Who started both World Wars?

[9/11-investigator]

Ah, so Yamamoto was a part of the Jewish conspiracy was he? Then clearly his death at the hands of the USAAC was just to complete the coverup. It all makes perfect sense now.

I would say he fell in the trap Roosevelt had set up for him. If that is what you mean then we are in agreement.

You do realize the definition of "white" in the 1940 census (and several following) included Jews, Hispanics, Slavs, and South/East Europeans, right? That almost all the millions of "white" immigrants to the U.S. in the 20th Century were Slavs and other South and Eastern Europeans.

America is far more than 'all the millions of immigrants in the 20th century'. Remember that in 1945 the Germans constituted the largest minority in America (30%?).

Ah, so we can finally do a calculation of the odds. Assuming the Finns were equal to Anglos (Nordic types, you know), and the other minor German allies were equal to Italians), the Axis in Europe has 81 + 45/5 + 3.5/2 + (13+6.7+9.3)/5 = 98 million German equivalents, disregarding captive populations. In Asia, as we have direct from Hitler that the Japanese were equal to Germans, and assuming other Asians were equivalent to Italians, that gives 83 million German equivalents in the Japanese Empire and in Thailand, yet again disregarding captive populations. That gives an Axis total of 181 million German equivalents in the Axis.

For the U.S, make the generous assumption that the 90% of the population that was "white" can be considered "Anglo," hoping that the albeit sadly racially mixed German-Americans can drag up all those Mexicans, Jews, and South/East Europeans. That gives 59 million German equivalents in the USA. The British Commonwealth adds ~35 million more German equivalents, with South Africa, of course, taking a big hit. The Soviet Union, assuming it's turkic and assorted native populations are also at the "Slav level" adds another 37 million German equivalents.

So all up, the Axis total of 181 million German equivalents, and the Allies, 131 million. Strange, the Axis clearly had greater racial fighting power. And of course, the ratio only gets worse once we include captive populations, because almost all that on the Allied side would be classified on your "black level," while so much of the Axis captive populationi would be at least at the "Anglo" level, possibly even the equal of the Germans...surely the Dutch would fit the latter?

I already told you that I do not take these numbers serious myself.
Nevertheless: Japanese are not equivalent to Germans. These gnomes managed only to put a fraction of the 300,000 or so American casualties 'out of business'. Corsair or Gawd probably know the exact figure. 50,000? The Germans eliminated 50 * 300,000 = 15M Russians. Hence I put Japanese behind Slavs (in this silly calculation exercise).

So I would say 100M Axis.

America: 135M --> 50M Germans, 50MAnglos/2 = 25M + 10M rest German units = 85M German units, not your 59M.

Not sure what you want to say with these 37M Turkic/Slav fellas, who they are and why they are on the German side.

Slavs: 250M/5 = 50M

Accepting for a moment your Commonwealth figure of 35M

Total Alllies: 85M + 50M + 35M = 160M 'German units' on allied side.

160 against 100.

Makes sense.

How could the Axis have lost with so much more fighting power? Must have been their terrible leadership. If only they had...

...Jews as their leaders instead. After all, who cares about raw fighting ability in the modern age. War, like business, depends on the mind, and strategy trumps brute force anyday.

I am not accepting Jewish 'genius' in the military realm, far from it.
I am accepting Jewish superiority in scheming/lobbying/strategizing/deceiving/lying:
- destruction of Germany via this Balfour deal, pushing Germany in the Versailles abyss
- commit a coup d'etat in Russia (by American Jews), call it a Russian revolution, kill the Tsar as well as the complete aristocratic class and take it's place
- kill all the Turkish Armenians via this Jewish lead 'Young Turks' movement and add Turkey as a nice-to-have to the set of ZOG captured nations and unsurprisingly become big friends with the US and later with Israel (as the only 'muslim state')
- setting up Focus lobby group for British war entry to fight for Jewish interest
- pushing Poland into a stubborn stance of not giving in to reasonable German demands, pretending the Anglos will protect Poland but in reality gladly hand it over to the Soviets
- succesful strategy of pushing Japan into war against the US via oil embargo, so they can go after Germany via 'the backdoor'
- develop the nuke (for 100% done by Jewish physicists) and throw it on Japanese cities without any necessity (as Eisenhower later admitted) just to test how many people you can kill with it. Experiment worth some 2000 Hollywood-Mengele experiments (the classic Mengel picture probably being a lie anyway)
- come up with the holo tale in Nuremberg, for 70% run by Jews.

