Who started both World Wars?

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9/11-investigator said:
I do not understand this. Could you please tell me in a few sentences why you think that Japan attacked PH. Otherwise I will stay with Buchanan's assessment of the oil embargo.
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Yamamoto insisted on the attack to protect the IJN's eastern flank. The origin of the attack can be laid squarely on his doorstep, if one is intelligent enough to read the sources that are readily available.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Yamamoto insisted on the attack to protect the IJN's eastern flank. The origin of the attack can be laid squarely on his doorstep, if one is intelligent enough to read the sources that are readily available.
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Pearl Harbor was a pet project of his all the way back to the 1920's - If he'd been able to sell the plan he really wanted, and the Japanese government had not been so under the thumb of Tojo. The war may have played out a lot differently
 
MG1962 said:
Pearl Harbor was a pet project of his all the way back to the 1920's - If he'd been able to sell the plan he really wanted, and the Japanese government had not been so under the thumb of Tojo. The war may have played out a lot differently
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Perhaps, but he didn't start serious planning until January of 1941, when he discussed it with a select group of IJN high-rankers. I've been routinely impressed that the whole attack basically took less than 11 months from inception to execution.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Perhaps, but he didn't start serious planning until January of 1941, when he discussed it with a select group of IJN high-rankers. I've been routinely impressed that the whole attack basically took less than 11 months from inception to execution.
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The main reason for that new plan was the Taranto raid, and finally solving the problem of dropping Type 41 torpedos from aircraft to run shallow enough to over come the geology of Pearl harbor

The very first plans actually called for a military landing on the islands. By the early 30's the game plan was to destroy the infra structure at Pearl, which even when the attack came, should have been the primary mission.

Around 35' 36' Patton did a think tank exercise and basically wrote down the plan that was ultimately adopted in 41' The only difference, he had bombers instead of torpedo bombers
 
This is so fun watching 9/11 Investigator go down like this. Got my popcorn and soda and having a grand ol time.

BTW for 9/11 investigator:
1. Pearl Harbor was attcked by the Japanse
2. America didn't allow it to happen. It was more irresonsiblity on those manning the intelligence that let it slip by.
3. Hitler killed Jews.
4. Jews were gassed
5. The Axis were the bad guys, not the good guys.
 
9/11-investigator said:
America had chosen to strangle Japan by cutting off oil supplies, although Japan had not hurt American interests. Japan sought to free itself of that embargo --> Pearl Harbor.
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Now, please answer WHY the U.S. put the embargo in place. Here's a hint: it has something to do with Japan's brutal military occupation of China. Does the 'Rape of Nanking' ring a bell?

It's funny how you leave out the why of the embargo. Do you ignore the Japanese atrocities of WWII like you do the Nazi ones as well?
 
Corsair 115 said:
Now, please answer WHY the U.S. put the embargo in place. Here's a hint: it has something to do with Japan's brutal military occupation of China. Does the 'Rape of Nanking' ring a bell?

It's funny how you leave out the why of the embargo. Do you ignore the Japanese atrocities of WWII like you do the Nazi ones as well?
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Of course he does,the Japanese were fans of his Nazi pin-up boy.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Now, please answer WHY the U.S. put the embargo in place. Here's a hint: it has something to do with Japan's brutal military occupation of China. Does the 'Rape of Nanking' ring a bell?

It's funny how you leave out the why of the embargo. Do you ignore the Japanese atrocities of WWII like you do the Nazi ones as well?
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Translation: Corsair and I agree that Japan attacked PH because of the oil embargo imposed by the US on Japan so that the Japanese were forced to go after the Dutch East Indies. As Buchanan said: "no oil, no empire".

Thanks for the clarification.

So far I see no reason to abandon the explanation of my admired commentator Buchanan regarding Japan and PH.

About the Rape of Nanking:
The Nanking Massacre or Nanjing Massacre, also known as the Rape of Nanking, was a six-week period following the Japanese capture of the city of Nanjing (Nanking), the former capital of the Republic of China, on December 13, 1937. During this period, hundreds of thousands of civilians were murdered and 20,000–80,000 women were raped[1] by soldiers of the Imperial Japanese Army
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Seems rather small as compared to the state sanctioned rape by your noble allie the USSR, who raped almost every German woman they could find:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/may/01/news.features11

Eisenhower alone killed 1,000,000 German pows after the war.
WW2 Russians and Americans: the Mongolians of the modern aera.

P.S. Corsair is the guy who earlier advocated the complete extermination of the civilian population because, you see, during the day they could work in weapons factories and hence support the war effort. His appeal to humanitarian values regarding his reference to the rape of Nanking rings hollow.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
That is the whole point of Buchanan's book: why for heaven's sake ally yourself with the worst criminals of all, the Soviets???

BTW Patton, who grew to hate the Soviets and started to love the Germans, offered Washington to defeat the Soviets. Washington refused.
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Congratulations, you've uncovered the previously unknown fact that Patton was an impetuous hothead. Hundreds of people who never went to high school or never saw the movie Patton will be stunned at this revelation.
 
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