Why a one-way Crush down is not possible

[AndrewIlluminatus]

I can't speak for others but to me it is sooo obvious that most of you guys know what happened on 9/11 the same as we do. But for your own reasons you defend the perps.

Alternatively, hypothetically speaking, they may not be witting collaborators or conspirators in anything, but simply mind-control victims hypnotised to believe the "authorities" (media, politicians, teachers, parents, peers etc.) and to be good little patriots, nationalists and lovers of the great and infallible US of A. What any "US Regime Sponsored Conspiracy Theory Sceptics" like us are suggesting is literally inconceivable for them to accept. Google: "The Ultimate Revolution" lecture by Aldous Huxley at Berkley back in 1962 and you will see that this particular stage of human social development was fully predictable way back then. People who are suffering from having their minds hypnotically programmed for them by more "dominant alpha" types literally do appear to perceive what we might call "extrinsic reality" in a very odd manner. Watch any stage hypnotist at work or watch the literally ecstatic expressions and emotions shown on the faces of the German population in the brilliant propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will" by Leni Riefenstahl.

A Soviet correspondent based for five years in the U.S. observed: "I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world in the field of advertising and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency ... Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious ... I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours ... and we tend to disbelieve ours."

Edward Bernays (nephew of Sigmund Freud), "father" of US mass-hypnosis propaganda, famously observed: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are moulded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organised. Vast numbers of human beings must co-operate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ... In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons ... who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

 

[AndrewIlluminatus]

How's this for a simple fact, Andrew? WTC7 did NOT collapse in 6.5 seconds, as you stated. That's a fact. It is not up for debate.

I suspect that this alleged "fact" is up for debate because it is rather difficult exactly to time when the roof level would have reached street level when that event in time was completely obscured, by the dust cloud. What was perhaps more interesting was the smooth resistance free drop of the roof line in the initial couple of seconds that showed no structural integrity in the entire building, whatsoever, remained, just after loud explosions were heard, that appeared to precede the "collapse process". Moreover we have video evidence that the building was about "to blow up" so people nearby should move back.

 

[332nd]

Alternatively, hypothetically speaking, they may not be witting collaborators or conspirators in anything, but simply mind-control victims hypnotised to believe the "authorities" (media, politicians, teachers, parents, peers etc.) and to be good little patriots, nationalists and lovers of the great and infallible US of A. What any "US Regime Sponsored Conspiracy Theory Sceptics" like us are suggesting is literally inconceivable for them to accept. Google: "The Ultimate Revolution" lecture by Aldous Huxley at Berkley back in 1962 and you will see that this particular stage of human social development was fully predictable way back then. People who are suffering from having their minds hypnotically programmed for them by more "dominant alpha" types literally do appear to perceive what we might call "extrinsic reality" in a very odd manner. Watch any stage hypnotist at work or watch the literally ecstatic expressions and emotions shown on the faces of the German population in the brilliant propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will" by Leni Riefenstahl.

Or you guys could just be wrong.

 

[WilliamSeger]

Summary of Heiwa's fantasy physics

It also explains why controlled demolition companies do not drop top parts of buildings to demolish them. It doesn't work.

Hmm.... you've "forgotten" about this, already?



Seems to work pretty well. Just my non-engineers opinion, but I'd guess that the reason that collapse looks remarkably to the WTC collapses is that it was remarkably similar: weakened columns were pulled out of the way, and gravity did the rest. And neither seems to be very similar to a stack of pizza boxes.

 

[Furcifer]

Even if some kind of "chimney effect" feeding in higher rates of oxygen, raised localised temperatures to say 1000C, that was still not hot enough to account for molten steel reports or for the interesting (officially accepted) sulphur contamination and the eutectic reports.

lol, what molten steel?

How far along are you on your terminal velocity calculations? We wait with anticipation.

 

[alienentity]

Alienentity, the collapses initiated at the 98th floor of the North Tower and the 82nd floor of the South Tower. In both cases it was just above the aircraft impact zones on floors with fires but little impact damage.

As for the speed of collapse, we know the acceleration was approximately 0.7g for the first 114 feet of the fall of the North Tower's upper block where it is visible. Assuming that acceleration was consistent for the remainder of the fall, then the North Tower would have collapsed in approximately 11 seconds.

I haven't been involved in or heard of any actual measurements of the fall of the South Tower. I know the NIST figure is something like 8 seconds. However, I believe they are talking about the time for the first collapsed material to hit the ground, and since that would have come from the 82nd floor then it would have been at least several more seconds for the full collapse to be complete.

