Who started both World Wars?

[TSR]

Mind you, this general Remer was not a Nazi die-hard, but he was involved in the plot to kill Hitler!

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And, despite what the site tries to claim, was *not* the author of the article cited.

Stephanie Schoeman supposedly was, and what you posted was a supposed translation of that interview done by Mark Weber, a known liar.

Remember that discussion about primary sources, and how they are important
to the historical method?
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[Hans]

. And now that Stalin had maneuvered Hitler into war with the West-European powers he thought the time was ripe to open a second front. And that was exactly what he did in 1941.

I thought you said the evil Joos manuvered Hitler into attacking everyone from Luxembourg to Russia now its seems you blame Stalin - or are you now claiming he was Hebrew?

LOL

 

[Hans]

admit that he was dreaming in his younger and more irresponsible years of mildly mimicking the behavior of British, French and Dutch colonizers and acquire a strip of land here and there, but nothing on the scale the British had done, invading and occupying 25% of the planets surface. But in the climate of 1941 he could even think of stampeding into Russia just to flex a few muscles, while he was at war with Britain in the West and knowing very well that the US would enter the war at the first possible opportunity.

He ordered the German General Staff to prepare an invasion plan on July 21 1940. He confirmed it on December 18th 1940 ....why do you continue to lie about this?

Germany declared war on America .....so was Hitler just an idiot? LOL

 

[MG1962]

I thought you said the evil Joos manuvered Hitler into attacking everyone from Luxembourg to Russia now its seems you blame Stalin - or are you now claiming he was Hebrew?

LOL

No its complicated.

Stalin stole the Russian revolution from the Jews, then acted exactly like the Jews were - hence fooling Hitler - Then the British came along, see they owned 25% of the planet but somehow fooled Hitler that Britian saw Germany as a threat.

Then the Americans convinced the Jews that the Russians through the British had fooled Hitler into thinking he was a threat.

Then the Japanes agreed to lend the Americans a bunch of planes so that 4 or so years later the Americans could try and make the Japanese go extinct with super bombs.

Somehow this was organised by Stalin to convince Churchill to tell De Gaul tp prove to Patton that Zukov was right all along and Hitler we indeed an idot

 

[tsig]

I thought you said the evil Joos manuvered Hitler into attacking everyone from Luxembourg to Russia now its seems you blame Stalin - or are you now claiming he was Hebrew?

LOL

It seems obvious that according to posters here that Hitler was a Jew-puppet if not an undercover Jew. Why else would he lead Germany into a war unprepared and then attack Russia in the face of overwhelming odds.

WWII was a Jewish plot to get land.

 

[Hans]

The contradictions in 9/11 'theory' are mind boggling. Its a poorly constructed attempt to white wash and restructure history to make Hitler look intelligent and presentable - it fails completely. Despite continual lying and denial the basic facts remains. Hitler was a ruthless killer and invaded and occupied a number of countries and unleashed (more correctly was THE major contributor) to the start of WWII.

9/11 poor understanding of history makes his attempt to create an alternative rather pathetic. I have known 8th grade Arab girls with better knowledge of European/World History.

Some of his better howlers:
Not knowing 'Angelos' were the German Angles

Not realizing that Hitler admired the British - 9/11 seems to have forgotten this and seems to be confused saying at one point the British are hopeless, then that Hitler wanted to ally with them and then complaining they had conquered 25% of the planet……actions and results inconsistent by his declaration of ineptness.

Prideful and pompous declaration of German greatness – overlooking that they were defeat twice – attacking people you cannot beat is not a sign or intelligence but general stupidity

That the evil Joos maneuvered the Aryan super genius Hitler into doing exactly what they wanted? How strange….

