have a single tattoo or piercing. I also haven't done any drugs, but I'm still for drug legalization.

It's possible to support freedom to do something without actively participating in it.

Also, I find it interesting that you latched onto this. I said that I think that everyone should be able to do to themselves whatever they wish, and you were the one that leapt upon cosmetics, acting as if I was suggesting that it was illegal or repressed in the U.S. I mentioned other things, such as making recreational drugs legal.

It's an interesting way to try to distort what I say.

Indeed.

I'm not a libertarian. I said that the libertarian ideals caught my fancy once. I'm undecided now. I don't assign a label to myself because I actually have my own opinions.

Oh, and yeah, Big Corporations do exploit them. That's why places like Walmart will hire illegal immigrants for below the minimum wage. So that they can make money, which is, after all, what a corporation sets out to do.

If you have evidence that said accusations are false, then I will respectfully retract my position. However, until then, I contend that illegal immigrants aren't "taking" jobs, corporations are "giving" it to them.

I find it interesting that you yourself were the one that suggested we target CEOs.

Of course, I'm sure CEOs are forced at gunpoint by the evil illegal immigrants to give them jobs for higher wages.

You did say that evil corporations were "exploiting" the poor, innocent, peasants...did you not? Was that some other "libertarian"?

Yes, illegals make more than Americans doing the same job.

Links?! LIIIIINNNKKKKKSSSSSS!!!!

You don't know anything about employing or being employed in America, so I doubt this will make much sense to you but here goes: any legal resident/citizen who works for someone else, is forced to pay various taxes and fees for that privelege. If you are an illegal, you don't pay those, and that money just goes right into your pocket. The leftist lie (that you believe) that illegals work for pennies on the dollar is just that, a lie.

So...you make the positive assertion that "last time you checked" illegals are paid less...evidence?

Do you have evidence that illegals are coming here and working for "below minimum wage"? I want something a bit more...believable than a NYTimes or LATimes puff piece on this. Show me some hard data, please.

It was also illegal to have gay sex in many states until quite recently...um, did anyone actually follow those laws? And since I've seen people with those sorts of attachments to their bodies both in person and on TV (Americans)...where they get it done? Mexico? Canada? And I "jumped" on this because you said something about it (can't recall the term, I'd call it piercing, but I'm sure there's a much more en vogue term, like the one you used).

And I'm all for drug decriminalization, too. And prostitution. So I understand that you don't have to practice something to believe it shouldn't be criminal, etc. Once again, you present information in a way that is (pretty cleverly, I have to admit) designed to lead your audience to certain inferences. Then when the audience arrives where you want, you shriek "that's not ME!!!!" If this is not a liberal, by the way...I dunno what is. My youngest is interested in lobbying. I may show her some of your posts. You are pretty good at saying something that any normal person will take to mean "A" but allowing enough wiggle room to later claim (if necessary) that no, what you actually said was "3."

I know you are not a libertarian. You are one of those that likes to play semantic games, but believes in "anarchy." Tell me, do you anarchist hold meetings?

And it's gratifying to hear that I'm not wasting all this time with someone who'd turn themself into a human pincushion.

Do you have any evidence that Wal-Mart is hiring "them" (those people?) at "far under minimum wage? I believe one Wal-Mart got spanked for treating some illegal employees poorly...locking a cleaning crew in at night or some such (their shrink musta been astronomical!)...they were not spanked for either employing illegals OR for underpaying them, though.

LOL. First of all, I never said illegals are "taking" jobs. We are at near full-employment here in America (compare that to Germany's what, 12% permanent unemployment, and typical 15-17% or suchlike?). And I've already made the argument that the corps are "giving" as you put it, the jobs. They are doing that because it's far cheaper for them to employ illegals (not in wages, those are essentially the same in most fields).

What do you find "interesting" about my approach to the cure?

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

You did say that evil corporations were "exploiting" the poor, innocent, peasants...did you not? Was that some other "libertarian"?

I said that certain corporations were exploiting certain people, yes. I made no mention of "poor", "innocent", "evil", nor have I ever referred to myself as a "libertarian". But other than that, yeah.

Yes, illegals make more than Americans doing the same job.

Links?! LIIIIINNNKKKKKSSSSSS!!!!

If you don't have any evidence of this claim, why should I take it seriously?

