Why Can't They Figure it Out?

[Tokenconservative]

So being open to my personal viewpoints as to my father demonstrates my political views?

Can you please explain that one?

But you haven't even heard my political views.

I wasn't aware that "liberal" was an insulting derogatory term. And yes, I know plenty.

I just asked one of my friends. He said: "Social liberal, economically conservative."

Except that she works under military commanders. Her work specifically goes towards army goals. Her accounting directly deals with Army accounts.

She once got an award directly from a U.S. Army general (non-civilian).

I'm not sure why she should meet your criteria to be able to say she works for the Army.

Do you have a GS rank?

Do you have a GS rank?

No, it's being honest. You seem to dislike that for some reason.

Thanks, but somehow I doubt yelling at people and insulting them because I disagree with them on a messageboard will help me pick up chicks.

1. Yes, I can help you understand this: conservatives (generalising) keep their personal lives um...personal. It's liberals, dining on a rich diet of Oprah and having this reinforced by liberal teachers and profs and in some cases parents who believe that they should be "open and frank" and should "share" such things at every opportunity.

2. Again: I don't need you to jump up and down and shriek "I'm a PROGRESSSSIIIIVVVVEEEEE!!! See my Birkinstocks!! I drive a Prius! I drink venti soy lattes with extra no-fat soy foam and cinamon sprinkles!!" I am able to take the words (or deeds, if I am made aware of them) of people and understand from those their ideological leanings. Call it a function of age, if you will. If I meet a guy in the local pub and he says "Man, I had a helluva time pulling the heads off'n that '67 Camaro, today, then I hadda fix four flats on a dually and on this RV...whew! Glad to be off work, lemmee tell ya!" I can ASSUME he is a mechanic, professionally, and not a medical doctor. Now, I COULD be wrong...maybe he fixes flats on RVs as a hobby, and IF I misread these cues, mea culpa. But GENERALLY speaking, one can assume that a fellow sitting beside you at the end of the work day complaining like this is MOST LIKELY an auto mechanic.

3. Well, now you are aware that most liberals will, when identified as such, CLAIM that you are "calling names!" when you identify them for what they are. "Social lib/eco con" is a middle-of-the-road conservative. There is, by the way, no such thing as a middle-of-the-road liberal today. In for a penny, in for a pound on that side of the aisle. You are either a MoveOn.org far, far left socialist, or you are not welcome.

4. So what is her rank? And her MOS? Where is she stationed?

5. Yes, you can say "she works for the Army." You did not say that. You said--or implied, just lime my Postal workers--she is "in the military."

6. No I don't.

7. No I don't.

8. Do I need one? Will it get me a better table in nice restaraunts?

9. Yes, I do dislike that. It's what libs do, being "open and frank" and "just telling the truth..." I don't need to know that you had a bloody stool this morning, either. And entering a conversation by shrieking "My dad left me and my poor mom...the BASTARD!!!" when it is not in any concievable way germain to the conversation is, first and foremost, what liberals do, and secondly none of my business and therefore not something you should be interjecting in THIS conversation.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

1. Yes, I can help you understand this: conservatives (generalising) keep their personal lives um...personal.

Ah, so conservatives are all mental clones?

It's liberals, dining on a rich diet of Oprah

Actually, I hate Oprah, and I hate "Dr. Phil". I haven't seen that show in years, and when I did, I turned it off 5 minutes in.

and having this reinforced by liberal teachers and profs and in some cases parents who believe that they should be "open and frank" and should "share" such things at every opportunity.

Why not?

2. Again: I don't need you to jump up and down and shriek "I'm a PROGRESSSSIIIIVVVVEEEEE!!! See my Birkinstocks!! I drive a Prius! I drink venti soy lattes with extra no-fat soy foam and cinamon sprinkles!!" I am able to take the words (or deeds, if I am made aware of them) of people and understand from those their ideological leanings. Call it a function of age, if you will. If I meet a guy in the local pub and he says "Man, I had a helluva time pulling the heads off'n that '67 Camaro, today, then I hadda fix four flats on a dually and on this RV...whew! Glad to be off work, lemmee tell ya!" I can ASSUME he is a mechanic, professionally, and not a medical doctor. Now, I COULD be wrong...maybe he fixes flats on RVs as a hobby, and IF I misread these cues, mea culpa. But GENERALLY speaking, one can assume that a fellow sitting beside you at the end of the work day complaining like this is MOST LIKELY an auto mechanic.

