Who started both World Wars?

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My loyalties are with Europe and European Civilization. That is where 'our' refers to, not to Holland.
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If only the UK colonised Australia, and you don't consider the UK to be part of Europe or European Civilization, where does the 'our' come from?
 
Hans said:
Yes his 'Angles' error was pointed out to him earlier on. He didn't seem to like it but like a true believer he refused to be moved off the path/script of hate he's been told to believe.

He's a good believer not a thinker
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We realized that he was not a thinker some time ago.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The dutch had a penal colony in Australia?



How is that Europe?

Also the Australians faught in the Far East against Japan who were threatening invasion with their attacks southwards. Invasion was a real threat for some time.

You keep forgetting about the Far East for some reason
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A Dutch penal colony in Australia? Is there no end to the Lying Dutchman's ignorance? He really has made a dick of himself in this thread.
 
9/11-investigator said:
My loyalties are with Europe and European Civilization. That is where 'our' refers to, not to Holland. I do not like the ultra-left 'Hollanders' (from the Amsterdam, The Hague, Rotterdam area), in contrast to the East-Netherlanders, where I come from and who mockingly are known as the reserve-moffen (reserve Krauts).
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I guess it's because of all those ultra-lefties that in North and South Holland, the right-liberal/conservative VVD is the biggest party, while in the Eastern provinces Labour is? Or what about the recent successes of Wilders' party at the municipal elections in Almere and The Hague, the only two municipalities it participated in?

And evidence of the use of "reservemoffen" outside soccer fan circles? I only had heard it use before w.r.t. people from Limburg, actually.

9/11-investigator said:
I live in Amsterdam because of my clients. Holland and The Netherlands are always mixed up allthough North- and South-Holland are merely 2 provinces. It is like calling Germany Bavaria.
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No, like calling Germany Prussia. Bavaria is like Limburg - the part that the rest of the country mocks and says should be independent.

9/11-investigator said:
The reason is that historically Holland is the center of economic activity. That is going to change drastically with the rapid changing of demography.
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No chance in hell, and I'm not saying that because I think it's a good thing that there is a big population pressure on a small part of the country. You gave yourself the very reason just a few lines above why the predominance of economic activity in the Randstad is self-perpetuating.
 
Captain_Swoop said:
The dutch had a penal colony in Australia?



How is that Europe?

Also the Australians faught in the Far East against Japan who were threatening invasion with their attacks southwards. Invasion was a real threat for some time.

You keep forgetting about the Far East for some reason
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Made funnier by the fact we were fighting alongside Dutch forces to try and defend Dutch Colonial territory
 
dafydd said:
i.e.,ignorant.
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"Doesn't fit, can't make it fit, so it never happened."
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Hans said:
LOL what 9/11 means is "I'm afraid that he know more about history than I do so I avoid answering his questions".

In 9/11 world asking questions he cannot answer is 'stalking'!

Hey if I'm 'stalking' you how come I don't post in your other threads? Yet another question our friend will not answer.

by the way here are some of the questions that turn your bowels to water:

Why did Germany invade Luxembourg? Where the Luxies going to invade them?

Why did Germany plan to invade Switzerland? Was it to preempt an Anglo invasion (LOL)

What is your opinion of Anton actions towards the Dutch?
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There you go.
 
I do not like the ultra-left 'Hollanders' (from the Amsterdam, The Hague, Rotterdam area), in contrast to the East-Netherlanders, where I come from and who mockingly are known as the reserve-moffen (reserve Krauts).

I think reserve-Waffen would be more appropriate. :)
 
Oh yes. Everybody loved the Germans. For example their allies, the Finnish, respected them quite a bit - until the end of the war, where Finland was forced to surrender and send away the German soldiers stationed there, who burned half of Lapland as a parting gift. You can always count on those Germans.
 
Mirrorglass said:
Oh yes. Everybody loved the Germans. For example their allies, the Finnish, respected them quite a bit - until the end of the war, where Finland was forced to surrender and send away the German soldiers stationed there, who burned half of Lapland as a parting gift. You can always count on those Germans.
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You are sure this had nothing to do with the separate peace Finland made with the USSR? And the Fins changing sides and fighting their former ally?