If you're going to ask me to buy whatever you say without asking for evidence, will you then do me the same honors and buy whatever I say without questioning?*

You don't know anything about employing or being employed in America, so I doubt this will make much sense to you but here goes: any legal resident/citizen who works for someone else, is forced to pay various taxes and fees for that privelege. If you are an illegal, you don't pay those, and that money just goes right into your pocket. The leftist lie (that you believe) that illegals work for pennies on the dollar is just that, a lie.

It makes bad economic sense to pay any illegal workers higher than average wages. I don't quite see the point in hiring someone illegally just so you can pay them higher than normal wage. "Hey, Bob! We can get in trouble for hiring you, and to make it up to you, we'll pay you an extra $5 an hour! Welcome aboard!" Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... I'll buy that claim without reservation.

And yeah, sure, they don't pay taxes... and they don't get many benefits at all.

So...you make the positive assertion that "last time you checked" illegals are paid less...evidence?

http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2003-10-23-walmart-arrests_x.htm

The cleaning crews did not receive health insurance and were paid below the minimum wage, sometimes as little as $2 a day, a federal official said.

There, I have now have an external source stating that illegals are paid below minimum wage.

Now, you made the claim that illegals are paid MORE wages. Either put up or shut up.

Do you have evidence that illegals are coming here and working for "below minimum wage"? I want something a bit more...believable than a NYTimes or LATimes puff piece on this. Show me some hard data, please.

I find it intriguing that you want me to dig up evidence when you first made the claim that illegals were paid more than average wage. Since that flies in the face of common, business, and economic sense, I would appreciate it if you actually worked to back up your claim.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I have the advantage here.

It was also illegal to have gay sex in many states until quite recently...um, did anyone actually follow those laws?

Yes.

And since I've seen people with those sorts of attachments to their bodies both in person and on TV (Americans)...where they get it done? Mexico? Canada?

America, for many. Some might have got them in other countries, I'm not sure.

And I "jumped" on this because you said something about it (can't recall the term, I'd call it piercing, but I'm sure there's a much more en vogue term, like the one you used).

Body Modification. I don't call it piercing or tattoos or whatever because it's a much broader sense than your narrow vision would allow you to see. Don't worry, I understand. I once thought that the only forms of body modification were piercings, too. Then I turned 8.

And I'm all for drug decriminalization, too. And prostitution.

Kewl.

So I understand that you don't have to practice something to believe it shouldn't be criminal, etc.

Yeap.

Once again, you present information in a way that is (pretty cleverly, I have to admit) designed to lead your audience to certain inferences.

Actually, no. You have demonstrated again and again that you jump to conclusions on people that you have too limited data on. If you failed to do that, you would fail to appear foolish as you try to guess who I am, what I think, and what I look like.

Then when the audience arrives where you want, you shriek "that's not ME!!!!"

No I don't, and no I wouldn't. Unless you can quote where I actually "shriek"?

See, that's another thing about you; you mischaracterize other people to the point where it becomes libel.

If this is not a liberal, by the way...I dunno what is.

I have a theory. It's a crazy one, I know... but hear me out.

Someone's political beliefs cannot be inferred from their personality or how they portray themselves or their thoughts. Instead, it can only be demonstrated by what those thoughts or ideals actually are.

Crazy idea, innit? I know, it probably made your brain explode trying to parse it.

My youngest is interested in lobbying. I may show her some of your posts. You are pretty good at saying something that any normal person will take to mean "A" but allowing enough wiggle room to later claim (if necessary) that no, what you actually said was "3."

Well, the thing is, you mistake my ideals for practices. As you do, you will always appear foolish.

I know you are not a libertarian. You are one of those that likes to play semantic games, but believes in "anarchy."

No, I don't.

Tell me, do you anarchist hold meetings?

I wouldn't know.

By the way, I'm either a "liberal", or I'm an "anarchist". I'm pretty sure that the two ideologies are incompatible at the core level.

And it's gratifying to hear that I'm not wasting all this time with someone who'd turn themself into a human pincushion.

Glad to hear that you'd judge someone based on that data point.

Do you have any evidence that Wal-Mart is hiring "them" (those people?) at "far under minimum wage?

The cleaning crews did not receive health insurance and were paid below the minimum wage, sometimes as little as $2 a day, a federal official said.

That's "any evidence". It's certainly valid evidence, unless you find a way to disprove that particular story. But I'm sure you'll just hand-wave it off because it doesn't fit in with your world view.

LOL. First of all, I never said illegals are "taking" jobs.

Yes, I'm just going by the usual claim. I did not mean to imply that you actually said that. I apologize for the mischaracterization.