And a person that talks about his parents is most likely to be liberal in politics?

Ooookay. I'll just take your word for it.

3. Well, now you are aware that most liberals will, when identified as such, CLAIM that you are "calling names!" when you identify them for what they are.

It's funny, because I have yet to actually see that.

Really, I just find it funny how quick you are to judge a person's entire ideology and viewpoint when given only a few data points.

"Social lib/eco con" is a middle-of-the-road conservative.

Ah, so he's not a True Scotsman... I mean, Liberal.

There is, by the way, no such thing as a middle-of-the-road liberal today.

"Social liberal/economic conservative" is a middle-road liberal just as much as it is a "middle road conservative".

In for a penny, in for a pound on that side of the aisle. You are either a MoveOn.org far, far left socialist, or you are not welcome.

Huh, interesting. Guess I'm educated, then. I never knew that.

And I'm sure that the conservatives aren't like that at all. I mean, if you disagree with the conservative mindset at all, you're still welcome with open arms, right? Like when you disagree with the main viewpoints involving stem cells, abortion, gay marriage, etc.?

4. So what is her rank? And her MOS? Where is she stationed?

GS 12 is a rank. I just said that. Please keep up.

She's stationed in a local army base. I forget the name, I'll ask her later.

5. Yes, you can say "she works for the Army." You did not say that. You said--or implied, just lime my Postal workers--she is "in the military."

Quote me. Back that claim up.

6. No I don't.

7. No I don't.

Then you don't work for the Army. Thank you, good night.

8. Do I need one? Will it get me a better table in nice restaraunts?

No, it would mean you work for the Armed Forces.

9. Yes, I do dislike that. It's what libs do, being "open and frank" and "just telling the truth..." I don't need to know that you had a bloody stool this morning, either.

When I tell you that I had a "bloody stool", then this complaint will make sense.

And entering a conversation by shrieking "My dad left me and my poor mom...the BASTARD!!!"when it is not in any concievable way germain to the conversation is, first and foremost, what liberals do, and secondly none of my business and therefore not something you should be interjecting in THIS conversation.

I apologize, then, for offending your conservative sensibilities. I'm sorry that you cannot handle that information. I'll be sure to make sure that everything I say is equivalent to what you would see on Leave it to Beaver.

Also, can you please quote where I "shrieked", or said what you said above? You seem to be misattributing what I say with the voices in your head.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Ah, so conservatives are all mental clones?

Actually, I hate Oprah, and I hate "Dr. Phil". I haven't seen that show in years, and when I did, I turned it off 5 minutes in.

Why not?

And a person that talks about his parents is most likely to be liberal in politics?

Ooookay. I'll just take your word for it.


It's funny, because I have yet to actually see that.

Really, I just find it funny how quick you are to judge a person's entire ideology and viewpoint when given only a few data points.


Ah, so he's not a True Scotsman... I mean, Liberal.


"Social liberal/economic conservative" is a middle-road liberal just as much as it is a "middle road conservative".


Huh, interesting. Guess I'm educated, then. I never knew that.

And I'm sure that the conservatives aren't like that at all. I mean, if you disagree with the conservative mindset at all, you're still welcome with open arms, right? Like when you disagree with the main viewpoints involving stem cells, abortion, gay marriage, etc.?


GS 12 is a rank. I just said that. Please keep up.

She's stationed in a local army base. I forget the name, I'll ask her later.

Quote me. Back that claim up.

Then you don't work for the Army. Thank you, good night.

No, it would mean you work for the Armed Forces.

When I tell you that I had a "bloody stool", then this complaint will make sense.

I apologize, then, for offending your conservative sensibilities. I'm sorry that you cannot handle that information. I'll be sure to make sure that everything I say is equivalent to what you would see on Leave it to Beaver.