That's the Jews for you.
Wonderful people and no brute force whatsoever.

 

[Shangrila]

I would say he fell in the trap Roosevelt had set up for him. If that is what you mean then we are in agreement.

Not much of a trap is it, if the only person to fall for it didn't actually have to authority to make his government act, and only managed to push it through with an unprecedented violation of the chain of command.

America is far more than 'all the millions of immigrants in the 20th century'. Remember that in 1945 the Germans constituted the largest minority in America (30%?).

Oh please, there were 15 million immigrants from Southern and Eastern Europe and Jews just in the first 2 decades of the 20th Century. And the "German" ethnicity in the U.S. is certainly not close to pure blood.

Nevertheless: Japanese are not equivalent to Germans. These gnomes managed only to put a fraction of the 300,000 or so American casualties 'out of business'.

Ah, but Hitler himself said they were, with no qualifiers. Who are you to dispute the word of the Führer?

Clearly, all you've proven is that Americans are supermen, far outstripping the pitiful abilities of the pureblooded Aryans.

America: 135M --> 50M Germans, 50MAnglos/2 = 25M + 10M rest German units = 85M German units, not your 59M.

Ah, but there weren't 50 million Germans. The commonly given 30% figure is for proportion of non-hispanic whites. And even those are mostly of mixed blood. And of the remaining "Anglos," only a small proportion are literally Anglos. The rest are Italians, Slavs, assorted non-Slavic Balkan peoples, Jews, etc. So yeah, my 59 million is better.

Not sure what you want to say with these 37M Turkic/Slav fellas, who they are and why they are on the German side.

And it seems you did not know the population of the Soviet Union was predominantly Slavic, but also included sizeable numbers of Turkic speakers in Russian Central Asia, as well as assorted other native peoples. I was being generous in counting them as Slavs, rather than as "blacks."

Slavs: 250M/5 = 50M

So tell me, why do you feel it necessary to make up an extra 70 million people for the Soviet Union?

160 against 100.

Makes sense.

Brushing away that that ratio was done by completely making up population figures and ignoring the direct word of Hitler, where do you factor in the costs of Jewish leadership? If something uniquely Jewish prevents them from employing their strategic genius in any way military, well, their inept guidance would at least half the Allied racial fighting ability. Then there's the fact that commonly accept military wisdom is that the defense has a 3:1 advantage over the offense, worse when the defense has the advantage of a body of water as a barrier. Surely, while the Germans and their Japanese equals could develop new tactics to overcome that, the Jews ruling the west certainly cannot. So, the truth becomes clear, the Germans in fact won WWII. There's simply no way the numbers could support the Allies fighting their way in the hearts of Axis power and crushing them.

 

[twinstead]

All I can say 9/11 is that there's a reason why you are in the abject minority with your views about the first 2 world wars, and it sure ain't because of some vast Jewish conspiracy.

 

[9/11-investigator]

All I can say 9/11 is that there's a reason why you are in the abject minority with your views about the first 2 world wars, and it sure ain't because of some vast Jewish conspiracy.

Of course there is a reason?

Tell me, how many people knew in 1905 that E=mc2?

Well?

Exactly, an abject minority!

 

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Of course there is a reason?

Tell me, how many people knew in 1905 that E=mc2?

Well?

Exactly, an abject minority!

And that minority was Jewish.

 

[twinstead]

Of course there is a reason?

