Who started both World Wars?

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ddt said:
Could you then just list the primary sources he used and mentioned in the bibliography of his book?
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Watch the first video. It was from the 'logs' of German ministry of foreign affairs, I believe. According to S. every history faculty in Germany has these books. He shows one of these books during his lecture.

He verified his findings with the 'logs' of the Foreign Office in London, and the memoirs or diaries (I believe) of this Swedish businessman who acted as a mediator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birger_Dahlerus
 
9/11-investigator said:
It was the unexpected opportunity of the non-agression pact with the USSR, signed one week before the war, that enabled him to take measures against the Poles. There was no way for Hitler to even think of this solution, had he not had the backing of the Soviets. And that he got at the last moment.
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Nothing unexpected. The Nazis initiated those talks. And there's nothing unexpected that the Soviets were receptive to the idea that they'd reconquer the eastern parts of Poland they had lost in the 1920 Peace of Riga; as well as German blessing to reconquer the Baltic states and Bessarabia (of German's ally Romania).

9/11-investigator said:
The demands of the Germans were reasonable: give us our city back, give us a road to our Eastern territories and please do not kill your German citizens.

Hitler had to do something.
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Back then, it was perfectly normal that a country lose some territory when they lost a war. And Hitler had already done quite a lot: he had fostered a Nazi movement in Danzig like he had in Sudetenland. He had stirred the pot himself.

9/11-investigator said:
It is the same message that Buchanan has: the Poles behaved like madmen.
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It says more about your way of thinking than about actual history when you call the Poles madmen for not wanting to give up part of their territory. And we all know what happened with Czechoslovakia after it had given up part of its territory.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Watch the first video. It was from the 'logs' of German ministry of foreign affairs, I believe. According to S. every history faculty in Germany has these books. He shows one of these books during his lecture.

He verified his findings with the 'logs' of the Foreign Office in London, and the memoirs or diaries (I believe) of this Swedish businessman who acted as a mediator.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birger_Dahlerus
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I don't care for videos. List the primary sources already. You can type. Note also that you qualified each sentence with "I believe". Hence, I don't believe a word you wrote.
 
9/11-investigator said:
You are telling nothing new here. Fact also is that Poland did not exist during the entire 19th century.
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Yes they did. Congress Poland. It was a separate state, in personal union with Russia, i.e., with the Russian Czar as its King.

9/11-investigator said:
And I don't really care if Poland exists or not, it is up to them. Poland was recreated after WW1 at the expensive of the losers of WW1: Germany and Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Poland_(1918–1939)
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Yes indeed, read that. In an incredibly short time, they raised a considerable army and withstood the Bolshevik troops, e.g., the Miracle at the Vistula.

9/11-investigator said:
And they simply took it back 21 years later. I am aware that en entity called Poland existed for many centuries, which had hugely varying dimensions through the centuries. But then it never was a unified national state (this is a post-Napoleonic invention) but a kingdom, where many ethnicities were losely 'unified' under one banner.
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Poppycock. It had a king and a parliament, the Sejm. It was as unified as you can get. Oh, but in your view "unified" of course means "racially pure". :rolleyes:
 
9/11-investigator said:
The demands of the Germans were reasonable: give us our city back, give us a road to our Eastern territories and please do not kill your German citizens.

Hitler had to do something.
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An epic failure of imagination on Hitler's part is hardly a defense.

As I said earlier: It is not difficult to fail to invade another country.

That's all he had to do to avoid war.
 
Seems that nein11 still thinks Poland doesn't have a right to exist. Oh, and it's funny to see Buchanan take Nazi propaganda at face value. Hitler himself admitted to his Generals that Danzig was an excuse for the invasion of Poland and his real aim, Lebensraum. See here.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
And they simply took it back 21 years later. I am aware that en entity called Poland existed for many centuries, which had hugely varying dimensions through the centuries. But then it never was a unified national state (this is a post-Napoleonic invention) but a kingdom, where many ethnicities were losely 'unified' under one banner.
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Sounds a lot like Germany before the Second Reich.

And, of course, none of this excuses naked aggression against a sovereign country, however the sovereignty was achieved.
 
ddt said:
Yes they did. Congress Poland. It was a separate state, in personal union with Russia, i.e., with the Russian Czar as its King.
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You are not very smart. Ddt posts a link that contradicts his own position. And then he doubts the veracity of my links! :D

Though officially the Kingdom of Poland was to begin its statehood with considerable official political autonomy, the Tsars generally disregarded any restrictions on their power and severely curtailed autonomous powers following uprisings in 1830-31 and 1863 turning it first into a namestnik of the Russian Empire and later dividing it into guberniya (provinces).[1][2] Thus from the start the Polish autonomy remained nothing more than fiction
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DDT continues:

Yes indeed, read that. In an incredibly short time, they raised a considerable army and withstood the Bolshevik troops, e.g., the Miracle at the Vistula.
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That is true. They used this 'considerable army' to wage war against all their neighbours and taking territory from them.