Also, can you please quote where I "shrieked", or said what you said above? You seem to be misattributing what I say with the voices in your head.

1. You are engaging in what is typical liberal behavior, though: first, I am not to label you, second is the "not meeeee!" defense which goes: "well, yeah...all them other libs ______ but....not meeeeee!" It doesn't matter whether you watch Oprah. You have bought into the Oprah culture, as demonstrated by your lack of social comportment with, first, your sharing of personal information and verified by your asking "why not!?" Go back and read the last sentence I just wrote. See that word that starts with "p"? Go look it up. Look up the big one that starts with "c", too.

2. Wonderful Playbook equivocation. No, of course not. Clarence Thomas talks about his "parent" extensively in his new book. One who interjects "I HATE my DAD!" into a conversation that has nothing to do with that person's dad--hated or loved--is a liberal.

3. You may find it "funny," but you are young. As you grow into adulthood and get older, you'll find that you'll leave behind (or should...many libs of course do not) some of this childish thinking, to wit: I will wait until a person TELLS me what they are politically before I just assume someone who travels thousands of miles to protest the G-8 in their Che tee is a liberal!!!" You'll be waiting a long time. Libs NEVER admit that's what they are (see: um...well...you!).

4. LOL. GS stands for Government Service, I believe. The number is a type of ranKING. It's not rank, as the term is used in the military. I asked for your mother's RANK in the Army. Is she a major? captain? colonel, what?

5. No. I don't work for the army. I've done work for people IN the military, but I, unlike you, have a very clear understanding of the difference between things like doing work for people in the military, being a civilian contractor hired by the military and being IN the military.

6. No, it would not. It MIGHT mean you contract to one or other of the services. When you work FOR the military, you are IN the military.

7. You have to work a LOT harder thanyou have been to offend me. I am simply pointing up the FACTS: you are a liberal as is borne out by your words. Now, if you also wear Che tees and protest the G8, that would simply be verification.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

1. You are engaging in what is typical liberal behavior, though: first, I am not to label you, second is the "not meeeee!" defense which goes: "well, yeah...all them other libs ______ but....not meeeeee!" It doesn't matter whether you watch Oprah. You have bought into the Oprah culture, as demonstrated by your lack of social comportment with, first, your sharing of personal information and verified by your asking "why not!?" Go back and read the last sentence I just wrote. See that word that starts with "p"? Go look it up. Look up the big one that starts with "c", too.

Uh huh.

2. Wonderful Playbook equivocation. No, of course not. Clarence Thomas talks about his "parent" extensively in his new book. One who interjects "I HATE my DAD!" into a conversation that has nothing to do with that person's dad--hated or loved--is a liberal.

Okay. Though I never said anything about the dad being a liberal, so I don't quite see what you're saying.

3. You may find it "funny," but you are young. As you grow into adulthood and get older, you'll find that you'll leave behind (or should...many libs of course do not) some of this childish thinking, to wit: I will wait until a person TELLS me what they are politically before I just assume someone who travels thousands of miles to protest the G-8 in their Che tee is a liberal!!!" You'll be waiting a long time. Libs NEVER admit that's what they are (see: um...well...you!).

I never had reason to admit what I am and what I am not. Personally, I'm usually undecided when it comes to matters of government. I lean towards libertarianism in ideals, but at the same time, Germany is just fine with a strong government.

On the other hand, I'm all for personal liberties. I think that some personal liberties should be guarded, and if we don't use the Government to do it, then there has to be another source to do so.

4. LOL. GS stands for Government Service, I believe. The number is a type of ranKING. It's not rank, as the term is used in the military. I asked for your mother's RANK in the Army. Is she a major? captain? colonel, what?

I forget what the GS 12 rank is equivalent to. I'll have to ask her.

GS rank has equivalency to military rank, but it's limited.

5. No. I don't work for the army. I've done work for people IN the military, but I, unlike you, have a very clear understanding of the difference between things like doing work for people in the military, being a civilian contractor hired by the military and being IN the military.

Actually, you don't seem to know much at all.

If you work for the Army, on an Army base, with Army accounts, you're still working for the Army. QED.

