Who started both World Wars?

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metamars said:
Nice find, but how do you know that this was the only meeting that Hitler attended that day? Your reference says that the meeting lasted only 2 hours, then lunch, with all guests leaving by about 4 pm. Google maps gives the shortest driving route between Berlin and Cologne as 579 km, 5 hr:21m. That's 359 miles; eyeballing it, about 66 mph.

Don't know about the roads and speed limits back then, but if an airplane was available, I suppose the trip back might have only taken about 1 1/2 hours. Still lots of time for a meeting.... even if not during banker's hours. :D
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You're strateching a little there.

The first autobahn wasn't opened until 1935...
 
metamars said:
Nice find, but how do you know that this was the only meeting that Hitler attended that day? Your reference says that the meeting lasted only 2 hours, then lunch, with all guests leaving by about 4 pm. Google maps gives the shortest driving route between Berlin and Cologne as 579 km, 5 hr:21m. That's 359 miles; eyeballing it, about 66 mph.

Don't know about the roads and speed limits back then, but if an airplane was available, I suppose the trip back might have only taken about 1 1/2 hours. Still lots of time for a meeting.... even if not during banker's hours. :D
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Jolly good. Best make it a quick meeting then, Hitler gave a campaign speech in Detmold in the evening of the 4th. . .
 
garethdjb said:
Jolly good. Best make it a quick meeting then, Hitler gave a campaign speech in Detmold in the evening of the 4th. . .
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That's what they want you to think!

Actually, you're right, according to this, p. 103..

While it seems doubtful, a plane would have made an early morning meeting possible. According to the timeline, Hitler was in Munich on Jan 3. Eyeballing it, it's about as far from Munich to Berlin as from Berlin to Cologne. Flying to Berlin the night before, or very early Jan 4, drinking lots of coffee, etc.

Do you know if there are timelines that break down travel details?

Perhaps some details can be found in a book by Hitler's pilot, here, p 33. Skimming, I see that his initial plane only went about 122 mph, but a faster Junkers did about 159 mph, cruising.
 
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metamars said:
That's what they want you to think!

Actually, you're right, according to this, p. 103..

While it seems doubtful, a plane would have made an early morning meeting possible. According to the timeline, Hitler was in Munich on Jan 3. Eyeballing it, it's about as far from Munich to Berlin as from Berlin to Cologne. Flying to Berlin the night before, or very early Jan 4, drinking lots of coffee, etc.

Do you know if there are timelines that break down travel details?

Perhaps some details can be found in a book by Hitler's pilot, here, p 33. Skimming, I see that his initial plane only went about 122 mph, but a faster Junkers did about 159 mph, cruising.
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Now all you have to do is get Hitler out of his early morning/middle of the night meeting at Schroeder's bank in Berlin to Schroeder's house in Cologne, 250 miles away, in time for the meeting to start at 11:30 am.

Can we move on from 'seems doubtful' to 'never happened?'
 
Although I am working on my blog, this post, just to let you know I have not forgotten you.

05-09-1940 - Birger Ekeberg, president of the Swedish High Court, was asked by Ludwig Weissauer to enquire with Mallet whether he was interested in talks. Weissauer was an agent of the Reich Security Head Office (RSHA) and traveled to both Finland and Sweden in an atempt to advance discussions concerning an armistice. More specifically he utilized intermediaries to contact british officials in Stockholm in September 1940 and continued communications through 1942. [Petropoulos, p205. In the archive of the British Foreign Office inthe spring of 2004, a document was discovered with register-nr. ]FO 371/24408[/B, that documents the secret Hitler-Weissauer peace mission. Hitlers personal lawyer Dr. Ludwig Weissauer had handed over to the British ambassador Victor Mallet in Stockholm a personal message from Hitler. Accordng to that offer, Hitler was prepared to clear all occupied territory and to recognize the souvereignty of all European states. Merely the Corridor to the town of Danzig should remain part of the German Reich. Hitler even declared to be ready to pay compensation to the occupied neutral states (Norway, Holland, Belgium). In Germany only 4 people were aware of this offer by Hitler, among them Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy.

The Germans did not want war, the British (or Churchill rather) however wanted a war of destruction at all cost. Even at the cost of their glorious empire.
 
