Who started both World Wars?

[uke2se]

From the same book

Molotov: Stalin reckoned before the war that only in 1943 would​

we be able to meet the Germans as equals.

Molotov: We had to delay Germany’s aggression, that’s

why we tried to deal with them on an economic level, import export

Molotov: A mistake was made, but of minor importance, I
would say, because we were afraid to get ourselves
drawn into the war, to give the Germans a
pretext for attack. That’s how everything got
started. I assure you [...]​

Highlighted the point for you, Nein11, not that I expect you to understand it even with help.

 

[MG1962]

I know that you are able to make a quote all by yourself, but you forgot to make a point.

Icebreaker

 

[9/11-investigator]

Icebreaker

Well, one word is better than nothing of course, but I still find it a little bit thin to count as a point. Try to formulate a sentence, complete with a subject, a verb and a direct object.

If necessary we will help you formulate your point.
That is what we are here for: to help you.

 

[uke2se]

That is what we are here for

There's that word again. There is no "we", Nein11, jew. You're all alone.

 

[9/11-investigator]

There's that word again. There is no "we", Nein11, jew. You're all alone.

Message to MG1962: uke2se has just acknowledged that he does not want to help you in anyway.

Rest assured that the rest of us are. Just ask.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Highlighted the point for you, Nein11, not that I expect you to understand it even with help.

Nobody denies German agression and that they started Barbarossa. But that is irrelevant. What matters is what happened before that.

Here is my example again: man of unidentified color approaches woman in a parking garage, while she is putting her shopping bag in the back. The man walks in a straight line towards here and says nothing about his intentions. The woman grabs for her pepperspray and sprays in his face before he can grab her wrists.

uke2se: the woman is the agressor.

 

[uke2se]

Message to MG1962: uke2se has just acknowledged that he does not want to help you in anyway.

Rest assured that the rest of us are. Just ask.

Us, Nein11, jew? You imagine you can speak for anyone other than yourself and the voices in your head?

 

[uke2se]

Nobody denies German agression and that they started Barbarossa. But that is irrelevant. What matters is what happened before that.

Before Barbarossa, Nazi Germany had a long standing military exchange program - primarily to allow Hitler to get around the restrictions imposed on Germany by the Versailles treaty. They sealed their friendship by signing a non-aggression pact with a secret clause pertaining the carving up of Eastern Europe, making the pact a military alliance.

Here is my example again: man of unidentified color approaches woman in a parking garage, while she is putting her shopping bag in the back. The man walks in a straight line towards here and says nothing about his intentions. The woman grabs for her pepperspray and sprays in his face before he can grab her wrists.

uke2se: the woman is the agressor.

A better analogy than yours (which really sucks) would be: A white man with a swastika tattoo approaches a woman in a parking garage while she is putting her shopping bag in the back. The man walks in a straight line towards her and says "let me help you with that". The woman politely agrees, whereupon the man the man grabs her and forces her down and proceeds to rape her. The woman fights back and pepper sprays the man until he's docile, whereupon she calls the authorities and the man is arrested and jailed.

In this analogy - Nein11, Jew: the woman is the aggressor.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Before Barbarossa, Nazi Germany had a long standing military exchange program - primarily to allow Hitler to get around the restrictions imposed on Germany by the Versailles treaty.

Correct.

They sealed their friendship by signing a non-aggression pact with a secret clause pertaining the carving up of Eastern Europe, making the pact a military alliance.

No. If Poland had decided to attack either Germany or Russia one day after the signing of the pact neither Germany nor Russia would have been obliged by the terms of the pact to come the aid of other party. That would have the case if there would have been an alliance.

Any body besides uke2se reckless enough to defend the thesis that Germany and Russia were allies?

In this analogy - Nein11, Jew: the woman is the aggressor.

Be careful, I was suspended the other day because I assumed a connection between Wroclaws ability to speak Jiddish and his identity.

