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and no other Article specifies military assistance in any other situation, the Agreement clearly does not bind Germany to assisting Japan in the event of Japan attacking another Power as specified. In the absence of any known international agreement that did specify any such terms, we must conclude that no such agreement existed. Which, of course, single-handedly blows the Pearl Harbor conspiracy theory out of the water.

Dave

Which is why Japan was under no obligation at all to declare war on Russia earlier in the year, and why Germany did not complain and point to the Pact in that regard.

Pearl Harbor was designed to get America into war with an ally of Germany, Japan. Roosevelt was not interested in Japan but in Germany.

Why when you keep telling us that the objective was to get into the war with Germany?

Your argument has been that they got Japan to attack Pearl so they could get into a war in Europe, except there was nothing in the pact you claimed was the driving force behind this that would mean that was the result. So, your argument has fallen apart.

Though I don't expect you to back away from your untenable position.
 
Though I don't expect you to back away from your untenable position.

Yeppers. It may at first glance seem that arguing an untenable position forever is a skill, but then I realized that my 8 year old has the same skill when debating if Santa Clause exists.
 
So it's perfectly logical that the entire evil plan of the Jews depended on a single Japanese officer risking his career by violating the chain of command, and blatantly misusing his personal stature on the eve of war.

Yep. As we have seen here, Roosevelt confided to Churchill, that for him it was a matter of trial and error. Perhaps Roosevelt was lucky enough that the Germans would attack on the Atlantic or otherwise a war could start with Japan. After the Newfoundland meeting that was what Roosevelt decided to focus on:

On August 9-12, 1941, Roosevelt met with Churchill at Argentia, off the coast of Newfoundland, and arranged the details of entering the second World War through the backdoor of a war with Japan.

Then Shangrila says:

Oh please, the British are as mixed as they come. The English are a bastard mishmash of celtic, Roman (you know, those people from south of the Alps you can't take seriously), anglo-saxon, Danish, Norman, and French, and the Celtic nations making up the rest of the UK are no better.

I am certainly not going to argue with you about the racial quality of the Brit, the shortest people in Europe, always leaving soccer tournaments at the earliest possible moment, ending up last during Eurovision song festival, never won a tour de france or even Wimbledon (I think). If you want to call them 'second hand Germans', be my guest. In fact Buchanan identified Germanophobia as a prime motivator in historic British antagonism towards Germany, an antagonism which is not reciprocal. And this antagonism was important in bringing WW1 about. British have an inferiority complex towards Germany from Amsterdam to Tokyo. British are basically Islanders and hostile towards Europe. I worked in many international projects, including Americans and British. Invariably, when you are alone with a Brit, after 5 minutes he will try to establish a level of confidentiallity by starting to gossip about Germans and their alleged Teutonic barbarism. Americans btw never do that.

And then the U.S. has all those blacks and Jews, plus millions of immigrants from Southern Europe, the Balkans, and Eastern Europe that came over in the late 19th Century.

Blacks played no prominent role in America until the sixties, when America was essentially a white society (90%) and Detroit still was called the Paris of the Americas (now Brazzaville of the Americas would be more appropiate). I am sorry but I read somewhere that for war planning both the German and American high commands equated 1 Germans = 2 Americans. So if you add enough Americans, Russians, British you will finally beat Germany.

So, give us your estimates. How many Slavs is an Aryan worth? How many Jews, Blacks, Italians, etc. Since the proper population numbers are all available, we can calculate just what odds the Germans were facing.

The present day German is not a shadow of it's former self. The best and their genes died on the many battle fields of WW2. Just to tease you I give you from the hip fully random figures comparing military strength/1940:

Military:
1 German
2 Anglos
5 Slaves/Italians
10 Jews
100 Blacks

Scheming/strategizing/lobbying:
1 Jew
2 Germans
3 Anglos
5 Slavs/Italians
- Blacks

Et voila, the explanation for the outcome of WW1 and WW2.

Do not tie my to these numbers, I am more confident about the ranking.
 