We are at near full-employment here in America (compare that to Germany's what, 12% permanent unemployment, and typical 15-17% or suchlike?).

Given that Germany accepted East Germany, that accounts for a big drain on unemployment rates. Those damn commies really screwed that up.

News flash: East Germany is not recovering very well. It hasn't had a whole lot of time to recover very well.

And I've already made the argument that the corps are "giving" as you put it, the jobs. They are doing that because it's far cheaper for them to employ illegals (not in wages, those are essentially the same in most fields).

What do you find "interesting" about my approach to the cure?

I find it interesting that you agree with me that we should punish the corporations responsible for hiring illegal immigrants, but you take the time to make it sound like I'm the "evil liberal", while you're the heroic Stephen Colbertish conservative.

The only difference is, Stephen Colbert is an intentional parody.

 

[drkitten]

Yes, illegals make more than Americans doing the same job.

No, they don't.

Links?! LIIIIINNNKKKKKSSSSSS!!!!

Hypocracy much?

Anyway, there the link from the Center for Immigrant Studies, a non-partisan think tank.

The median weekly wage for native-born high school dropouts who work full time is $350, while the median weekly wage for full-time Mexican immigrants is $326.

Note the way the statistics are taken here. Although the two groups are employed in similar circumstances, this statistic includes all Mexican immigrants, including both legal and illegals, and immigrants at all educational levels -- so the occaisonal Mexican doctor, lawyer, or engineer will also be included in this study. Despite the existence of positive outliers in the Mexican group that would be excluded from the native-born group, the median wage for Mexican immgrants is still less. Restricting our attention to only Mexican immigrants with less than high school education would almost certainly reduce the average Mexican wage even further.

 

[Tokenconservative]

I said that certain corporations were exploiting certain people, yes. I made no mention of "poor", "innocent", "evil", nor have I ever referred to myself as a "libertarian". But other than that, yeah.

If you don't have any evidence of this claim, why should I take it seriously?

If you're going to ask me to buy whatever you say without asking for evidence, will you then do me the same honors and buy whatever I say without questioning?*


It makes bad economic sense to pay any illegal workers higher than average wages. I don't quite see the point in hiring someone illegally just so you can pay them higher than normal wage. "Hey, Bob! We can get in trouble for hiring you, and to make it up to you, we'll pay you an extra $5 an hour! Welcome aboard!" Yeeeeeeeeeeeah... I'll buy that claim without reservation.

And yeah, sure, they don't pay taxes... and they don't get many benefits at all.



http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/retail/2003-10-23-walmart-arrests_x.htm


There, I have now have an external source stating that illegals are paid below minimum wage.

Now, you made the claim that illegals are paid MORE wages. Either put up or shut up.


I find it intriguing that you want me to dig up evidence when you first made the claim that illegals were paid more than average wage. Since that flies in the face of common, business, and economic sense, I would appreciate it if you actually worked to back up your claim.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I have the advantage here.


Yes.


America, for many. Some might have got them in other countries, I'm not sure.


Body Modification. I don't call it piercing or tattoos or whatever because it's a much broader sense than your narrow vision would allow you to see. Don't worry, I understand. I once thought that the only forms of body modification were piercings, too. Then I turned 8.


Kewl.


Yeap.


Actually, no. You have demonstrated again and again that you jump to conclusions on people that you have too limited data on. If you failed to do that, you would fail to appear foolish as you try to guess who I am, what I think, and what I look like.


No I don't, and no I wouldn't. Unless you can quote where I actually "shriek"?

See, that's another thing about you; you mischaracterize other people to the point where it becomes libel.


I have a theory. It's a crazy one, I know... but hear me out.

Someone's political beliefs cannot be inferred from their personality or how they portray themselves or their thoughts. Instead, it can only be demonstrated by what those thoughts or ideals actually are.

Crazy idea, innit? I know, it probably made your brain explode trying to parse it.


Well, the thing is, you mistake my ideals for practices. As you do, you will always appear foolish.


No, I don't.


I wouldn't know.

By the way, I'm either a "liberal", or I'm an "anarchist". I'm pretty sure that the two ideologies are incompatible at the core level.


Glad to hear that you'd judge someone based on that data point.



That's "any evidence". It's certainly valid evidence, unless you find a way to disprove that particular story. But I'm sure you'll just hand-wave it off because it doesn't fit in with your world view.


Yes, I'm just going by the usual claim. I did not mean to imply that you actually said that. I apologize for the mischaracterization.