Just kidding, you can say what you want, without any fear for repercussions. This site likes people like you. And that is fine with me. Let us not pretend that we like each other.

P.S. about the pact:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ib2Mmim17aY&feature=related

Extremely interesting discovery by the speaker… before the Hitler-Stalin pact came about there had been negotiations between Russia, France and Britain. The latter two wanted a pact with Russia. In a secret annex they had offered the 3 Baltic states to Russia!!!! This would be later part of the agreement between Russia and Germany as well, but our noble Allies had offered the same thing!! So much for the ludicrous idea that Britain (and France) cared about the independenca of states; they were merely conduction Realpolitik! No difference in moral substance between Germans and British here. During following negotiations leading to the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement there is consequent talk of independence for the Baltic states. When Ribbentrop travels to Moscow, 7 days before the start of the war, in order to sign the non-agression agreement, he expects to have to sign the independence for the 3 Baltic states. Ribbentrop is surprised when he learns what the content of the secret annex is, namely the division of Eastern Europe in spheres of influence between Germany and Russia. He phones Hitler, who is surprised as well. But he needs the non-agression agreement with Russia in order to intervene in the ever more pressing Polish situation. The secret annex was a surprise coupe of the Soviets, not something the Germans had asked for.

Mind you, the sphere of influence was a Russian, not a German idea. Or condition rather. Hitler wanted merely make sure he could 'address' the Poles over the Danzig issue. Hitler wanted merely to defeat the Polish army and take Danzig back, stolen by the alllies in Versailles.

The division of Poland was a Soviet wish and condition. Hitler had not asked for it.

 

[uke2se]

No. If Poland had decided to attack either Germany or Russia one day after the signing of the pact neither Germany nor Russia would have been obliged by the terms of the pact to come the aid of other party. That would have the case if there would have been an alliance.

Which is why I said it was an offensive military alliance, which means that Germany and the USSR had planned to carve up Poland and Eastern Europe together.

Any body besides uke2se reckless enough to defend the thesis that Germany and Russia were allies?

Explaining history to a dumb person isn't reckless. Futile, maybe, but not reckless.

Be careful, I was suspended the other day because I assumed a connection between Wroclaws ability to speak Jiddish and his identity.

So?

Just kidding, you can say what you want, without any fear for repercussions. This site likes people like you. And that is fine with me. Let us not pretend that we like each other.

Yes, it's all a conspiracy against you, Nein11, Jew.

 

[uke2se]

Mind you, the sphere of influence was a Russian, not a German idea. Or condition rather. Hitler wanted merely make sure he could 'address' the Poles over the Danzig issue. Hitler wanted merely to defeat the Polish army and take Danzig back, stolen by the alllies in Versailles.

The division of Poland was a Soviet wish and condition. Hitler had not asked for it.

Ah, Hitler wanted only Danzig, which is why he occupied and kept the rest of Western Poland, Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia, Greece, Denmark, Norway, France, the Netherlands and Belgium, only to invade Russia. Makes sense.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Do we have a treat for you!

http://20thcentury-blog.blogspot.com/2011/02/stefan-scheil-194041-die-eskalation-des.html

Here is an extract of the first 123 pages of Stefan Scheil's 400 page book.
I suggest that my esteemed opponents study it intensively and formulate questions, if any, so we can later discuss them when I am finished.

Good luck!

 

[uke2se]

Do we have a treat for you!

http://20thcentury-blog.blogspot.com/2011/02/stefan-scheil-194041-die-eskalation-des.html

Here is an extract of the first 123 pages of Stefan Scheil's 400 page book.
I suggest that my esteemed opponents study it intensively and formulate questions, if any, so we can later discuss them when I am finished.

Good luck!

Why should we study a blog post written by a denier of history? That's like telling someone to study ants to understand Black Holes.

Also, just stop it with this "we" crap. Unless you want to admit you are suffering from multiple personality disorder, you can refer to yourself as "I". Nobody believes that you speak for anyone but yourself.