All you're trying to do is to use semantics to try to "score" in an argument to seem superior to me. Sorry, but it isn't working on this end.

6. No, it would not. It MIGHT mean you contract to one or other of the services. When you work FOR the military, you are IN the military.

And working directly under military commanders just means you're doing it for funsies? I really don't get your point here.

You know what, though? I'll drop it. Okay, I'm an evil liberal fascist that apparently was entirely wrong in saying that my mother worked for the Army, even though she does.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to talk about?

7. You have to work a LOT harder thanyou have been to offend me. I am simply pointing up the FACTS: you are a liberal as is borne out by your words.

If you say so.

Now, if you also wear Che tees and protest the G8, that would simply be verification.

So you can't have an opinion on a subject without arbitrarily falling in an "Either/Or" group? Is your entire world black and white, Liberal or Conservative?

I feel sad for you.

As for the G8, I don't particularly see a reason to be against it, but I'm not well-studied on the subject. I also don't wear "Che tees".

 

[NobbyNobbs]

As for head count: this is why the public schools where I live (I doubt Ohio has this problem the way we do) are out in front in the battle to allow the children of illegals to attend our "free" schools and to throw open the borders to even more of them. The more noses they count in a school, the more money the school gets, whether that nose has a right to be there or not.

I just got here, and so I don't know if this has been mentioned, refuted, discussed, or debunked, but there's one little, tiny point you're overlooking.

Children of illegal immigrants, if they are born in the USA, are full and legal citizens, deserving of all the privileges that go with citizenship.

To punish these children for the faults of their parents is like advocating original sin (something else I've never understood).

These kids have as much a right to be in school as yours. They have as much a right to healthcare as yours. They have a right to be protected by our laws, just like yours. These are children of illegal immigrants, they are not in themselves illegal immigrants.

They are U.S. citizens.

 

[LostAngeles]

Token, when you get done, "demonstrating," how liberal Lonewulf is, would you mind clearing up your insinuations of me being a racist, please?

Thanks.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Token, when you get done, "demonstrating," how liberal Lonewulf is, would you mind clearing up your insinuations of me being a racist, please?

Thanks.

You are clearly heavily baised against the Yukagir, a native people of siberia.

{I just kept flashing on the kids in the hall sketch about finding who this guy was biased against and it was the Sami of Lapland}

 

[Lonewulf]

Update: My mom is equivalent in civilian rank as a Major has in military rank. At the least, that's what GS 12 means. She works in "Hammond's Barracks", near Mannheim, Germany.

Fun stuff.

 

[fishbob]

To Tokie:

Do you assume that anyone that disagrees with you is a liberal? Are there any other choices besides "liberal" and "conservative"?

Yes he does.
Paranoia is not pretty.
Neither is deja vu.

 

[ImaginalDisc]

Paranoia is not pretty.
Neither is deja vu.

Neither is paranoia.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Neither is paranoia.

Nonsense Friend Citizen, please report the the termination booths for Treason. Have a Nice Day.

Remember Happiness is Mandatory.

 

[Tokenconservative]

Uh huh.

Okay. Though I never said anything about the dad being a liberal, so I don't quite see what you're saying.

I never had reason to admit what I am and what I am not. Personally, I'm usually undecided when it comes to matters of government. I lean towards libertarianism in ideals, but at the same time, Germany is just fine with a strong government.

On the other hand, I'm all for personal liberties. I think that some personal liberties should be guarded, and if we don't use the Government to do it, then there has to be another source to do so.


I forget what the GS 12 rank is equivalent to. I'll have to ask her.

GS rank has equivalency to military rank, but it's limited.

Actually, you don't seem to know much at all.

If you work for the Army, on an Army base, with Army accounts, you're still working for the Army. QED.

All you're trying to do is to use semantics to try to "score" in an argument to seem superior to me. Sorry, but it isn't working on this end.

And working directly under military commanders just means you're doing it for funsies? I really don't get your point here.

You know what, though? I'll drop it. Okay, I'm an evil liberal fascist that apparently was entirely wrong in saying that my mother worked for the Army, even though she does.

Now, do you have anything meaningful to talk about?


If you say so.