That the German invasion of Norway was planned well before the limited British move to block iron ore access

Taking Slovakia was a criminal invasion

That the invasion of Denmark was unjustified

That invading Poland to regain Danzig then taking the whole country and in an alliance with the Soviet Union is not the act of a ‘peaceful’ man

That British and American bombing was somehow evil but the German bombing of Warsaw, Rotterday and a number of other cities was somehow good

That Germany had a right to invade the non threatening states of Netherland, Belgium and Luxembourg

Cannot seem to figure out that evil done by the Soviet had nothing to do with the Western Allies – by his logic the Germans were responsible too since they were allied with the Soviets at one point

Attempting to say that German wasn't as bad as the Soviet Union - cannot understand they were both terrible but Nazi Germany was a greater threat at the time. Up to 1940 the Soviet attempts to spread revolution had not involved conventional war - Nazis and their allies had. It took a while but in the end the West defeated both threats and did so without destroying the world.

That the invasion of the Soviet Union was planned well in advance and had nothing to do with a mythical Soviet attack. Hitler attacked his ally and was destroyed for it. A strategic error unworthy of an Austrian Corporal.

Probably the saddest mistake he has made - out of denial and not a lack of knowledge his reliance on poorly research tertiary sources material unstead of primary materials. He seems to think biased neo-nazi materials have some historical value - they don't in this context. As noted he is well aware of this but simply uses denial to gloss over his gross failure to do basic research

Feel free to repost and add to the 9/11 Howlers list

 

[SpitfireIX]

Not sure what you want to say with your wikipedia article quote, but I have to admit I was too quick while glancing over the IHR Remer article. My mistake, my apologies. I had never heard of Remer before.

The quotation was for the benefit of everyone reading the thread, however, on the off-chance you aren't being deliberately obtuse, I'll summarize:

• Remer was, in fact, a die-hard Nazi who actually helped foil the July 20 plot, and was clearly unrepentant after the war.
• Remer was an incompetent general who was only promoted because of his loyalty to Hitler.
• Remer was a Holocaust denier.

One other item that I initially omitted in the interest of brevity, but that upon reflection seems very important: Remer was a junior infantry officer in 1941, and could not possibly have had first-hand knowledge of any purported intelligence concerning an alleged Soviet plan to attack Germany.

My observation that he arrives at the same conclusion as Suvorov, namely that Barbarossa was a preemptive attack, still stands. And that is what is most important in the context of this thread.

Appeal to authority fallacy. As the above points demonstrate, there is no reason to believe that Remer's opinion carries any weight to speak of.

 

[SanityGap]

By no means do we solely have to rely on Suvorov if we have the American Albert Weeks. In Stalin's Other War: Soviet Grand Strategy, 1939-1941 he confirms what Suvorov said.

From the Amazon readers comments

Historical verification by Amazon readers comments research.
Priceless

 

[Hans]

Historical verification by Amazon readers comments research.
Priceless

A new laugh filled low for his research skills. Perhaps he should start to quote pyschics and celebrity pets

 

[TSR]

A new laugh filled low for his research skills. Perhaps he should start to quote pyschics and celebrity pets

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Or, perhaps, psychic celebrity pets? I hear Tinkerbell is absolutely *uncanny* ( or is that uncanine) at predicting pork belly futures. *That's* hawt.
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[dudalb]

Spouting off nonsense again? When Hitler wrote Mein Kampf, he was already on the road to become quite a successful politican. The NSDAP was on its way to become quite popular in Bavaria, and Hitler was an oft guest in the better Munich circles.

Spouting off Nonsense AGAIN?

WHen did the guy ever stop?

 

[dudalb]

The quotation was for the benefit of everyone reading the thread, however, on the off-chance you aren't being deliberately obtuse, I'll summarize:

• Remer was, in fact, a die-hard Nazi who actually helped foil the July 20 plot, and was clearly unrepentant after the war.
• Remer was an incompetent general who was only promoted because of his loyalty to Hitler.
• Remer was a Holocaust denier.

One other item that I initially omitted in the interest of brevity, but that upon reflection seems very important: Remer was a junior infantry officer in 1941, and could not possibly have had first-hand knowledge of any purported intelligence concerning an alleged Soviet plan to attack Germany.




Appeal to authority fallacy. As the above points demonstrate, there is no reason to believe that Remer's opinion carries any weight to speak of.