As for the SE on the towers you are speaking of I assume you mean Leslie Robertson. If so, yes I am aware that he supports the NIST report and doesn't think anything untoward happened. However, in his debate with Steven Jones, which took place in Oct. 2006, he admitted that he had not done any calculations on the speeds of collapse to confirm his view that nothing untoward could have occurred. The link to a transcript of the debate, which also contains a link to a podcast of the debate which you can listen to, is here http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/200704/Roberts_AnnotatedJones-RobertsonTranscript.pdf

Hi Tony,

Thank you for the reply. I was just trying to determine whether you had a basic grasp of the facts. You seem to be fairly close, although the video evidence on the N tower seems to contradict your assumption that 'acceleration was consistent for the remainder of the fall,' resulting in an 11 second collapse time. It appears more like 17 seconds or more. Slightly less for the S. Tower. Just look at the frames for yourself and you can see at 11 seconds the building is still visible....

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/ntc_frames.html

Generally truthers tend to underestimate the collapse times, for the towers and for WTC7. I hope you agree that building 7 required at least 14 seconds to collapse, based on the visual evidence.

Moving to Leslie Robertson, yes, I was referring to him. You correctly pointed out that he did not bother calculating the expected collapse time for the towers, but you skipped over the fact he DID calculate, or 'carried it far enough along' to determine that once the upper block began to move, nothing could have prevented the building from collapsing down essentially to the foundation.

He didn't see the necessity to calculate something which was already inevitable. The question whether the towers collapsed from structural failure due to impacts and fires was never a serious question for him, nor should it be for others who attempt to credibly study the collapses.

Unfortunately for those such as yourself, you are in a position of contradicting someone whose knowledge and expertise on the matter far exceeds your own.
The correct response is to abandon your incorrect approach and adopt the obviously superior one.

It is disappointing you haven't done that. That is the precise reason why the 9/11 truth movement is a failed concept - it refuses to learn from those who possess the greater knowledge and expertise. In fact it is hostile to that same knowledge. A fatal flaw if there ever was one.

 

[alienentity]

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Originally Posted by AndrewIlluminatus
Even if some kind of "chimney effect" feeding in higher rates of oxygen, raised localised temperatures to say 1000C, that was still not hot enough to account for molten steel reports or for the interesting (officially accepted) sulphur contamination and the eutectic reports.'

No Andrew, you are once again in need of correction (where do you get your mangled data?) 1000c is the temperature expected for eutectic formation. It is a sulfidation process which occurs far below the normal melting point of steel.

 

[AndrewIlluminatus]

How much thermite? You know Jones just made that scam up. Why don't you have your own original ideas on 911? Yes, it is easier to use Jones failed thermite scam than to think up a new fraud.

What a weird way of thinking in my opinion! If there was any thermite at all used on 9/11 then it really does not matter how much was used. It was simply not supposed to be there at all! The jury is probably "still out", IMO, on the whether Jones has failed in disseminating a plausible sounding theory or not. I suspect that Jones did not create his theory and lose his job just because he wanted to create a mischievous scam to hoax people for a little bit of fun. If any thermite was used at all on 9/11 then the infamous 19 grumpy young men being responsible for all of the mayhem of the terrorist attack of 9/11 "official conspiracy theory" disappears in a puff of smoke faster than 1kg of thermite going of.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13189