Nevertheless never heard about it before. Interesting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lapland_War

Siilasvuo pursued the Germans, who consistently fought back so as to cover their retreat towards Norway. Motorized German troops were left behind to secure the main forces, defending their positions with heavy firepower. When the Finns arrived, they tried to bypass German posts with time consuming and back-breaking marches through marshland and forests. Knowing this, the Germans quickly pulled out, destroying bridges and moving to the next defensive post that they had planned and equipped beforehand.
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So what 'parting gift' had you expected then?
 
Yes, of course it had to do with Finland making a separate peace. It was a choice between that and total annihilation, as Germany had turned out to be a poor choice as an ally, yet refused to surrender.

You also conveniently ignored the part where the Germans initiated hostilities long before Finns, forcing Finns to fight them while at the same time demobilizing their forces.

While German ground troops were reorganised for withdrawal to the north, the German navy mined the seaward approaches to Finland and attempted to seize the island of Gogland in Operation Tanne Ost. Sailors on Finnish ships in German-held ports, including Norway, were interned, and German submarines sank several Finnish civilian vessels.
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And yes, this happened before the stuff in your quote did.

It should also be noted that the German campaign was not one of survival, but one meant to inflict as much damage as possible on their 'traitors'. It was a mindless campaign of hatred and destruction, in a situation where such tactics yielded no benefit whatsoever for the Germans; in fact, the German losses would without doubt have been much smaller had they not spent such effort to destroy their former ally.

In their retreat the German forces under General Lothar Rendulic devastated large areas of northern Finland with scorched earth tactics. As a result, some 40–47% of the dwellings in the area were destroyed, and the provincial capital of Rovaniemi was burned to the ground, as well as the villages of Savukoski and Enontekiö. Two-thirds of the buildings in the main villages of Sodankylä, Muonio, Kolari, Salla and Pello were demolished, 675 bridges were blown up, all main roads were mined, and 3,700 km of telephone lines were destroyed. In addition to the property losses, estimated as equivalent to about US $300 million (in 1945 dollars, which is equivalent to $3.15 billion in 2005 dollars), about 100,000 inhabitants became refugees, a situation that added to the problems of postwar reconstruction.
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Who was in a position to stop them?
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That is the whole point of Buchanan's book: why for heaven's sake ally yourself with the worst criminals of all, the Soviets???

BTW Patton, who grew to hate the Soviets and started to love the Germans, offered Washington to defeat the Soviets. Washington refused.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p397_Lutton.html

By the end of the war Patton was expressing serious doubts about the results of the conflict. In a letter to his wife, he confessed: "Berlin gave me the blues. We have destroyed what could have been a good race and we [are] about to replace them with Mongolian savages." And in another letter, Patton admitted: "The stuff in the papers about fraternization is all wet... All that sort of writing is done by Jews to get revenge. Actually, the Germans are the only decent people left in Europe... I prefer the Germans. So do our cousins [the British]."
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Patton and Montgomery considered the Soviets to be a serious menace. Both felt it best to carry the war into Russia in 1945, while the Anglo-American ground and air forces were mobilized and on the Continent, rather than wait for some crisis to emerge in the future. Patton was confident that he could be in Moscow within months.
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So.. in perfect world, the US conquered all of Eurasia after the fall of Germany, and now rules the Earth with an iron grip?

Also, while I'm not an expert on the matter, it would seem to me 'being in Moscow within months' would have been a pretty unreasonable estimate. I was under the impression there was an army of some sort in the way. Not to mention the fact that the US would have been hard pressed to make allies after establishing a pattern of randomly turning against them right after finishing a joint war operation.
 
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9/11-investigator said:
That is the whole point of Buchanan's book: why for heaven's sake ally yourself with the worst criminals of all, the Soviets???

BTW Patton, who grew to hate the Soviets and started to love the Germans, offered Washington to defeat the Soviets. Washington refused.

http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v05/v05p397_Lutton.html
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The quotes are from a book by Irving, proven liar, so are to be taken with large dollops of salt.

Patton had a long history of saying stupid things at the wrong time and to the wrong people. You should look at any quote from him in this light. But you will not.

Here's another bit of Patton history. I'll guess that this is not admissible (by your rules).

"Patton was horrified at what he found when his Third Army liberated Buchenwald concentration camp. Local German citizens claimed that they didn't know what was going on, though at least a few admitted to knowing of the atrocities but insisted they had been powerless to stop it. He ordered American troops to round up the approximately 2,000 local Germans and march them through the camps. He wanted them to see the atrocities firsthand."
 
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