Given that Germany accepted East Germany, that accounts for a big drain on unemployment rates. Those damn commies really screwed that up.

News flash: East Germany is not recovering very well. It hasn't had a whole lot of time to recover very well.


I find it interesting that you agree with me that we should punish the corporations responsible for hiring illegal immigrants, but you take the time to make it sound like I'm the "evil liberal", while you're the heroic Stephen Colbertish conservative.

The only difference is, Stephen Colbert is an intentional parody.

So you admit you are an anarchist?

LOL...it's pretty clear you (and I doubt you are alone in here) have any idea how "paying wages" works in America. And again, you are exercising that quite remarkable (kudos!) skill you have for twisting what I say...or misunderstanding it. I hope it's the former.

LOL! It's estimated that every illegal who puts $10,000 into the system, takes $30,000 out in benefits such as "free" schooling, healthcare, actual welfare, etc.

Yeah...you know, you just don't find too many in the leftist media running out to document the fact that illegals don't pay FICA, don't pay income taxes and that those who employ them don't have to pay all the "in-kinds" required by cities, counties, states and the feds. No idea why that would be, but there it is.

It's not a matter of "evidence." It's a matter of common sense to anyone who has ever had to make a payroll (see the above).

Libel? Hmmm...you may have something there. I know that calling me a lib is fightin' woids....

Wait, I have to pick up some brain pieces from the floor...okay, got that whole Jackie Kennedy thing out of the way, now I can address your nonsense: um...no. I don't know if you know this or not, but we are half a planet apart. I cannot "see" you, even though I am sure you believe Bill Gates or Dick Cheney is watching you through your computer. I don't know what you "do"; I can only go by your words here, and so far, you are very much painting yourself into the "anarchist" (LOL!) corner.

Um...do you know how long ago it's been since the Wall came down and Germany became one again? Just a guess? And W. Germany had high unemployment, before Ronald Wilson Reagan caused the Wall to come down, anyway. Maybe worse than today, given that their government was even more socialist then. Besides, that's just an excuse...what's France's excuse for their 20% (oh...wait, that's right...they lie about all the second-class citizens there...they don't count) unemployment rate there?

I have no doubts that I will always appear foolish, but you seem like a smart young lady. You should re-read what you said (aside from the me being foolish part) and see if you can figure anything out about that that doesn't quite track.

Who is Stephen Colbert?

By the way, what I've done (as I find it necessary to do with young folks like you...and sometimes not so young) is to draw you out, make you say a bunch of stuff so I can figure out your political and social ideology. I know what you are now. It's dumber than being a liberal, but not nearly as dangerous.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

No, they don't.

Hypocracy much?

Anyway, there the link from the Center for Immigrant Studies, a non-partisan think tank.


Note the way the statistics are taken here. Although the two groups are employed in similar circumstances, this statistic includes all Mexican immigrants, including both legal and illegals, and immigrants at all educational levels -- so the occaisonal Mexican doctor, lawyer, or engineer will also be included in this study. Despite the existence of positive outliers in the Mexican group that would be excluded from the native-born group, the median wage for Mexican immgrants is still less. Restricting our attention to only Mexican immigrants with less than high school education would almost certainly reduce the average Mexican wage even further.

You don't understand much about how wages are paid in America, do ya, "Dr."?

This is a useless statistic. It's too broad. As you yourself note, it includes legal immigrants and probably US citizens who are from Mexico (and there are a heckuva lot of them in America). And I was told (by you, maybe) that I am a RAAACCIIISSTTTTTTT!! for assuming that all immigrants, legal and otherwise come from Mexico.

Try again.

Tokie

 

[Zep]

Illegal Mexican kitten gets educated the Tokie way.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Illegal Mexican kitten gets educated the Tokie way.

[qimg]http://www.heumoore.com/getimage.jpg[/qimg]

LOL.

But not quite. It still seems to have its head on.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Well, this has been fun, but the experiment is over. And it's been a crushing success.

It took exactly two (2) posts for a liberal to derail this thread.

Hmmm.

Actually, I figured it would take about 4-5, so my own hypothesis was off a bit, but what the hey.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

So you admit you are an anarchist?

No.

LOL...it's pretty clear you (and I doubt you are alone in here) have any idea how "paying wages" works in America. And again, you are exercising that quite remarkable (kudos!) skill you have for twisting what I say...or misunderstanding it. I hope it's the former.

Really? I doubt it. What you've said has actually been pretty clear.

LOL! It's estimated that every illegal who puts $10,000 into the system, takes $30,000 out in benefits such as "free" schooling, healthcare, actual welfare, etc.