Traces of explosives in 9/11 dust, scientists say
by Elaine Jarvik
Global Research, April 14, 2009
Tiny red and gray chips found in the dust from the collapse of the World Trade Center contain highly explosive materials — proof, according to a former BYU professor, that 9/11 is still a sinister mystery.
Physicist Steven E. Jones, who retired from Brigham Young University in 2006 after the school recoiled from the controversy surrounding his 9/11 theories, is one of nine authors on a paper published last week in the online, peer-reviewed Open Chemical Physics Journal. Also listed as authors are BYU physics professor Jeffrey Farrer and a professor of nanochemistry at the University of Copenhagen in Denmark.
For several years, Jones has theorized that pre-positioned explosives, not fires from jet fuel, caused the rapid, symmetrical collapse of the two World Trade Center buildings, plus the collapse of a third building, WTC-7.
The newest research, according to the journal authors, shows that dust from the collapsing towers contained a "nano-thermite" material that is highly explosive. Although the article draws no conclusions about the source and purpose of the explosives, Jones has previously supported a theory that the collapse of the WTC towers was part of a government conspiracy to ignore warnings about the 9/11 terrorists so that the attack would propel America to wage war against Afghanistan and Iraq.
The next step, Jones said in a phone interview on Monday, is for someone to investigate "who made the stuff and why it was there."
A layer of dust lay over parts of Manhattan immediately following the collapse of the towers, and it was samples of this dust that Jones and fellow researchers requested in a 2006 paper, hoping to determine "the whole truth of the events of that day." They eventually tested four samples they received from New Yorkers.
One sample was from a man who had swept up a handful of dust on the Brooklyn Bridge, where he was walking when the second tower fell. As the journal authors note, "It was, therefore, definitely not contaminated by the steel-cutting or clean-up operations at Ground Zero, which began later. Furthermore, it is not mixed with dust from WTC-7, which fell hours later."
Another man collected dust in his apartment, about five blocks from the World Trade Center, on the morning of Sept. 12. There was a layer about an inch thick on a stack of folded laundry near an open window.
Red/gray chips, averaging in size between .2 and 3 mm, were found in all four dust samples. The chips were then analyzed using scanning electron microscopy and other high-tech tools.
The red layer of the chips, according to the researchers, contains a "highly energetic" form of thermite. While normal thermite (a mixture of finely granulated aluminum and an oxide of metal) can be incendiary, "super thermite" is explosive. He says there is no benign explanation for the thermite in the WTC dust.
Jones made headlines in 2005 when he argued that the rapid and symmetrical fall of the World Trade Center looked like the result of pre-positioned explosives. He argued that fires alone wouldn't have been hot enough to crumble the buildings; and that even if struck by planes, the towers should have been strong enough to support the weight of the tops as they crumbled — unless they were leveled by explosives.
Essentially forced to retire, Jones says he is now paying for research out of his own pocket. He likens himself to Galileo and Newton, who stood by their consciences. "I would like to think I could stand up for the truth," he says.
The dust study vindicates his earlier theories, Jones says, but he has mixed feelings about the implications. "As a young student said to me a while back: 'It's exciting from a scientific point of view, because things are now making sense. But I feel sad for my country.’"

 

[bill smith]

Alternatively, hypothetically speaking, they may not be witting collaborators or conspirators in anything, but simply mind-control victims hypnotised to believe the "authorities" (media, politicians, teachers, parents, peers etc.) and to be good little patriots, nationalists and lovers of the great and infallible US of A. What any "US Regime Sponsored Conspiracy Theory Sceptics" like us are suggesting is literally inconceivable for them to accept. Google: "The Ultimate Revolution" lecture by Aldous Huxley at Berkley back in 1962 and you will see that this particular stage of human social development was fully predictable way back then. People who are suffering from having their minds hypnotically programmed for them by more "dominant alpha" types literally do appear to perceive what we might call "extrinsic reality" in a very odd manner. Watch any stage hypnotist at work or watch the literally ecstatic expressions and emotions shown on the faces of the German population in the brilliant propaganda movie "Triumph of the Will" by Leni Riefenstahl.

A Soviet correspondent based for five years in the U.S. observed: "I have the greatest admiration for your propaganda. Propaganda in the West is carried out by experts who have had the best training in the world in the field of advertising and have mastered the techniques with exceptional proficiency ... Yours are subtle and persuasive; ours are crude and obvious ... I think that the fundamental difference between our worlds, with respect to propaganda, is quite simple. You tend to believe yours ... and we tend to disbelieve ours."

Edward Bernays (nephew of Sigmund Freud), "father" of US mass-hypnosis propaganda, famously observed: "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organised habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government, which is the true ruling power of our country. ... We are governed, our minds are moulded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organised. Vast numbers of human beings must co-operate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ... In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons ... who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

I believe all that applies to most of the public at large but not to many of the posters here. Many of those have been exposed to a range of alternative theories and strong evidence of government complicity in 9/11. They could not NOT know at this point. A person can only be an apologist up to a certain point which we are now long past. After that it becomes something else altogether.

Another famous individual said the following which also has a certain resonance;

"All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."

 

[332nd]

I believe all that applies to most of the public at large but not to many of the posters here. Many of those have been exposed to a range of alternative theories and strong evidence of government complicity in 9/11. They could not NOT know at this point. A person can only be an apologist up to a certain point which we are now long past. After that it becomes something else altogether.

Another famous individual said the following which also has a certain resonance;

"All this was inspired by the principle -- which is quite true in itself -- that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily, and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes."