So you can't have an opinion on a subject without arbitrarily falling in an "Either/Or" group? Is your entire world black and white, Liberal or Conservative?

I feel sad for you.

As for the G8, I don't particularly see a reason to be against it, but I'm not well-studied on the subject. I also don't wear "Che tees".

It's fun arguing with you LW, but you are young and it's now becoming circular. Let's recap:

1. Certain things you say/the way you present them signify to me a more left-leaning than centrist, conservative nor certainly "libertarian" (my guess: you are confusing that with "liberal" because of the root) view.

2. Your mother's boss cannot order her to pick up her weapon, put on her BDUs and report to Ramstein for the next C-41 to Iraq. If he does, she can tell him to shove it, and quit. While in SOME cases, a soldier can do that too, they are diminishingly rare, whereas a GS12 can do it all day long and not end up in Leavenworth...that's the difference. She works for the US government, assigned to the Army.

3. I would be the last person in the world to argue that I know much. One thing you find out as you get older, is how truly ignorant you are, given that when you were younger you knew everything.

4. It's not a matter of semantics. It's a matter of clarity. Here, there's a big dustup over something Rush Limbaugh said when he referenced "phony soldiers" (he was talking about a guy who washed out of basic, then went on to claim he'd been in Iraq, was wounded there and was not a "soldier" standing up against the war). The left has been shrieking for weeks about this, claiming that Limbaugh is "dissing" US service people. It sounded to me like you were trying to gain some street cred by association with your mother who you implied was a military professional. Which WOULD by-the-by, buy you some cred vis a vis military matters then. Your mom is an accountant employed by the US fed. gov't assigned to the Army in Germany. She does not put BDUs on every morning and does not know how to field-strip and M-16. She prolly kills a 10-column tho!

5. No, you are not an evil liberal fascist. I've met evil liberal fascists. You are young, and tend to spout off without thinking (myself: I don't have the "young" excuse any longer). Which is fine. But when you do that in a forum like this, you should expect some old fart, or even some young mouthy type, to call you on it.

6. It's not necessary to agree. But clarity is nice. As for your political proclivities: you seem to be parroting a lot of what you were taught in your left-liberal upbringing...public schools or East/West coast private schooling?

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Token, when you get done, "demonstrating," how liberal Lonewulf is, would you mind clearing up your insinuations of me being a racist, please?

Thanks.

Sure....soon's you show how I am.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

It's fun arguing with you LW, but you are young and it's now becoming circular.

Funny how that works.

1. Certain things you say/the way you present them signify to me a more left-leaning than centrist, conservative nor certainly "libertarian" (my guess: you are confusing that with "liberal" because of the root) view.

No, I'm not confusing anything. I know perfectly well the difference between libertarian and liberal.

I have seriously considered the libertarian ideal, and I'm perfectly behind this idea:

"That all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty."

Which means, yes, legalization of drugs, prostitution, and similar deals. I'm fine with that. I'm also for the legalization of personal extreme body modification.

I also have thought, for a long time, that the less government there is, the better our country would be. I'm beginning to rethink the latter, but not the former.

2. Your mother's boss cannot order her to pick up her weapon, put on her BDUs and report to Ramstein for the next C-41 to Iraq. If he does, she can tell him to shove it, and quit. While in SOME cases, a soldier can do that too, they are diminishingly rare, whereas a GS12 can do it all day long and not end up in Leavenworth...that's the difference. She works for the US government, assigned to the Army.

They can order her to wear full MOPP gear, as she did when stationed in Korea.

Either way, your "difference" is uninspiring and, honestly, is just made to "score points".

OMG, my mom's not an actual soldier, so she's somehow lesser!

3. I would be the last person in the world to argue that I know much. One thing you find out as you get older, is how truly ignorant you are, given that when you were younger you knew everything.

And yet, you gain impressive mind-reading powers, given the ability to know a person's entire personal ideology with a few posts on an internet forum? WOW! I hope I can learn to be psychic too!

