Who started both World Wars?

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MG1962 said:
Not really the British took it off them in 1820 - The South Africans went on to fight and beat the Germans in WW1 and WW2 - there long range recon ability was legendary in the desert war.

Some have described them as almost as good as Australian soliders (yes I know thats hard to believe) but it may actually be true.

Either way the Germans presented little in the way of challenge, as if that's is a way to tell. Seems pretty much everyone beat the Germans
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Makes you wonder why Nein11 worships that loser Hitler.
 
MG1962 said:
Worthless till Schiel and Molotov are reconcilled - refer posts 4237 and 4238
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Scheil, his name is. Stefan Scheil. Here he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb4WrtVCBgs

Scheil almost has feminine features.
Meet the 'neonazi', 'neonazi' defined as in approaching the historic truth more than the current-powers-that-be could possible like? Vested interests and stuff. But I am sorry for the powers-that-be and their fate. The time is ripe now for a new interpretation while the largest power-that-be is crumbling before our eyes.
 
hmmm so somehow genetically the Germans mutated just for WWI & II before that they were unbeatable but then they lost those two wars. WTF?

Shall we take 9/11 down a stroll of history and point out the number of times 'German' troops and armies were defeated?
 
And he's back to the 1:6 outnumbering lie, despite having been corrected on that point numerous times.
 
uke2se said:
And he's back to the 1:6 outnumbering lie, despite having been corrected on that point numerous times.
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Denialism requires one to ....dare I say it...deny facts that don't support their delusions. At some point we'll have to concede that we are dealing with someone impossible to discuss anything. Of course that was noted by many people by page 5 of this thread. He'll just keep repeating lies.

Odd that, he was 1:7 for a while I wonder why he forgets the German allies?

On other matters

From der Fuhrer

It is useless to object here that in case of an alliance with Russia we should not think of an immediate war or that, anyhow, we should have means of making thorough preparations for war. No. An alliance which is not for the purpose of waging war has no meaning and no value. Even though at the moment when an alliance is concluded the prospect of war is a distant one, still the idea of the situation developing towards war is the profound reason for entering into an alliance. It is out of the question to think that the other Powers would be deceived as to the purpose of such an alliance. A Russo-German coalition would remain either a matter of so much paper – and in this case it would have no meaning for us – or the letter of the treaty would be put into practice visibly, and in that case the rest of the world would be warned. It would be childish to think that in such circumstances England and France would wait for ten years to give the Russo-German alliance time to complete its technical preparations. No. The storm would break over Germany immediately.

Therefore the fact of forming an alliance with Russia would be the signal for a new war. And the result of that would be the end of Germany.
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http://meinkampf.nfshost.com/chapte...olume=2&Chapter=14&keyword=desperate struggle

Hey he got something right, Alliance between Germany and Russia....hmmmmm

Hitler also noted;
The future goal of our foreign policy ought not to involve an orientation to the East or the West, but it ought to be an Eastern policy which will have in view the acquisition of such territory as is necessary for our German people.
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9/11-investigator said:
Scheil, his name is. Stefan Scheil. Here he is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb4WrtVCBgs

Scheil almost has feminine features.
Meet the 'neonazi', 'neonazi' defined as in approaching the historic truth more than the current-powers-that-be could possible like? Vested interests and stuff. But I am sorry for the powers-that-be and their fate. The time is ripe now for a new interpretation while the largest power-that-be is crumbling before our eyes.
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Why do you continue to dodge a simple request for clarification. You posted a link to Molotov - then you posted a link to a historian who disagrees with Molotov - which link displays the correct position for you
 
MG1962 said:
Why do you continue to dodge a simple request for clarification. You posted a link to Molotov - then you posted a link to a historian who disagrees with Molotov - which link displays the correct position for you
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It's obvious by now he doesn't read or watch his own links.
 
MG1962 said:
Not really the British took it off them in 1820 - The South Africans went on to fight and beat the Germans in WW1 and WW2 - there long range recon ability was legendary in the desert war.

Some have described them as almost as good as Australian soliders (yes I know thats hard to believe) but it may actually be true.