A group of famous individuals said: We Don't Need No.. Education".

Seriously, the funny thing is, you really don't see that applying to yourself do you?

 

[dtugg]

I believe all that applies to most of the public at large but not to many of the posters here. Many of those have been exposed to a range of alternative theories and strong evidence of government complicity in 9/11. They could not NOT know at this point. A person can only be an apologist up to a certain point which we are now long past. After that it becomes something else altogether.

No such evidence exists, twoofer, except in the minds of moron terrorist apologists.

 

[beachnut]

.. A person can only be an apologist up to a certain point which we are now long past. After that it becomes something else altogether.

Another famous individual said the following which also has a certain resonance;

"All this was inspired by the principle -- ."

Adolf Hitler? Wow, you need Einstein and you bring a dirt dumb NAZI quote to the debate. How 911Truth like. Dirt dumb NAZI quotes are the sign of people who apologize for terrorist well past the "certain point". Do you love lies like Hitler? In your case you have the lies of 911Truth which you spew as your bible, your faith, your delusions. "There comes a time when your ignorance on 911 enables your delusions".

Another famous individual? Is he your hero? The dirt dumb NAZI Hitler. No wonder you love Jones' lies and delusions. Like Hitler you and 911Truth are in a time, like MAY of 1945; 911Truth and you think you are winning. But you lost on 911 before you started; just like Hitler. Are you a NAZI like your famous individual?

Your post has all the evidence you ever need; zero.

There comes a time when your silence would have kept everyone from knowing you have dirt dumb delusions on 911. Cheer up there is a chance you can make a DVD and sell your delusions for 15 Bucks; you are proof there is a market for stupid ideas on 911. Blanks at bulk are less than 45 cents.

A great physicist diagnosed your problem understanding 911...

Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. Albert Einstein,

Your famous individual did not like him and reflected the same anti-intellectualism 911Truth does.
Just like 911Truth to bring quotes from the biggest losers in history; bringing Hitler when you should have brought Einstein; is 911Truth's anti-intellectual hero Hitler and Thermite Jones?

Got anything from Hitler to support Heiwa's OP?

 

[bill smith]

Adolf Hitler? Wow, you need Einstein and you bring a dirt dumb NAZI quote to the debate. How 911Truth like. Dirt dumb NAZI quotes are the sign of people who apologize for terrorist well past the "certain point". Do you love lies like Hitler? In your case you have the lies of 911Truth which you spew as your bible, your faith, your delusions. "There comes a time when your ignorance on 911 enables your delusions".

Another famous individual? Is he your hero? The dirt dumb NAZI Hitler. No wonder you love Jones' lies and delusions. Like Hitler you and 911Truth are in a time, like MAY of 1945; 911Truth and you think you are winning. But you lost on 911 before you started; just like Hitler. Are you a NAZI like your famous individual?

Your post has all the evidence you ever need; zero.

There comes a time when your silence would have kept everyone from knowing you have dirt dumb delusions on 911. Cheer up there is a chance you can make a DVD and sell your delusions for 15 Bucks; you are proof there is a market for stupid ideas on 911. Blanks at bulk are less than 45 cents.

A great physicist diagnosed your problem understanding 911...

Your famous individual did not like him and reflected the same anti-intellectualism 911Truth does.
Just like 911Truth to bring quotes from the biggest losers in history; bringing Hitler when you should have brought Einstein; is 911Truth's anti-intellectual hero Hitler and Thermite Jones?

Got anything from Hitler to support Heiwa's OP?

You are a master of the cheap shot Beachnut.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Put garbage into a maths model and you get garbage out. To even suggest that a definitive and accurate model could be made when there are so many unknown variables involved indicates to me that you are evidently mind-programmed to believe what you have been told to believe.

I see. So the Twin Towers fell in 12 seconds, and a mathematical model predicts them falling in 12 seconds, but, because the mathematical model can't be definitive and accurate, that proves that the collapse was faster than it should have been. Well, that makes sense. I'm sure your wild guess is completely accurate.

Dave

 

[beachnut]

You are a master of the cheap shot Beachnut.

You are off topic. So where is your massive pile of evidence hiding? It is not surprising you quote a big loser when you have ideas on 911 to match Hitler’s anti-intellectual pinnacle. You bring Hitler; you should bring Einstein so you will understand Heiwa's junk science is just that.

...
What a weird way of thinking in my opinion! If there was any thermite at all used on 9/11 then it really does not matter how much was used. ....