Okay, I'd like to see some evidence of that.

Yeah...you know, you just don't find too many in the leftist media running out to document the fact that illegals don't pay FICA, don't pay income taxes and that those who employ them don't have to pay all the "in-kinds" required by cities, counties, states and the feds. No idea why that would be, but there it is.

Yeah, but see, you didn't say that. You said:

Please explain how people coming to the US and being employed at greater wages than would be American workers are being "exploited"?

Wages is defined, according to my dictionary, as:

1. Often, wages. money that is paid or received for work or services, as by the hour, day, or week. Compare living wage, minimum wage.

So, see, I think you were being intentionally misleading. Good work.

It's not a matter of "evidence." It's a matter of common sense to anyone who has ever had to make a payroll (see the above).

In other words, you're saying you have no evidence for your claim?

Libel? Hmmm...you may have something there. I know that calling me a lib is fightin' woids....

"libel" is not equivalent to "fighting words". But perhaps I could use a much easier word to understand for you, and one that is probably more appropriate: Lying.

Wait, I have to pick up some brain pieces from the floor...okay, got that whole Jackie Kennedy thing out of the way, now I can address your nonsense: um...no. I don't know if you know this or not, but we are half a planet apart.

We are. We weren't a few months ago, when I was living in Corpus Christi, Texas.

I cannot "see" you, even though I am sure you believe Bill Gates or Dick Cheney is watching you through your computer.

No, I don't. I rather doubt I'm interesting enough to gain their interest, anyways. Plus, I look like hell in the morning without my caffeine.

I don't know what you "do"; I can only go by your words here, and so far, you are very much painting yourself into the "anarchist" (LOL!) corner.

You have yet to demonstrate how, or what "anarchist" ideals I supposedly have.

Do you often accuse people of being things that they aren't? This is either lying or looking very foolish.

Please, educate me as to how I'm an anarchist.

Um...do you know how long ago it's been since the Wall came down and Germany became one again? Just a guess?

The wall came down in 1989. That was only 18 years ago. Are you saying that economies become erected overnight?

The fact is, in East Germany, jobs are hard to come by. At least, that's the perception of people that actually live here.

And W. Germany had high unemployment, before Ronald Wilson Reagan caused the Wall to come down, anyway. Maybe worse than today, given that their government was even more socialist then. Besides, that's just an excuse...what's France's excuse for their 20% (oh...wait, that's right...they lie about all the second-class citizens there...they don't count) unemployment rate there?

Not sure about France.

I have no doubts that I will always appear foolish, but you seem like a smart young lady.

I'm a guy. Trust me, I have man-parts.

You should re-read what you said (aside from the me being foolish part) and see if you can figure anything out about that that doesn't quite track.

Like what?

Who is Stephen Colbert?

www.wikipedia.org <--- look it up yourself.

By the way, what I've done (as I find it necessary to do with young folks like you...and sometimes not so young) is to draw you out, make you say a bunch of stuff so I can figure out your political and social ideology.

Which you've shown yourself to be a master of, considering you actually claim I'm "anarchist".

I know what you are now.

No offense, but I really don't think you know at all.

It's dumber than being a liberal, but not nearly as dangerous.

Uh huh.

So can you please define in clear terms what "liberal", "anarchist", and "libertarian" means, for us? Just so we're clear what you're actually saying?

 

[Lonewulf]

Well, this has been fun, but the experiment is over. And it's been a crushing success.

Aw, don't run away! It's been fun!

 

[LostAngeles]

I love this kind of PC parsing of language and semantic circle-jerking.

"I din't say YOU were a racist!! I said you say racist things!!!"

LOL!

Tell me, LA...when did Spanish become a race?

Tokie

Actually, it's in accordance with the rules. If the moderators hadn't requested we differentiate between being a racist and saying racist things, I'd simply make the jump from your racist comments to you being a racist. Calling someone a racist is pretty much poisoning the well. Letting your words speak for themselves does far more to say how racist you are than I ever could.

Spanish is a language not a race. Hispanic refers to an ethnic background.

So... we should call you an ethno-cist? Semantic quibbling?

Still waiting for you to show that it was I and not you who equated Hispanic with illegal immigrant.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

LOL.

But not quite. It still seems to have its head on.

Tokie

You either meant to imply that you want illegal Mexicans decapitated, or you're too illiterate to write what you did mean.

In neither case does it appear you're qualified to pass judgment on the education other people should receive.