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I am certainly not going to argue with you about the racial quality of the Brit, the shortest people in Europe, always leaving soccer tournaments at the earliest possible moment, ending up last during Eurovision song festival, never won a tour de france or even Wimbledon (I think).

OK, we can add sports history to your ever-growing zone of ignorance.

Dave
 
Which is why Japan was under no obligation at all to declare war on Russia earlier in the year, and why Germany did not complain and point to the Pact in that regard.



Why when you keep telling us that the objective was to get into the war with Germany?

Your argument has been that they got Japan to attack Pearl so they could get into a war in Europe, except there was nothing in the pact you claimed was the driving force behind this that would mean that was the result. So, your argument has fallen apart.

Though I don't expect you to back away from your untenable position.

Let's listen then to what Hitler had to say on December 11, 1941, about his motives to declare war on the US:

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v08/v08p389_Hitler.html

I am sure that all of you have regarded it as an act of deliverance that a country [Japan] has finally acted to protest against all this in the very way that this man had actually hoped for, and which should not surprise him now [the attack on Pearl Harbor, December 7, 1941]. After years of negotiating with this deceiver, the Japanese government finally had its fill of being treated in such a humiliating way. All of us, the German people and, I believe, all other decent people around the world as well, regard this with deep appreciation.

We know the power behind Roosevelt. It is the same eternal Jew that believes that his hour has come to impose the same fate on us that we have all seen and experienced with horror in Soviet Russia. We have gotten to know first hand the Jewish paradise on earth. Millions of German soldiers have personally seen the land where this international Jewry has destroyed and annihilated people and property.

Germans are bad in deceiving, lying, pretending, unlike the Jews, or the little Jews called Anglos. Exactly like Nuremberg chieftain Jackson, to his horror had found out the truth from German archives when he was busy building a case against the Germans, namely that the Germans considered themselves surrounded from all sides, Hitler had enough of pretending and understood the writing on the wall. The 'World Jews' (Chamberlain) were after Germany and had Germany surrounded from all sides. The Germans had no option but to fight. The German war declaration was an expression of the realisation of this. The lesser whites (Kozaks, Hillbillies, Brits) were organized by the Jew against the core of the white race and won thanks to larger numbers and the strategizing genius of the Jew.

Now comes the last round in the fight for global rule. The Jews want a global slave state under their rule, dialectically armed with 'racism, bigotry, discrimination, supremacism, holocaust'. It is USA + UK lead by 'Greater Israel' against Russia + China + Islam and more or less Europe (witnessed by the anti-American behavior of Schroeder/Chirac/Putin in 2003) + internet. America is facing financial ruin + unwinding of 9/11 + resulting ethnic conflict + WW2-truth coming out (internet).

Guess on which horse I put my money.
You don't want to be an Anglo or a Jew in this century.
America 2020 = Russia 1991.

The gloves are off. Aryanism declares war on Judea.
 
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Can you show us a document that says that Germany was not obliged to help Japan if Japan (was forced to) attack(ed) first?
The Tripartite Pact
ARTICLE THREE

Germany, Italy and Japan agree to co-operate in their efforts on aforesaid lines. They further undertake to assist one another with all political, economic and military means when one of the three contracting powers is attacked by a power at present not involved in the European war or in the Chinese-Japanese conflict.

Japan was not attacked by the US, the US was attacked by Japan. Therefore the Tripartite Pact was not applicable. Germany was not bound to declare war on the US. Only Hitler's arrogance made that happen.
 
Again the proper time sequence:

The Tripartite Pact dated September 27, 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_Pact

They McCollum memorandum 10 days later, October 7, 1940.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCollum_memo
Just a red herring, 9/11, and you would know this if you read the history and not just the sound bites.
The Americans perfectly knew what they were doing when they imposed their oil embargo.

From the Tripartite Pact:


We all agree that the real intention of America (Roosevelt) was to participate in the war. It might be true that America did not fire the first shot (as Roosevelt was very keen not to do, as witnessed by the Stimson diary) but that he conspired for war anyway. The strangling oil embargo + set of demands to reverse it, could very well be seen as an act of war. But I have to admit that the clever maneuvering of Roosevelt paid off for America until this very day. Until the internet arrived, that is.
"Stop invading your neighbors." Yep, that's aggressive alright. Tell me, do you pour your milk on the side of the glass? I can picture you stubbornly trying to.
 