4. It's not a matter of semantics. It's a matter of clarity. Here, there's a big dustup over something Rush Limbaugh said when he referenced "phony soldiers" (he was talking about a guy who washed out of basic, then went on to claim he'd been in Iraq, was wounded there and was not a "soldier" standing up against the war). The left has been shrieking for weeks about this, claiming that Limbaugh is "dissing" US service people. It sounded to me like you were trying to gain some street cred by association with your mother who you implied was a military professional. Which WOULD by-the-by, buy you some cred vis a vis military matters then. Your mom is an accountant employed by the US fed. gov't assigned to the Army in Germany. She does not put BDUs on every morning and does not know how to field-strip and M-16. She prolly kills a 10-column tho!

It's honestly fascinating how obsessed you are over this point.

5. No, you are not an evil liberal fascist. I've met evil liberal fascists. You are young, and tend to spout off without thinking (myself: I don't have the "young" excuse any longer). Which is fine. But when you do that in a forum like this, you should expect some old fart, or even some young mouthy type, to call you on it.

I hope they all do it with the efficiency and intelligence of people like you!

Oh, wait, sorry, wrong person.

6. It's not necessary to agree. But clarity is nice. As for your political proclivities: you seem to be parroting a lot of what you were taught in your left-liberal upbringing...public schools or East/West coast private schooling?

Both. DODD schools in Korea, Del Mar College in Corpus Christi, Texas for my college education, and right now the University of Heidelberg in Germany.

I don't "parrot" anything. I say what is, in my opinion, the point that has the most valid evidence and logic behind it. If you disagree, you can point out the illogic or evidence to the contrary. However, claiming that someone "parrots" something because it happens to agree with someone else you disagree with, does not get us anywhere.

 

[Tokenconservative]

I just got here, and so I don't know if this has been mentioned, refuted, discussed, or debunked, but there's one little, tiny point you're overlooking.

Children of illegal immigrants, if they are born in the USA, are full and legal citizens, deserving of all the privileges that go with citizenship.

To punish these children for the faults of their parents is like advocating original sin (something else I've never understood).

These kids have as much a right to be in school as yours. They have as much a right to healthcare as yours. They have a right to be protected by our laws, just like yours. These are children of illegal immigrants, they are not in themselves illegal immigrants.

They are U.S. citizens.

LOL. What country do you think this is?

My kids have a right to school. So do the kids of illegals who were BORN here. The kids of illegals who were not born here should not be in our schools. Neither should the other kind, but right now our Constitution says they should be.

As for healthcare: um....no...my kids (whose great grandparents were born here) don't have a "right" to healthcare. I pay for that. Now, the kids of illegals DO have this right. That's because most states have laws that say that emergency rooms must treat anyone who shows up. These people, of course, don't pay for this--I do, when I take MY kids there (and so do you, but in your liberal pique, you don't "get" that--and as teacher have such an embarassingly attractive healthcare plan, you really don't care). If I take my kids to the emergecny room...I have to pay for it. Along with the healthcare of all those illegals, kids and otherwise, lined up in the ER with us!

See the difference?

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

As for healthcare: um....no...my kids (whose great grandparents were born here) don't have a "right" to healthcare. I pay for that. Now, the kids of illegals DO have this right. That's because most states have laws that say that emergency rooms must treat anyone who shows up. These people, of course, don't pay for this--I do, when I take MY kids there (and so do you, but in your liberal pique, you don't "get" that--and as teacher have such an embarassingly attractive healthcare plan, you really don't care). If I take my kids to the emergecny room...I have to pay for it. Along with the healthcare of all those illegals, kids and otherwise, lined up in the ER with us!

So you want the children of illegals to be tossed to the curb and left to die while suffering from appendicitis?

 

[Tokenconservative]

Funny how that works.


No, I'm not confusing anything. I know perfectly well the difference between libertarian and liberal.

I have seriously considered the libertarian ideal, and I'm perfectly behind this idea:

"That all persons are the absolute owners of their own lives, and should be free to do whatever they wish with their persons or property, provided they allow others the same liberty."

Which means, yes, legalization of drugs, prostitution, and similar deals. I'm fine with that. I'm also for the legalization of personal extreme body modification.

I also have thought, for a long time, that the less government there is, the better our country would be. I'm beginning to rethink the latter, but not the former.