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Accidently I found this book 5 minutes ago:

Himmler's secret war: the covert peace negotiations of Heinrich Himmler by Martin Allen

He is the author of "The Hitler/Hess Deception: British Intelligence's Best-Kept Secret of the Second World War"

On the night of May 10, 1941, a Messerschmitt-110 crash-landed on a remote Scottish hillside. Its pilot was Rudolf Hess, the Deputy-Führer of the German Reich. Hess’ remarkable solo flight was immediately dismissed in both Britain and Germany as the act of a deranged mind. He was disowned by Hitler, and Churchill’s government insisted that his unexpected arrival on British soil was of no lasting consequence. Nevertheless, the mysterious circumstances of the flight, and Hess’ silence during fifty years of imprisonment, have led to endless speculation as to his true motives. Until now, no one has found the crucial pieces of evidence that prove that a small group of men within the British government and intelligence services were, in fact, conducting a brilliantly clever plot that would not only lead to Hess’ flight, but would have a decisive impact on the course of the war and the forces that shaped postwar Britain.
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Hitler was lured into fake negotiations by Churchill, who was afraid of the peace faction within Britain. Hitler had made offers to Britain that Britain could not have refused [***]. But Churchill never was acting in the British interest, he was doing the dirty work for the 'World Jews' [*] as Chamberlain put it and acted as a well paid agent for the NWO in status nascendi. The British empire was destroyed, Europe was destroyed, the winners were the Jews, who had the US already in a firm grip. In their aspiration for world hegemony, the European world was in their way. So it had to be destroyed. And in Nuremberg the destruction was extended onto the moral plane with the invention of the holo tale. Churchill was their tool and the British war garantee over the German town of Danzig, of which Chamberlain had confided that he had been pushed into it by these 'World Jews', was the opportunity.


[**] - http://www.rense.com/general45/zzo.htm
The American Secretary of State, James Forrestal, who later died in mysterious circumstances, wrote in his Forrestal Diaries (Cassel and Co., London 1952):

'Have played golf with Joe Kennedy [US Ambassador in Britain, father of President John Kennedy]. According to him, Chamberlain declared that Zionism and world Jewry have obliged England to enter the war.'
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[***] 02-09-1942 - Hitler: "When once the terms we offered to Great Britain are made public there will be an uproar throughout the Kingdom." [Hitler, Table Talk, p684]

Boy-oh-boy, what a nice drama I see looming at the horizon. The entire picture reversed 180 degrees, in WW2 the villains won. What a noble cause we have in bringing the truth in the open by using the internet as a tool. And think of the consequences of this new insight. As I said earlier, in this century you do not want to be an Anglo or a Jew.

Read again the letter written by Hermann Goering to Churchill shortly before he committed suicide.
I shall know how to approach my end in the absolute conviction as a German National Socialist and considering everything else, to have been a better European than you.
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How true.
 
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Wroclaw said:
nobody cares!
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Haha, you do, since you react. And it is a weak reply by somebody who has participated in this 113 page thread.

My 9/11 blog btw had until now ca. 100,000 readers in 2 years time (thank mainly to links posted on whatreallyhappened.com, iamthewitness.com, henrymakow.com and google.com), without any promotion effort, unlike my WW1/WW2 blog that is going to be posted on all political forums on the planet. Thanks to your efforts, because that blog hardly would have been written without this low level anger as an effective motivational fuel. :D

There is nobody who really cares about you, except me, my esteemed useful ****. You are fighting a losing battle.
 
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Victor Mallet had tried to get approval in London for his initiative. Robert Vansittart’s reaction came swift: "I hope you will tell mr Mallet that under no circumstance he can see Dr. Weissauer. This is about the future of civilization. It is about out survival or theirs and either the German Reich goes under or we, and not just go under, but completely destroyed."

Vansittart to Halifax on September 6, 1940.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
You don't want to deny the existence of document FO 371/24408 in the archive of the British Foreign Office discovered in 2004, now do you?
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A quick search of your reference gives me this:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=76&t=137567&start=30

Which differs from what you reported here: I do not seem to see any mention of Dantzig or compensation for occupying the neutral countries. There is note of "The continental supremacy of Germany will not be called in question." and a strict economic division of the worlds in two spheres. Czechslovakia would stay under German control. Russia not included in settlement.

Please explain differences and supply your sources for the content of "FO 371/24408".

The Germans did not want war
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That's why prior to this they had annexed or invaded 7 or so countries?
Sounds like Mars Attacks!
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Haha, you do, since you react. And it is a weak reply by somebody who has participated in this 113 page thread.

My 9/11 blog btw had until now ca. 100,000 readers in 2 years time (thank mainly to links posted on whatreallyhappened.com, iamthewitness.com, henrymakow.com and google.com), without any promotion effort, unlike my WW1/WW2 blog that is going to be posted on all political forums on the planet. Thanks to your efforts, because that blog hardly would have been written without this low level anger as an effective motivational fuel. :D

There is nobody who really cares about you, except me, my esteemed useful ****. You are fighting a losing battle.
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In your dreams. You are insignificant. Nobody reads your blog.
 
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