I wonder if the nazi really thinks that he is going to defeat America/the joooos by lying on the Internet.
 
Even if Hitler was legally bound to go war with the US because Japan was stupid enough to attack it (he wasn't), it is not like Hitler was the type of guy who could be counted on to honor his agreements.

And that's the real facepalmistry of the whole "backdoor to war" theory regarding Pearl Harbor.

According to this theory the following happened.

1. US baits Japan into attacking us.

2. Japan attacks.

3. US declares war on Japan. (We could have just as easily said "the Axis Powers" instead of just Germany. Everybody knew the whole barrel was rotten.)

4. US waits for Hitler to keep his word on a promise he never made (re the specific terms of the Tripartite Pact.)

5. Hitler declares war on the US (probably the single biggest mistake in the history of the world.)

In the realm of bizarre logic this is the gold standard.
 
I wonder if the nazi really thinks that he is going to defeat America/the joooos by lying on the Internet.

I knew neo-Nutters before the Internet. The last time I was arrested in Indiana was because of a "discussion" with a few of them. At that time they were just some freaks working out of their mom's basement, putting stickers up and trying to intimidate people by stomping around like school-yard bullies. The Internet has allowed them to expand their recruiting efforts without the hazards of having to deal with people like me.
 
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So, I take it from that failure to address my points you admit that your whole line of argument regarding the US getting the Japanese to attack in order to get Germany to declare war via the Tripartite Pact is wrong.

Good of you to admit it. We're making progress!
 
I knew neo-Nutters before the Internet. The last time I was arrested in Indiana was because of a "discussion" with a few of them. At that time they were just some freaks working out of their mom's basement, putting stickers up and trying to intimidate people by stomping around like school-yard bullies. The Internet has allowed them to expand their recruiting efforts without the hazards of having to deal with people like me.

Sounds like a frank admission to me that your efforts here are a quantite négligeable.

I would support such a view. :D
 
http://www.mailstar.net/russell.html

Bertrand Russell in a private letter (from the paperback The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell (George Allen & Unwin, London 1975), pp. 354-5):

{p. 354) To Ottoline Morell

Hotel Continental, Stockholm, 25th June 1920

Dearest O

I have got thus far on my return, but boats are very full and it may be a week before I reach England. I left Allen in a nursing home in Reval, no longer in danger, tho' twice he had been given up by the Doctors. Partly owing to his illness, but more because I loathed the Bolsheviks, the time in Russia was infinitely painful to me, in spite of being one of the most interesting things I have ever done. Bolshevism is a close tyrannical bureaucracy, with a spy system more elaborate and terrible than the Tsar's, and an aristocracy as insolent and unfeeling, composed of Americanised Jews. No vestige of liberty remains, in thought or speech or action. I was stifled and oppressed by the weight of the machine as by a cope of lead. Yet I think it is the right government for Russia at this moment. If you ask yourself how Dostoevsky's characters should be governed, you will understand. Yet it is terrible. They are a nation of artists, down to the simplest peasant; the aim of {p. 355} the Bolsheviks is to make them industrial and as Yankee as possible. Imagine yourself governed in every detail by a mixture of Sidney Webb and Rufus Isaacs, and you will have a picture of modern Russia. I went hoping to find the promised land.

All love - I hope I shall see you soon.

Your B.

For those who think that America and the USSR were each other's antipode.
They were not. They were natural alllies. One of them is still at large.

Then take a note of this, a report from American Army Captain Montgomery Schuyler [*] (stationed in Omsk, Siberia) to Lt. Colonel Barrows, his commanding officer located in Vladivostok. They were part of the American Expeditionary Force sent to Siberia in August and September of 1918 in the wake of the Russian Revolution of October 1917.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage1full.jpg
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage2full.jpg
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage3full.jpg

On the second page (scroll to bottom) we read:
"it is probably unwise to say this loudly in the United States but the Bolshevik movement is and has been since its beginning, guided and controlled by Russian Jews of the greasiest type..."