Poppycock. It had a king and a parliament, the Sejm. It was as unified as you can get. Oh, but in your view "unified" of course means "racially pure". :rolleyes:
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It simply means that before the industrial era the central power in any political entity was not powerful enough to exercise the level of control (read tax and conscription) modern states are able to do. Remember that the Dutch started the war of independence against Spain partly because of the introduction of the tiende penning, meaning a tax level of 10%. Nowdays that is half the value of VAT alone.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
And from several independent sources (German, British, Swedish mediator) it became clear that Hitler wanted a way out of the crisis without war until one week before the actual start of the war.
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Bull cookies.

Hitler issued the Case White directive, telling the Wehrmacht to prepare for a surprise attack of Poland by September 1, 1939, in response to Chamberlain's guarantee that British and French forces would come to the aid of Poland if any territory were annexed by force.

You better believe Hitler wanted war. Would a man who wanted peace react in this way?

Hitler is notorious for using diplomacy as a feint or a stalling tactic to keep other countries from interfering with his expansionist policies. It took a while for the civilized nations of the world to catch on, but they finally learned that the only language Hitler understood was military force.
 
Gawdzilla said:
He doesn't give a damn about Poland one way or the other. He just wants to advance the neo-Nasty agenda. Poland just happens to be in the way.
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Obviously GZ does not go into specifics what this supposed 'neo-Nasty' agenda might be. It must be something horrible, that is for certain! GZ, the Anglo smearer pur sang, just wants to tie my agenda somehow with the H-word, that is all that there is to it. I already told you my political agenda, here it is again:

- Gaullist objective of l'Europe des Patries, from Paris, via Berlin to Moscow
- Abandon NATO, dissolve 'The West' and all it's post WW2 institutions. After the inevitable auto-destruction of the US, we might consider to recolonize some parts from the dying American carcass. If you are lucky. Maybe not.
- In school it will be taught that the 20th century was essentially a Jewish century (via their Soviet, American and British proxies). The 21th century will be European dominated again, with the Chinese as the other pillar in the global power statics.
- Zero 'immigration' (read colonization) from third world territories
- Abandon the Jewish imposed left/wing value system (Frankfurter Schule). Abandon egalitarianism, reintroduce gender roles and conservative family values, encoded in laws. Return of some form of aristocracy.
- Accept the theory of Samuel Huntington as a self-fulfilling prophecy. Multipolar world along civilizational lines
- Return of religion. Will be my last blog. :D
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Bull cookies.

Hitler issued the Case White directive, telling the Wehrmacht to prepare for a surprise attack of Poland by September 1, 1939, in response to Chamberlain's guarantee that British and French forces would come to the aid of Poland if any territory were annexed by force.

You better believe Hitler wanted war. Would a man who wanted peace react in this way?

Hitler is notorious for using diplomacy as a feint or a stalling tactic to keep other countries from interfering with his expansionist policies. It took a while for the civilized nations of the world to catch on, but they finally learned that the only language Hitler understood was military force.
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Interesting, never heard of that one before. As was to be expected you guys shoot yourself in the foot:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler's_directives

Fall Weiss directive

On 3 April 1939, the directive for Fall Weiss (Case White) was ready. It was issued on 11 April.

The first section, written by Hitler, began:

German relations with Poland continue to be based on the principles of avoiding any disturbances. Should Poland, however, change her policy towards Germany, a final settlement might become necessary in spite of the Treaty in force with Poland. The aim then will be to destroy Polish military strength, and create in the East a situation which satisfies the requirements of National Defence. The free state of Danzig will be proclaimed a part of Reich territory by the outbreak of hostilities at the latest. The political leaders consider it their task in this case to isolate Poland if possible, that is to say , to limit the war to Poland only.

The Wehrmacht had to be ready to carry out Fall Weiss at any time after 1 September 1939.
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From this formulation it becomes obvious that Germany was NOT looking for war. They wanted Danzig back and that was all. They were however preparing for eventualities.

You guys are really Clouseau's every now and then. But don't worry, I am here to help you.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
Popcorn, burger, rap, porn and other visual entertainment.

Homo Americanus.
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Genocide, warfare and keeping women chained in the kitchen seems to be your goal for 'civilization', so hey, Burgers don't seem too bad from where I'm standing.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Popcorn, burger, rap, porn and other visual entertainment.

Homo Americanus.
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Seems you know to whom I was referring as 'an unarmed man'.

I descend from a long line of Scots, too (Clan Fraser, to be precise), and proud of it, so even more for you to pity/scorn/get your jollies from.

I don't hate all that's German, by the way; for instance, I love 'Hamburg'ers and 'Frankfurt'ers. :)
 
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