 

[dafydd]

Why should we study a blog post written by a denier of history? That's like telling someone to study ants to understand Black Holes.

Also, just stop it with this "we" crap. Unless you want to admit you are suffering from multiple personality disorder, you can refer to yourself as "I". Nobody believes that you speak for anyone but yourself.

The Nederlands is a tolerant and pleasant land because they sent most of their nutters to South Africa one hundred and fifty years ago. Some remain.

 

[dudalb]

The Nederlands is a tolerant and pleasant land because they sent most of their nutters to South Africa one hundred and fifty years ago. Some remain.

Actually the Dutch colony in South Africa dates from the 1600's.

 

[dafydd]

Actually the Dutch colony in South Africa dates from the 1600's.

I stand corrected.

 

[MG1962]

Do we have a treat for you!

http://20thcentury-blog.blogspot.com/2011/02/stefan-scheil-194041-die-eskalation-des.html

Here is an extract of the first 123 pages of Stefan Scheil's 400 page book.
I suggest that my esteemed opponents study it intensively and formulate questions, if any, so we can later discuss them when I am finished.

Good luck!

Schiel incorrect per your post #4237

Molotov says the following per post # 4238

 

[MG1962]

Actually the Dutch colony in South Africa dates from the 1600's.

Not really the British took it off them in 1820 - The South Africans went on to fight and beat the Germans in WW1 and WW2 - there long range recon ability was legendary in the desert war.

Some have described them as almost as good as Australian soliders (yes I know thats hard to believe) but it may actually be true.

Either way the Germans presented little in the way of challenge, as if that's is a way to tell. Seems pretty much everyone beat the Germans

 

[9/11-investigator]

Not really the British took it off them in 1820

Yeah, they did the same thing with Nieuw Amsterdam/'New York'. It should be called New Jerusalem now, but that is a different topic.

Some have described them as almost as good as Australian soliders (yes I know thats hard to believe) but it may actually be true.

I never heard anything about the alleged exceptional quality of Australian soldier, but I do like that MG1962 does seem to have some nationalistic feelings after all, hidden somewhere deep in his NWO chest. Friendly advice: I would not be too loud and proud of contributions in the past of bringing European civilization down. The geopolitical cards are going to be redealt very soon and already we can be certain that Anglosphere will get the worst hand of all. 'The White Race' 100 years ago constituted 30% of the planets personel, by mid 21th century it will be 5% (rough estimate, out of the top of my head). That means we will not be able to hold the land we currently occupy, certainly not in the light of the rest of the population which will grow to 9 billion max. in 2030. After that the Great Dying will set in, reducing world population to an estimated 1 billion in 2200 (mainly white and yellow). Now guess which territory the white race is going to lose first, or sacrifice rather to a rising China, in an attempt to keep them from the White Heartland Euro-Siberia? Exactly: Australia. And additionally the majority Mexican provinces like Texas, Arizona and so forth.

Either way the Germans presented little in the way of challenge, as if that's is a way to tell. Seems pretty much everyone beat the Germans

Insane remark as the murderous alllies outnumbered the Germans 1:6. Both in WW1 and WW2 it was shown that Germany could beat any combination of 3 out of the quadruplet [Britain, France, Russia, USA] but that 4 was too much. And precisely that illustrates the Germanophobia of these 4 entities: a big fat inferiority complex deeply rooted in reality. But the rule of the planet by white man is over for at least a century. In the very near future there will be no difference between an average American and these African blacks: "pulleeze let us in". And hey, if you are white, can speak German, can prove you never voted for the Dems or Reps, we might even consider letting you in.

Maybe.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Correcting previous post: world population will be 1 billion in 2100 rather than 2200 as a consequence of resource depletion. It is obvious that in 2100, at the end of the most horrendous century in the history of mankind, this century, nobody will remember the 'holocaust' anymore, regardless whether it happened or not.