If any thermite was used at all on 9/11 then the infamous 19 grumpy young men being responsible for all of the mayhem of the terrorist attack of 9/11 "official conspiracy theory" disappears in a puff of smoke faster than 1kg of thermite going of.


... Jones has theorized that pre-positioned explosives, ...

The newest research, according to the journal authors, shows that dust from the collapsing towers contained a "nano-thermite" material that is highly explosive. ... wage war against Afghanistan and Iraq.

Essentially forced to retire, Jones says he is now paying for research out of his own pocket. He likens himself to Galileo and Newton, who stood by their consciences. "I would like to think I could stand up for the truth," he says.

The dust study vindicates his earlier theories, Jones says, but he has mixed feelings about the implications. "As a young student said to me a while back: 'It's exciting from a scientific point of view, because things are now making sense. But I feel sad for my country.’"

Why are you posting off topic? You failed to support your brother in delusion on 911 with an on topic support posting; you have nothing to add after that load of off topic tripe?

You can't figure out how much thermite because you just go along with the Thermite delusion without much thought?


Delusion - Jones is saying his rust is thermite? Reality - Real DNA from the bad guys, they are dead. Plot too complex? 19 terrorists you apologize for (spewing nut case ideas on 911) kill pilots, fly planes into building. Heroes on Flight 93 did in minutes what evade your keen skill at logic for over 7 years; they figured out 911! You wasted 7 years and messed up 911 into a deranged idiotic delusion with thermite. Heroes takes minutes; you have not figured out 911 in 7 years; minutes, 7 years! Now that is something.

Jones, 4 years after 911, outraged by Iraq war, makes up thermite to get back at Bush (does he hates Obama? no surprise save he may thing Bush is still in office). Jones acts like a nut case, makes the termite delusion, and is fired. Jones had no clue in September 2005, and nothing has changed.

Jones was fired because he made up nut case ideas on 911 not supported in fact, or evidence. Now he manufactures evidence with dust that has rust to fool weak-minded in 911Truthland.

Jones is not a Galileo, he is anti-intellectual fool who makes up lies about 911. A terrorist apologist with failed ideas.

His paper is in a pay to publish journal because it is junk. He does not have thermite, he has dust from the WTC.

Jones and the other frauds working on the paper are not out to figure out what the dust was, they were sure it was thermite. It is Jones holy grail.

I like what Dr G said -

First of all, we really don’t have certified nano-thermite standards for comparison. And neither can anyone explain how such an unconventional material was used in the Twin Towers or indeed elsewhere in the WTC Complex. But one thing I have been able to determine is that a 100 micron coating of thermite on the WTC structural members is incapable of heating the steel columns by more than 50 deg C and is therefore insufficient to cause any significant thermal stress to any part of these buildings.

See, you are wrong, you have to know how much thermite is needed to prove thermite did it. Got math and physics?

I found iron rust and Al in my back yard, it was a red chip; smaller than a mm. I see thermite... I see it everywhere... it does not know it is thermite... until I send it to Dr Thermite Jones and his team of delusion experts.

Why do paints and coatings have the same elements as Jones dust?
Why does debris from fires and just junk have the same elements as Jones dust?

When are you taking your evidence to the authorities? Or are you a typical 911Truth follower; full of action!

So what do you have as evidence or support for Heiwa's OP? We need to get on topic and help Heiwa earn his Pulitzer Prize when he takes his massive paper, research, and piles of evidence in to the committee.

 

[bill smith]

You are off topic. So where is your massive pile of evidence hiding? It is not surprising you quote a big loser when you have ideas on 911 to match Hitler’s anti-intellectual pinnacle. You bring Hitler; you should bring Einstein so you will understand Heiwa's junk science is just that.

Why are you posting off topic? You failed to support your brother in delusion on 911 with an on topic support posting; bet you have nothing to add!

You can't figure out how much thermite because you just go along with the Thermite delusion without much thought?


Delusion - Jones is saying his rust is thermite? Reality - Real DNA from the bad guys, they are dead. Plot too complex? 19 terrorists you apologize for (spewing nut case ideas on 911) kill pilots, fly planes into building. Heroes on Flight 93 did in minutes what evade your keen skill at logic for over 7 years; they figured out 911! You wasted 7 years and messed up 911 into a deranged idiotic delusion with thermite. Heroes takes minutes; you have not figured out 911 in 7 years; minutes, 7 years! Now that is something.

