Who started both World Wars?

[kookbreaker]

Yeah, New Sweden (aka Delaware) did not last long .

Interestingly the New Sweden colonies were mostly populated with the Saami minority. They got along rather well with the native population as it turned out. The failure of New Sweden was more a factor of Queen Christina's lack of enthusiasm and distractions more than anything else.

 

[Hans]

4,000+ posts? To go back to the original question. Who started both World Wars?

The Germans, in Poland, with a rather stale schnitzel

 

[tsig]

If we are going to expand examples of White Aryans being defeated by Inferior races, The First Afghan war comes to mind.......I recommend Colonel Flashman's memoirs for a very good description of that.....

The entire Flashman Chronicles bear far more resemblance to history than does anything posted by our black shirt wannabees.

ETA:

Saggy loved the Black Natzies

Albeit he had never seen one;

He would have sinned incessantly

Could he have been one.

http://www.poemtree.com/poems/MiniverCheevy.htm

 

[dudalb]

The entire Flashman Chronicles bear far more resemblance to history than does anything posted by our black shirt wannabees.

ETA:

Saggy loved the Black Natzies

Albeit he had never seen one;

He would have sinned incessantly

Could he have been one.

http://www.poemtree.com/poems/MiniverCheevy.htm

Actually the FLashman novels are very well researched. Fraser did his homework.

 

[TSR]

...as does the one in the 9-11 subforum about "Dave Thomas" which makes me wonder if Wendy's is somehow related to 9/11)

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You haven't heard? Therm*te Dust is now on the Dollar Menu...
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[9/11-investigator]

Actually the FLashman novels are very well researched. Fraser did his homework.

Cannot be said of you

Dudalb earlier in the thread opined that 'Alsace/Lorraine' was French through and through, now even the 'French' president begs to differ:

So much for two World Wars! President Sarkozy angers French by saying Alsace region is STILL German in 'simple error'

We remember that from the perspective of the French government WW1 was fought to regain Elsass/Lotharingen from Germany and it succeeded in that aim. Now it turns out that WW1 (and as a consequence WW2 via the Versailles peace treaty) was fought over, well nothing!

Sorry about that.

Sarkozy made his remarks in the not very French sounding town of Truchtersheim.

A real French president, not having his (Jewish) roots in Hungary/Tessaloniki, would never have made such a mistake.

Welcome back to you all!

P.S. never knew that Sarko was a grass sniffer. Thought it was illegal in France.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Patton On jews And Germans

It is obvious why had to die

 

[dudalb]

He's back, and none the wiser.

 

[dudalb]

Interestingly the New Sweden colonies were mostly populated with the Saami minority. They got along rather well with the native population as it turned out. The failure of New Sweden was more a factor of Queen Christina's lack of enthusiasm and distractions more than anything else.

I saw that in a documentary on the Saami (AKA Laplanders) on the Discovery channel, which was narrated by Renee Zellwenger, whose Swedish mother is of Saami descent.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Frankly, my respect for Annapolis just went down a little because they had Suvorov as a speaker. I expected better from Rowboat U......

Poor dudalb, it gets worse:

Hudson Institute:
http://www.allworldwars.com/videos/Suvorov/Victor-Suvorov.html

C-SPAN did broadcast the Naval Institute speech as well:
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/283856-1

Suvorov is becoming mainstream; he already is in Russia.

 

[Corsair 115]

Suvorov is becoming mainstream; he already is in Russia.

It doesn't matter one whit whether he becomes mainstream or not. His ideas are still flat-out wrong and unsupported by anything resembling real-world facts.

 

[uke2se]

It doesn't matter one whit whether he becomes mainstream or not. His ideas are still flat-out wrong and unsupported by anything resembling real-world facts.

Nein-11 isn't interested in facts or history. He's interested in furthering his agenda and scoring a propaganda victory. He has all but said so outright. There's nothing to gain from further participation in this thread. Let it sink off the front page, and if Nein-11 spams it to keep it on top we'll just report him.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Interview with General Otto Ernst Remer.