They can order her to wear full MOPP gear, as she did when stationed in Korea.

Either way, your "difference" is uninspiring and, honestly, is just made to "score points".

OMG, my mom's not an actual soldier, so she's somehow lesser!


And yet, you gain impressive mind-reading powers, given the ability to know a person's entire personal ideology with a few posts on an internet forum? WOW! I hope I can learn to be psychic too!


It's honestly fascinating how obsessed you are over this point.


I hope they all do it with the efficiency and intelligence of people like you!

Oh, wait, sorry, wrong person.


Both. DODD schools in Korea, Del Mar College in Corpus Christi, Texas for my college education, and right now the University of Heidelberg in Germany.

I don't "parrot" anything. I say what is, in my opinion, the point that has the most valid evidence and logic behind it. If you disagree, you can point out the illogic or evidence to the contrary. However, claiming that someone "parrots" something because it happens to agree with someone else you disagree with, does not get us anywhere.

Ah...now I see. You are confusing the ideals of libertarianism with "anarchy."

Gotcha.

No...they can't "order" your mom to do anything outside the scope of her employment. If she agreed in her contract that the CO in Korea could order her to wear a uniform, so be it. But she could also have told him "no thanks," quit, got on the next flight home. As a GS12, she probably wouldn't even have been fired from the fed payroll, but would likely not be working for the Army again.

It's not psychic or psychotic. It's experience. I've had virtually this same argument with dozens of young people like you...which is how I know (from that comment on piercing) that you are using the term "libertarianism" inaccurately.

It may not "prove" anything, but it is what it is. I don't imagine you picked up your ideals about sticking pieces of metal all over yourself from the Army, by the way.

Tokie

 

[Lonewulf]

Ah...now I see. You are confusing the ideals of libertarianism with "anarchy."

Gotcha.

Wrong.

It's not psychic or psychotic. It's experience. I've had virtually this same argument with dozens of young people like you...which is how I know (from that comment on piercing) that you are using the term "libertarianism" inaccurately.

Uh huh, 'kay.

It may not "prove" anything, but it is what it is. I don't imagine you picked up your ideals about sticking pieces of metal all over yourself from the Army, by the way.

'kay.

 

[Tokenconservative]

So you want the children of illegals to be tossed to the curb and left to die while suffering from appendicitis?

Yes, that is the cunundrum, isn't it?

No, I don't want that, but since you asked, here IS what I would like to see:
I want one--just one--CEO and his/her HR director of a fortune 100 company to be arrested for the crime of knowingly employing illegal aliens, charged, prosecuted, sentenced to the fullest extent of the law and perp walked to a federal maximum security pen.

That will solve the problem. How, you ask?
Simple: if just one CEO is actually punished for employing illegals, ALL CEOs (from Wal-Mart down to Joe's Landscaping) will suddenly find Americans to do the "jobs Americans won't do!!!" and all their illegals will be out of work. They'll hang around for a month, maybe as long as six, but by the end of a year, millions of illegals will have self-deported (very few of them want to be Americans...if you've taught in schools populated by 80%+ children of illegals, you know that few of their children do, either). They can get all the free healthcare they want in Mehico, as far as I am concerned.

Now, that's about as likely to happen as I am likely to sprout wings and fly to Mars. Especially with the traitor we now have in the Oval Office. And the one coming up, she don't look none too good for allowing that, niether.

Meanwhile, there kids should NOT be educated in our schools. It is an ENORMOUS drain on our resources, and these children, coming from homes where education is openly denigrated for the most part, are some of the most disruptive in the schools, besides.

Tokie

 

[Tokenconservative]

Wrong.


Uh huh, 'kay.


'kay.

Hmmmm....brilliant riposte. I shore dun been put in MY place!

Outside the part about sticking pieces of metal in your body (by the way: as far as I know, there are no laws in the US preventing you from doing that all you want, so long as it is YOUR body, and you are of majority age), which indicates you are an "anarchist," the other things you mentioned are the same things other anarchists latch onto to avoid self-identifying as "anarchists."

As I said: been there, dun that a dozen times before.

Tokie