Tell me, how many people knew in 1905 that E=mc2?

Well?

Exactly, an abject minority!

What kind of silly analogy is this?

Either every other respected historian is either incompetent or part of the conspiracy, or your version of history is a biased pile of steaming feces.

There is no middle ground.

 

[9/11-investigator]

What kind of silly analogy is this?

Either every other respected historian is either incompetent or part of the conspiracy, or your version of history is a biased pile of steaming feces.

There is no middle ground.

I told you before that 'respected historians' have jobs at universities and know what is expected from them.

The others are in jail.

It is cowardice versus courage.

Edited by arthwollipot: 

Edited for civility.

 

[ElMondoHummus]

Tell me, how many people knew in 1905 that E=mc2?

Well?

Exactly, an abject minority!

And that minority was Jewish.

 

[9/11-investigator]

And that [abject] minority was Jewish.

ElMondoHummus & Gawd think that when I write e=mc2 / 1905, that I do not know which 'abject minority' I am talking about. They obviously have not followed this thread and missed the 'abject' qualifier.

This was Einstein showing the way towards releasing enormous amounts of energy from a tiny amount of matter, than can be used to efficiently destroy enormous amounts of people in a matter of seconds.

The entire Manhattan project [*] was carried out by Jews. I cannot think of a more sadistical Jewish invention than the nuclear bomb, as it is impossible to put more misery into one m3.

Einstein, Michelson, Bohr, Oppenheimer, Feynman, Meitner, Fermi, Szilard and later Teller.

In 1945 the Americans used the bomb in a gigantic sadistic medical experiment to see how many people could be killed with it. Eisenhower and many others admitted later that this test was completely unnecessary to win the war as the war was already won. The Americans like to maintain the lie that the bomb somehow saved lives.

Americans like to accuse the Germans that they wanted to conquer the world. That is a lie. It were the Soviets and their American buddies who wanted that.

Americans keep accusing Mengele of the most horrible experiments, probably largely exagerated. But the real Ueber-Mengele's are the Americans themselves with their superfluous nuclear medical tests in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.


[*] was it called Manhattan project because of the Jewish character of this project? I would have been careful with chosing such a name. It could literally backfire. The Gods like to play little games with humans.

 

[Corsair 115]

In 1945 the Americans used the bomb in a gigantic sadistic medical experiment to see how many people could be killed with it. Eisenhower and many others admitted later that this test was completely unnecessary to win the war as the war was already won.

Yes, so unnecessary, because even after having two cities destroyed by atomic bombs, the Russians declaring war on them and attacking them in Manchuria, and the U.S. continuing with its conventional bombing, the Japanese government was still deadlocked on the issue of surrender. It took the Emperor's highly unusual step of personally intervening in a government decision to get the country to surrender. And even then there was an attempted coup to prevent surrender.

As I've said before, of course Japan had long since lost the war. That was plainly obvious after Iwo Jima and Okinawa were taken, and probably obvious as far back as mid-1944 when Japanese air power was decimated in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. And yet the Japanese government continued to fight on, killing many of its own civilians in the process.

Where is your anger and resentment for the Japanese leadership which, for months and months and months, stupidly and uselessly sacrificed its own people fighting a war that had clearly been lost? The Japanese have no one to blame but themselves for the fate that befell them. They could have surrendered months earlier and saved everyone, including themselves, a lot ot trouble and pain.

 

[dafydd]

Yes, so unnecessary, because even after having two cities destroyed by atomic bombs, the Russians declaring war on them and attacking them in Manchuria, and the U.S. continuing with its conventional bombing, the Japanese government was still deadlocked on the issue of surrender. It took the Emperor's highly unusual step of personally intervening in a government decision to get the country to surrender. And even then there was an attempted coup to prevent surrender.

As I've said before, of course Japan had long since lost the war. That was plainly obvious after Iwo Jima and Okinawa were taken, and probably obvious as far back as mid-1944 when Japanese air power was decimated in the Battle of the Philippine Sea. And yet the Japanese government continued to fight on, killing many of its own civilians in the process.