Jones, 4 years after 911, outraged by Iraq war, makes up thermite to get back at Bush (does he hates Obama? no surprise save he may thing Bush is still in office). Jones acts like a nut case, makes the termite delusion, and is fired. Jones had no clue in September 2005, and nothing has changed.

Jones was fired because he made up nut case ideas on 911 not supported in fact, or evidence. Now he manufactures evidence with dust that has rust to fool weak-minded in 911Truthland.

Jones is not a Galileo, he is anti-intellectual fool who makes up lies about 911. A terrorist apologist with failed ideas.

His paper is in a pay to publish journal because it is junk. He does not have thermite, he has dust from the WTC.

Jones and the other frauds working on the paper are not out to figure out what the dust was, they were sure it was thermite. It is Jones holy grail.

I like what Dr G said - See, you are wrong, you have to know how much thermite is needed to prove thermite did it. Got math and physics?

I found iron rust and Al in my back yard, it was a red chip; smaller than a mm. I see thermite... I see it everywhere... it does not know it is thermite... until I send it to Dr Thermite Jones and his team of delusion experts.

Why do paints and coatings have the same elements as Jones dust?
Why does debris from fires and just junk have the same elements as Jones dust?

When are you taking your evidence to the authorities? Or are you a typical 911Truth follower; full of action!
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So what do you have as evidence or support for Heiwa's OP? We need to get on topic and help Heiwa earn his Pulitzer Prize when he takes his massive paper, research, and piles of evidence in to the committee.

Heiwa says that you cannot deop a small piece of something onto another larger piece of exactly the same construction and expect the smaller piece to crush the larger piece down to the ground using only gravity. This is exactly the oficial position on how the Towers collapsed.

Heiwa is so certain of his axiom hat he has offered one million dollars to anybody who can make an accurate model of this happening or provide a verifiable example in the history of the world of a comparable event taking place.

There are no takers Beachnut. Only talkers. Does that tell you nothing at all ?

 

[bill smith]

QUOTE=beachnut;4626375] Quote: Dr. Griffin:
First of all, we really don’t have certified nano-thermite standards for comparison. And neither can anyone explain how such an unconventional material was used in the Twin Towers or indeed elsewhere in the WTC Complex. But one thing I have been able to determine is that a 100 micron coating of thermite on the WTC structural members is incapable of heating the steel columns by more than 50 deg C and is therefore insufficient to cause any significant thermal stress to any part of these buildings. [/QUOTE]

I wonder if Griffin ever considerd my theory of filling the columns with nano-thermite ? That would royally take care of the 100-micron problem wouldn't it ?

 

[beachnut]

Heiwa says that you cannot deop a small piece of something onto another larger piece of exactly the same construction and expect the smaller piece to crush the larger piece down to the ground using only gravity. This is exactly the oficial position on how the Towers collapsed.

Heiwa is so certain of his axiom hat he has offered one million dollars to anybody who can make an accurate model of this happening or provide a verifiable example in the history of the world of a comparable event taking place.

There are no takers Beachnut. Only talkers. Does that tell you nothing at all ?

Off topic again! You are the talker, I already offered 911 full scale models of the WTC as proof. Heiwa lost over 7 years ago and your complete lack of knowledge in physics and engineer is keeping you from understanding Heiwa is a fraud like Jones and all of 911Truth. And you can't present any evidence of any kind to prove me wrong, or support your failed partners in 911Truth delusions.

Wrong thread.

But it is closer than your Hitler quote.

I offer the WTC tower fell due to gravity after impacts and fires. I have support from the chief structural engineer of the WTC tower. So I win the money, but you see Heiwa does not have the money, and you don't have the knowledge to see Heiwa's ideas are pure delusions. Because you don't' have knowledge on any related topic to do with 911. No your quote from a dirt dumb NAZI is not related to 911.

So you can't help Heiwa prove his failed ideas. And I won the money showing two examples on 911 to win the money. Full scale model. I have proof of no explosives or thermite.

You have zero evidence, but you can talk delusions.

here is the on topic thread; do you have another Hitler quote to go with some more 911 delusions you have?
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=138715

Quote: Dr. Griffin

Funny! Wrong Dr G!

 

[Dave Rogers]

I can't speak for others but to me it is sooo obvious that most of you guys know what happened on 9/11 the same as we do. But for your own reasons you defend the perps.

The disintegration of the psyche is such a fascinating thing to watch.

Dave

 

[Dave Rogers]

There are no takers Beachnut. Only talkers. Does that tell you nothing at all ?

It should tell you that nobody believes the million dollars exists.

Dave