Remer was interviewed for the classic TV Documentary series "THe World At War" and, as of 1972, he was still an apologists for Hitler and company.

 

[JollyRoger]

Oh common thats to easy

11) other, namely politicians who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve issues with other nations with out going to war with other nations who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve their issues with other nations.

Their all at fault, if the politicians had to fight the war do you think the war would last as long as they do, and if war was not profitable do you think they would happen at all?

 

[Tolls]

Oh common thats to easy

11) other, namely politicians who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve issues with other nations with out going to war with other nations who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve their issues with other nations.

Their all at fault, if the politicians had to fight the war do you think the war would last as long as they do, and if war was not profitable do you think they would happen at all?

Does that include politicians whose children die in those wars?
Just asking because I can think of quite a few for the First World War, not least Asquith's eldest son on the Somme.

I mean, I'd hate to think you were just spouting off...

Oh, and I see 911's time off hasn't been spent educating himself.

 

[JollyRoger]

The title of this particular part of the forum does say Conspiracy theory

 

[dudalb]

Oh common thats to easy

11) other, namely politicians who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve issues with other nations with out going to war with other nations who don't have the problem solving skills to resolve their issues with other nations.

Their all at fault, if the politicians had to fight the war do you think the war would last as long as they do, and if war was not profitable do you think they would happen at all?

Don't know much history, do you?

When you have a fanatic like Hitler in charge, normal problem solving skills do not work very well.....

Learn to be more specific in your theories instead of trotting out nice sounding general purpose theories........

 

[JollyRoger]

Don't know much history, do you?

When you have a fanatic like Hitler in charge, normal problem solving skills do not work very well.....

Learn to be more specific in your theories instead of trotting out nice sounding general purpose theories........

OK then heres one more for the road.

a very wise person once said " their are three things you should never discus.

Religion, politics, and history." I asked why, and was told "because every bodies got a different version and you never gonna get any where.
Well I should have listened.

 

[uke2se]

OK then heres one more for the road.

a very wise person once said " their are three things you should never discus.

Religion, politics, and history." I asked why, and was told "because every bodies got a different version and you never gonna get any where.
Well I should have listened.

The person who told you that was wrong. There is only one history: what actually happened. We learn about history from people called historians. If you or anyone else has a problem with what we call history today (deniers have such a problem) the first people to turn to would be the historians and the first evidence to look at would be the primary sources. Deniers do neither. For them, it isn't about what really happened, but how what really happened can be erased to pave way for a revival of Nazism.

There is no equality between the two opposing view points in this matter. On one side we have the world's leading experts in the subject matter, and on the other we have a lunatic fringe driven by a political agenda or simple insanity.

 

[9/11-investigator]

OK then heres one more for the road.

a very wise person once said " their are three things you should never discus.

Religion, politics, and history." I asked why, and was told "because every bodies got a different version and you never gonna get any where.
Well I should have listened.

That is too pessimistic. There is a broad concensus about history in general, from the Romans until Watergate. And consider we are not concerned with individual opinions of posters but with the official narrative/concensus, based on the version of history as written by the victors. But the yesteryear victors are either non-existent (USSR) or in terminal decline (Anglosphere), giving opportunity to think things over again in order to reach a new concensus. In 10-20 years time we will have a new concensus, thanks to the internet. And to treat historic entities as shares here is my prediction for the future stock market of 2020-2030:

- Hitler: +
- holocaust: --
- Suvorov: +
- Jewish communism: ++
- Germany started WW1/WW2: -
- USA provoked war with Japan: ++
- Taylor Kent (Roosevelt was actively looking for war in Europe since at least the mid-thirties): ++
- Poland innocent victim of Nazi agression: -

 

[Hans]

Let me fix that so it reflects reality

- Hitler: hated even more
- holocaust: Still historical
- Suvorov: -
- communism:--
- Germany started WW1/WW2: +
- USA provoked war with Japan: -
- Taylor Kent (Roosevelt was actively looking for war in Europe since at least the mid-thirties): -

That's what the facts show 9/11 and you making stuff up doesn't change it