English transscript.

He spoke directly with Hitler about the Polish attack:

"Why did you really attack Poland? Couldn't you have been more patient?"

He could not. Hitler's reply:

You are mistaken. I knew as early as March 1939 that Roosevelt had determined to bring about a world war, and I knew that the British were cooperating in this, and that Churchill was involved. God knows that I certainly did not want a world war. That's why I sought to solve the Polish problem in my own way with a kind of punishment expedition, without a declaration of war. After all, there had been thousands of murders of ethnic Germans and 1.2 million ethnic German refugees. What should I have done? I had to act. And for that reason, four weeks after this campaign, I made the most generous offer of peace that any victorious leader could ever have made. Unfortunately, it wasn't successful.

We have seen earlier in this thread that this all is true.

Furthermore he says what Suvorov said after him:

First of all, it should be clearly understood that at the time of the Balkans campaign in Yugoslavia and Greece in early 1941, when we had ten divisions on the entire length of the Soviet border, the Russians had stationed 247 major military formations on our border. After the conclusion of the Balkans campaign, we then quickly placed at most 170 major military units on the border with the Soviet Union. The Russians had readied themselves for an attack.

The initial successes of our forces against the Soviets were due to the fact that the Russians were not stationed in defense positions, but were instead positioned right at the front for attack, which made it possible for us to quickly encircle large Soviet forces. Thus, in the first weeks of the war, we were able to capture more than three million prisoners of war as well as enormous quantities of war equipment, all of which was on the frontier, positioned for attack

Russian build-up confirmed by air-reconnaissance:

That's the truth of the matter, which can be proven. I recently spoke with a Mr. Pemsel, who was a long-range aerial reconnaissance pilot. In the period before the beginning of the Soviet campaign, he flew as far as the Don River and observed and reported on this enormous concentration of Soviet forces on the border.

Crucial statement:

And after he received more and more reports of Soviet preparations for an attack against Germany and Europe, Hitler reacted. I am thus absolutely certain that Hitler did not originally plan to attack the Soviet Union. Instead, he acted as the changing situation demanded.

Read his comments about Jewish and in reaction Ukrainian attrocities, later blamed on the Germans:

No, these anti-Jewish pogroms were an expression of the outrage of the people. They hated the Jews.

In Poland as well, there were often pogroms. As you may know, in Poland.there were even pogroms against the Jews after the war. That was really something. The outrage of the people in the East against the Jews, who always portrayed themselves as decent people and good merchants, is indescribable.

About Hitler as a lover:

I don't think he was a great lover. I don't think so. He had a cousin, Geli Raubal, during the period of struggle before he became Chancellor. Hitler wasn't able to pay enough attention to her, but she loved him, and she took her own life. I think she was the only woman that Hitler really loved.

Remer was advocating in 1990 what I am advocating now:

A: We Germans must leave the NATO alliance. We must be militarily independent. We must create a nuclear-free zone. We must come to an understanding with the Russians... If we really come to an understanding with Russia, then it's all over for America.

Remer confirms that the Bolshevik coup was almost entirely Jewish lead, but that changed under Stalin:

Among the Soviet leaders at that time, 97 percent were Jews. And then Stalin came to power, and politicians who pursued a [non-ideological] policy in the interests of Russia, including the "Great Patriotic War" [that is, the Second World War], which he won.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Nein-11 isn't interested in facts or history. He's interested in furthering his agenda and scoring a propaganda victory. He has all but said so outright. There's nothing to gain from further participation in this thread. Let it sink off the front page, and if Nein-11 spams it to keep it on top we'll just report him.

uke2se is outright preparing for surrender on the intellectual level. I am glad that he admits that their is nothing to gain for my oppponents in this thread.

Tell me uke2se, what is it you want to know about WW2 but were always afraid to ask?