Where is your anger and resentment for the Japanese leadership which, for months and months and months, stupidly and uselessly sacrificed its own people fighting a war that had clearly been lost? The Japanese have no one to blame but themselves for the fate that befell them. They could have surrendered months earlier and saved everyone, including themselves, a lot ot trouble and pain.

I suppose if Hitler had the bomb first he would have used it for peaceful purposes.Luckily all the intelligent scientists with their ''Jewish Physics'' had all fled to the States,leaving only slack jawed Nazis behind.As I said before,we are lucky that old Adolf was a raving headbanger.

 

[Gaspode]

Some posts moved to AAH.

As per rule 12, address the argument, not the arguer.

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[MG1962]

We have all seen the pictures by Eisenstein of the storming of the Winter Palace. It never happened.

I have never seen someone so capable of taking an apple and orange and somehow making them into strawberries

The storming of the palace did happen

What you are talking about is the Odessa Steps masacre that Eisenstein shot for the film Battleship Potemkin made in 1925 about the abortive 1905 revolution

 

[Uzzy]

*snip*

Conclusion unsupported by argument, of which there is very little other then a simple restatement of facts (Trotsky a key player in the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets used propaganda to romanticise the events of the revolution). Once again, no evidence to back up your claims. Trotsky was born Jewish, but renounced all religion in later life.

Perhaps you may want to consider why many people of Jewish descent were in sectors such as banking, the arts and radical political parties?

 

[MG1962]

Conclusion unsupported by argument, of which there is very little other then a simple restatement of facts (Trotsky a key player in the Bolshevik revolution, the Soviets used propaganda to romanticise the events of the revolution). Once again, no evidence to back up your claims. Trotsky was born Jewish, but renounced all religion in later life.

Perhaps you may want to consider why many people of Jewish descent were in sectors such as banking, the arts and radical political parties?

The problem that creates for me though.....if the revolution was a Jewish conspiracy....why did a Catholic run the country for 30 odd years

 

[9/11-investigator]

The problem that creates for me though.....if the revolution was a Jewish conspiracy....why did a Catholic run the country for 30 odd years

Reread your own question and you will see that there is no contradiction.

The 'revolution' (coup rather) happened in 1917, with Trotzky in the center and an ideology invented by a son of a rabbi.

With 'Catholic', you probably mean Stalin, in reality he likely had a Orthodox background, was 4 years on an Orthodox seminary bad was kicked off because of revolutionary idea's.

As the Dutch ambassador noted, as did the American military spy Schuyler, as did later even Churchill in the Sunday Herald, the revolution was initiated by Jews. They killed the czar. They were the brains behind the operation. They commanded the Red Army during the civil war.

The greatest Jewish mass murderer in the 20th century was Ghenrik Yagoda.

But it was indeed Stalin who gradually diminished the rol of the Jews and won the big battle between him and Trotzky. The later wanted world revolution (how Jewish!), Stalin was more prudent and satisfied with communism in one country (for the moment). During the thirties, after the greatest massacers were committed, the leading role of the Jews was finished. On the eve of Stalin's death he had planned to 'evacuate' the Jews from Moscow. The suspiscion is that his Jewish doctor helped Stalin quit smoking for good.

 

[uke2se]

Not only does 9/11 think Hitler was a swell guy, he also kind of fancies Stalin. Somehow I'm not surprised.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Not only does 9/11 think Hitler was a swell guy, he also kind of fancies Stalin. Somehow I'm not surprised.

Liar. Stalin was the biggest monster of them all. Never said anything else.

 

[uke2se]

Liar. Stalin was the biggest monster of them all. Never said anything else.

Even worse than the joooooos?

Well, if he was so bad, your heroes probably shouldn't have allied with him then.

 

[MG1962]

So in summing up we have a Jewish revolution designed by Jews to kill Jews...makes sense to me