Either way the Germans presented little in the way of challenge, as if that's is a way to tell. Seems pretty much everyone beat the Germans
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I know, but my point was that there has been a Dutch speaking community in South Africa since the 1600's.
 
dudalb said:
I know, but my point was that there has been a Dutch speaking community in South Africa since the 1600's.
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Oh I got your point :) It is just that since they got spanked by the British they have been full of FIGJAM ever since
 
uke2se said:
And he's back to the 1:6 outnumbering lie, despite having been corrected on that point numerous times.
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I admitted that the allies outnumbering Germany by a factor of 1:7 was exaggerated and that it should be 1:6.

Now show us a link to the post where you showed that 1:6 was 'a lie'.

Not 'numerous' links, just one. :D
 
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Dolfie to Britain:

We could have had it all
We could have had it all
It all, it all it all,
We could have had it all
Rolling in the deep
You had my heart inside of your hand
And you played it
To the beat

Gerhard, Jacques and Vladimir accompany Neville to the gate in the walls surrounding and protecting the splendour of European civilisation and kindly say to him:

'and now walk'.
 
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Hossbach Memorandum.

German policy had to reckon with two hate-inspired antagonists, Britain and France, to whom a German colossus in the center of Europe was a thorn in the flesh, and both countries were opposed to any further strengthening of Germany's position either in Europe or overseas; in support of this opposition they were able to count on the agreement of all their political parties. Both 'countries saw in the establishment of German military bases overseas a threat to their own communications, a safeguarding of German commerce, and, as a consequence, a strengthening of Germany's position in Europe.



Hitler's own views there, in 1937. Just to inject some facts into the conversation, which nein/11 will ignore.
 
Uzzy said:
Hossbach Memorandum.

German policy had to reckon with two hate-inspired antagonists, Britain and France, to whom a German colossus in the center of Europe was a thorn in the flesh, and both countries were opposed to any further strengthening of Germany's position either in Europe or overseas; in support of this opposition they were able to count on the agreement of all their political parties. Both 'countries saw in the establishment of German military bases overseas a threat to their own communications, a safeguarding of German commerce, and, as a consequence, a strengthening of Germany's position in Europe.

Hitler's own views there, in 1937. Just to inject some facts into the conversation, which nein/11 will ignore.
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Another good quote from that document

Germany's problem could only be solved by means of force and this was never without attendant risk. The campaigns of Frederick the Great for Silesia and Bismarck's wars against Austria and France had involved unheard-of risk, and the swiftness of the Prussian action in 1870 had kept Austria from entering the war. If one accepts as the basis of the following exposition the resort to force with its attendant risks, then there remain still to be answered the questions "when" and "how." In this matter there were three cases [Falle] to be dealt with:
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Hitler outlines his plans of attacking based on three scenarios

I'll mention the first only - peaceful guy Hitler!

Case 1: Period 1943-1945.
After this date only a change for the worse, from our point of view, could be expected.

The equipment of the army, navy, and luftwaffe, as well as the formation of the officer corps, was nearly completed. Equipment and armament were modern; in further delay there lay the danger of their obsolescence. In particular, the secrecy of "special weapons" could not be preserved forever. The recruiting of reserves was limited to current age groups; further drafts from older untrained age groups were no longer available.

Our relative strength would decrease in relation to the rearmament which would by then have been carried out by the rest of the world. If we did not act by 1943-45' any year could, in consequence of a lack of reserves, produce the food crisis, to cope with which the necessary foreign exchange was not available, and this must be regarded as a "waning point of the regime." Besides, the world was expecting our attack and was increasing its counter-measures from year to year. It was while the rest of the world was still preparing its defenses [sich abriegele] that we were obliged to take the offensive.

Nobody knew today what the situation would be in the years 1943-45. One thing only was certain, that we could not wait longer.

On the one hand there was the great Wehrmacht, and the necessity of maintaining it at its present level, the aging of the movement and of its leaders; and on the other, the prospect of a lowering of the standard of living and of a limitation of the birth rate, which left no choice but to act. If the Fuehrer was still living, it was his unalterable resolve to solve Germany's problem of space at the latest by 1943-45. The necessity for action before 1943-45 would arise in cases 2 and 3.
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