 

[Hans]

Considering that after 101 pages all we've seen are poorly constructed lies, ignorance of history and denial of what history is known what more do we have to talk about 9/11? Is there anything else you wish to demonstrate a lack of knowledge about?

 

[dafydd]

uke2se is outright preparing for surrender on the intellectual level. I am glad that he admits that their is nothing to gain for my oppponents in this thread.

Tell me uke2se, what is it you want to know about WW2 but were always afraid to ask?

That horrible smell is back.

 

[dafydd]

Considering that after 101 pages all we've seen are poorly constructed lies, ignorance of history and denial of what history is known what more do we have to talk about 9/11? Is there anything else you wish to demonstrate a lack of knowledge about?

It's about time this was put to rest,we have plumbed the depths of Nein's ignorance and anti-Semitism.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Mind you, this general Remer was not a Nazi die-hard, but he was involved in the plot to kill Hitler!

Otto Ernst Remer (1912-1997) was a German soldier during the Second World War. In July 1944 he played a key role in putting down the conspiracy to murder Hitler and seize control of the German government.

And it is him who says that Barbarossa was a forced pre-emptive attack.

 

[9/11-investigator]

It doesn't matter one whit whether he becomes mainstream or not. His ideas are still flat-out wrong and unsupported by anything resembling real-world facts.

So you are claiming that Soviet forces were not amassing along the western border?!

Got any evidence?

I mean, the Naval Institute and Hudson Institute are taking Suvorov seriously and C-Span as well.

 

[SpitfireIX]

Mind you, this general Remer was not a Nazi die-hard, but he was involved in the plot to kill Hitler!



And it is him who says that Barbarossa was a forced pre-emptive attack.

Did you even read your own source? It says that Remer was instrumental in stopping the plot.

Further, from a Wikipedia article on Otto Ernst Remer^WP:

Otto-Ernst Remer (18 August 1912 – 4 October 1997) was a German Wehrmacht officer who played a decisive role in stopping the 1944 20 July Plot against Adolf Hitler. After the war he co-founded the Sozialistische Reichspartei (SRP). He also advanced Holocaust denial. . . .

During this time, Remer and his men successfully stopped the 20 July plot to seize control of the German government, following the assassination attempt on Hitler. Upon being ordered by General Paul von Hase to arrest Minister of Propaganda Joseph Goebbels, Remer went to Goebbels office to do so, pistol in hand. Goebbels, however, used his oratory skills to dissuade Remer from arresting him, insisting instead that Hitler was still alive. When Remer asked for proof, Goebbels picked up the phone and asked to be put through to Hitler. Within the minute, Hitler was on the phone, and Goebbels handed the receiver to Remer. Hitler asked Remer whether he recognized his voice, then gave Remer orders to crush the plot with his troops, which he did. That same night Remer was promoted two ranks to oberst (colonel). . . .

Remer went on to command an expanded Führer Begleit Brigade (FBB), a field unit formed from a Grossdeutschland cadre, in East Prussia with little success. His men suffered high casualties, reportedly due to his leadership. The brigade was then transferred to the west for the Ardennes Offensive, in December 1944, and again suffered high casualties for little gain.

In 1945, when the FBB was expanded to divisional status, he was promoted to generalmajor (brigadier general), and appointed to command it. He was not considered a successful division commander, for when the FBD moved to Silesia in March 1945, Remer was criticized for lack of ability once again. . . .

Remer's Socialist Reich Party, which he had co-founded in 1950, was banned in 1952, after it had gathered about 360,000 supporters in Lower Saxony, and won 16 seats in the state parliament. The Socialist Reich Party also won eight seats in the Bremen state parliament.

From 1991 to 1994, Remer put out his own publication, the Remer-Depesche. Remer was sentenced to 22 months of imprisonment in October 1992, for writing and publishing a number of articles that were said to incite "racial hatred", through their questioning of the Holocaust.