Amen.

The second report, dated 9 June 1919, and sent from Vladivostok, said that of the

"384 commissars there were 2 Negroes, 13 Russians, 15 Chinamen, 22 Armenians and more than 300 Jews. Of the latter number 264 had come to Russia from the United States since the downfall of the Imperial Government."

There never was a Russian revolution. The drama that unfolded in Russia was organized by American Jews. It was a Jewish coup d'etat.

Other witnesses at the time:

David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution."14

The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things."15

Acertain Churchill, February 8, 1920, issue of the London Illustrated Sunday Herald: "There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews."
[*] - fine Dutch name
 
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http://www.mailstar.net/russell.html

Bertrand Russell in a private letter (from the paperback The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell (George Allen & Unwin, London 1975), pp. 354-5):



For those who think that America and the USSR were each other's antipode.
They were not. They were natural alllies. One of them is still at large.

Then take a note of this, a report from American Army Captain Montgomery Schuyler [*] (stationed in Omsk, Siberia) to Lt. Colonel Barrows, his commanding officer located in Vladivostok. They were part of the American Expeditionary Force sent to Siberia in August and September of 1918 in the wake of the Russian Revolution of October 1917.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage1full.jpg
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage2full.jpg
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/schuylerletterpage3full.jpg

On the second page (scroll to bottom) we read:


Amen.

The second report, dated 9 June 1919, and sent from Vladivostok, said that of the



There never was a Russian revolution. The drama that unfolded in Russia was organized by American Jews. It was a Jewish coup d'etat.

Other witnesses at the time:






[*] - fine Dutch name

Jesus Christ on a Bicycle! The stupid, it burns.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
 
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Content free smear.
uke2se hates to see this kind of information.
uke2se opines that he is Swedish, I have my severe doubts.
A kosher Swede, perhaps.

What is there to say? What you posted was so stupid there's almost no response to it. Your continued insistence that I must be Jewish simply further demonstrates your hatred and inability for rational thinking.

Again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism
 
Yep. As we have seen here, Roosevelt confided to Churchill, that for him it was a matter of trial and error. Perhaps Roosevelt was lucky enough that the Germans would attack on the Atlantic or otherwise a war could start with Japan. After the Newfoundland meeting that was what Roosevelt decided to focus on:

Ah, so Yamamoto was a part of the Jewish conspiracy was he? Then clearly his death at the hands of the USAAC was just to complete the coverup. It all makes perfect sense now.

Blacks played no prominent role in America until the sixties, when America was essentially a white society (90%) and Detroit still was called the Paris of the Americas (now Brazzaville of the Americas would be more appropiate). I am sorry but I read somewhere that for war planning both the German and American high commands equated 1 Germans = 2 Americans. So if you add enough Americans, Russians, British you will finally beat Germany.

You do realize the definition of "white" in the 1940 census (and several following) included Jews, Hispanics, Slavs, and South/East Europeans, right? That almost all the millions of "white" immigrants to the U.S. in the 20th Century were Slavs and other South and Eastern Europeans.

The present day German is not a shadow of it's former self. The best and their genes died on the many battle fields of WW2. Just to tease you I give you from the hip fully random figures comparing military strength/1940:

Military:
1 German
2 Anglos
5 Slaves/Italians
10 Jews
100 Blacks

Ah, so we can finally do a calculation of the odds. Assuming the Finns were equal to Anglos (Nordic types, you know), and the other minor German allies were equal to Italians), the Axis in Europe has 81 + 45/5 + 3.5/2 + (13+6.7+9.3)/5 = 98 million German equivalents, disregarding captive populations. In Asia, as we have direct from Hitler that the Japanese were equal to Germans, and assuming other Asians were equivalent to Italians, that gives 83 million German equivalents in the Japanese Empire and in Thailand, yet again disregarding captive populations. That gives an Axis total of 181 million German equivalents in the Axis.

For the U.S, make the generous assumption that the 90% of the population that was "white" can be considered "Anglo," hoping that the albeit sadly racially mixed German-Americans can drag up all those Mexicans, Jews, and South/East Europeans. That gives 59 million German equivalents in the USA. The British Commonwealth adds ~35 million more German equivalents, with South Africa, of course, taking a big hit. The Soviet Union, assuming it's turkic and assorted native populations are also at the "Slav level" adds another 37 million German equivalents.

So all up, the Axis total of 181 million German equivalents, and the Allies, 131 million. Strange, the Axis clearly had greater racial fighting power. And of course, the ratio only gets worse once we include captive populations, because almost all that on the Allied side would be classified on your "black level," while so much of the Axis captive populationi would be at least at the "Anglo" level, possibly even the equal of the Germans...surely the Dutch would fit the latter?

How could the Axis have lost with so much more fighting power? Must have been their terrible leadership. If only they had...

Scheming/strategizing/lobbying:
1 Jew
2 Germans
3 Anglos
5 Slavs/Italians
- Blacks

...Jews as their leaders instead. After all, who cares about raw fighting ability in the modern age. War, like business, depends on the mind, and strategy trumps brute force anyday.
 
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Now that we are at the sensitive subject of Jewish communism, I decided to have a look at the list of American ambassadors to Moscow:

http://moscow.usembassy.gov/ministers-and-ambassadors.html#1933-1949

Between 1916-1918 there was David R. Francis.

Then for 15 years there was no ambassador, no surprises, nobody wanted to be seen with massmurdering Jewish communism. That changed in 1933, not coincidental, with this Dutch Jew Roosevelt coming into office. So who was the new ambassador to Moscow? We have seen this fella before in this thread:

William Christian Bullitt 1933-1936

What do we know about him?

Like Roosevelt, Bullitt "rose from the rich." He was born into an important Philadelphia banking family, one of the city's wealthiest. His mother's grandfather, Jonathan Horwitz, was a German Jew who had come to the United States from Berlin.

No surprises here.

It was his idea to recognize the Soviet regime:

That same year, Wilson and British Prime Minister Lloyd George sent him to Russia to meet with Lenin and determine if the new Bolshevik government deserved recognition by the Allies. Bullitt met with Lenin and other top Soviet leaders and upon his return urged recognition of the new regime.

Bullit probably was Roosevelt's closest advisor:

In the Spring of 1938, all U.S. envoys in Europe were subordinated to Bullitt by an internal directive of the State Department.[14] As the European situation worsened in 1939, Roosevelt often spoke with his man in Paris by telephone, sometimes daily, frequently giving him precisely detailed and ultra-confidential instructions on how to conduct America's foreign policy. Not even Secretary of State Cordell Hull was privy to many of the letters and communications between Bullitt and Roosevelt.

Now something very interesting:

On 21 November 1938, Ambassador Potocki sent a report to Warsaw which discussed in some detail a conversation between himself and Bullitt, who happened to be back in Washington:

About Germany and Chancellor Hitler he spoke with great vehemence and strong hatred. He said that only force, and ultimately a war would put an end to the insane future German expansionism.

To my question asking how he visualized this coming war, he replied that above all the United States, France and England must rearm tremendously in order to be in a position to oppose German power.

Only then, when the moment is ripe, declared Bullitt further, will one be ready for the final decision. I asked him in what way a conflict could arise, since Germany would probably not attack England and France first. I simply could not see the connecting point in this whole combination.

Bullitt replied that the democratic countries absolutely needed another two years until they were fully armed. In the meantime, Germany would probably have advanced with its expansion in an easterly direction. It would be the wish of the democratic countries that armed conflict would break out there, in the East between the German Reich and Russia. As the Soviet Union's potential strength is not yet known, it might happen that Germany would have moved too far away from its base, and would be condemned to wage a long and weakening war. Only then would the democratic countries attack Germany, Bullitt declared, and force her to capitulate.

Wonderful, Stalin plotting for war between Germany and the Western European countries, Bullitt/Roosevelt for a war between Germany and Russia.

Here a nice quote to wrap it up:

The American Ambassador to Italy, William Phillips, admitted in his postwar memoirs that the Roosevelt administration was already committed to going to war on the side of Britain and France in late 1938.
 
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