Who started both World Wars?

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dudalb said:
If we are going to expand examples of White Aryans being defeated by Inferior races, The First Afghan war comes to mind.......I recommend Colonel Flashman's memoirs for a very good description of that.....
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Ah yes flashman - of course some of the tribes in Afghanistan are 'white' using 9/11 weird parameters.

I seem to recall the Swedish army being defeated by the Russian Slavs on more than one occassion.

Hmmm I wonder how the French defeated the Prussian army in 1806? I've forgotten but on planet 9/11 are the French considered to be 'white'? LOL

Unfortunately/fortunately the northern Europeans didn't get into Colonization as much as others, Swedish and Danish colonization being rather rare. So they have had fewer contacts with those pesky 'inferior' races. I seem to recall that the Dutch army in The Dutch East Indies and Ceylon didn't do very well against the Japanese and during 300+ years in the east and suffered a number of defeats against all types of inferior foes to include the British......
 
Myron Proudfoot said:
When I cover WWII I tell my students all the nations that participated with the Allies, not just formally by declaring war, but by sending troops, and they're amazed. All they ever think about is the US, USSR and Britain.
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Yes I've noted that too. I also note that the Axis only includes the Germans and Japanese and tends to leave out the Italians, Roumanians, Hungarians and Bulgaria and few other occupied/puppet states and the odd co-belligerent.

Most forgotten is the follow on Italian state that fought for the Axis after the Kingdom of Italy surrendered and switched sides. The much forgotten Republic of Salo (Italian Social Republic or Repubblica Sociale Italiana or RSI)
 
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Hitler changed the subject to the larger matter of the opportunities available after the conquest of England. Hitler told Molotov that:

“ After the conquest of England, the British Empire would be apportioned as a gigantic world-wide estate in bankruptcy of forty million square kilometers. In this bankrupt estate there would be for Russia access to the ice-free and really open ocean. Thus far, a minority of forty-five million Englishmen had ruled six hundred million inhabitants of the British Empire. He was about to crush this minority . . . Under these circumstances there arose world-wide perspectives . . . All the countries which could possibly be interested in the bankrupt estate would have to stop all controversies among themselves and concern themselves exclusively with the partition of the British Empire. This applied to Germany, France, Italy, Russia and Japan.
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Shirer 1990, p. 725

In the air raid shelter, Ribbentrop gave Molotov a draft agreement with two parts. As had become the practice between the parties, one part was of the agreement that would eventually be made public, while the other contained the secret agreement. The public portion contained an agreement with a ten year term whereby the parties would respect each others natural spheres of interests, while Germany, Italy and Japan would affirm their recognition of existing Soviet borders.

The draft of the secret agreement included the obligation not to join any alliance directed at the four signatories and to assist each other in economic matters. The secret agreement contained a protocol defining the territorial objectives of the four signatories, with Germany laying claims to central Africa, Italy in northern and northeast Africa, Japan in southeast Asia and the Soviet zone to the to ”center south of the national territory of the Soviet Union in the direction of the Indian Ocean.” A second secret protocol provided that Germany, Italy and the Soviet Union would "liberate" Turkey from its international obligations with Britain to guarantee its borders.
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One month after Nazi government foreign ministry documents describing the negotiations were publicly released by the United States, the Soviet Foreign Information Bureau wrote a response in a book titled Falsifiers of History.

After receiving translations of the newly released documents, Stalin personally edited, struck and re-wrote entire sections by hand drafts he had been given of Falsifiers before its release in February 1948.

In Falsifiers, Stalin claimed that he was merely "probing out" Germany in Axis negotiations and to have outright rejected Hitler's proposal to share a division of the world. That version persisted, without exception, in all historical studies, official accounts, memoirs and textbooks published in the USSR until 1990
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From the wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German–Soviet_Axis_talks#cite_note-shirer725-67
 
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SanityGap said:
Yes, we really disgraced ourselves in the summer of 1940. If only the Luftwaffe had been a superior force...
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I'm sure that, somehow, our intrepid 9/11 investigator will find a way to blame that German defeat on the Jews as well...
 
Hans said:
Hmmm I wonder how the French defeated the Prussian army in 1806? I've forgotten but on planet 9/11 are the French considered to be 'white'? LOL
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I think he usually classes the French as white, at least the northern ones.

However Napoleon was a Corsican, so he falls under those dodgy Mediterranean types that 911 disparages whenever the likes of Italy are brought up.
 
Tolls said:
I think he usually classes the French as white, at least the northern ones.

However Napoleon was a Corsican, so he falls under those dodgy Mediterranean types that 911 disparages whenever the likes of Italy are brought up.
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Perhaps we need a guide to 9/11's twisted world! I wonder where the South Tyrolese fit into his world view.
 
Hans said:
Perhaps we need a guide to 9/11's twisted world! I wonder where the South Tyrolese fit into his world view.
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Considering his use of Anglo as an insult, and his failure to acknowledge the germanic origins of the Anglo-Saxons, I suspect it would be a "unique" view.
 
Corsair 115 said:
I'm sure that, somehow, our intrepid 9/11 investigator will find a way to blame that German defeat on the Jews as well...
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Barnes Wallis-Jewish*
R.J.Mitchell -Jewish*
Eric Bishop -Jewish*
Vera Lynn -Jewish*

Need any more proof?:rolleyes:



*Possibly/maybe
 
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Just to follow up on this...

9/11-investigator said:
...and had some 15 year olds fighting you in the Ardennes.
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The reason the Ardennes offensive failed was not because of the troops participating, but because the operation was poorly conceived—the German armoured forces only had enough fuel to get roughly halfway to their objectives. They were relying on capturing Allied fuel dumps to get them the rest of the way.*

Such a plan had no realistic chance of succeeding.

As is happened, the 101st Airborne held Bastogne, Patton turned his army 90º in just a few days, and the skies cleared, unleashing Allied air power. Which turned an unfeasible campaign into a sound defeat. Germany would have been better off having dug in all those troops along its border to defend against any western Allied offensive—as they had demonstrated in Normandy, the German army could be an extremely tough defender of terrain.

But who was it who ordered the Ardennes offensive, over the objections of many of his generals? Who was it who would not countenance a tactical retreat when it was clear the battle was not going to be won? Your old friend Hitler.


*And the primary reason for that fuel shortage? The progressive destruction of German oil production by USAAF and RAF heavy bombers.
 
It's good nein11 is on a forced vacation, so I had some time to catch up with the thread. :)
9/11-investigator said:
I voted for the Jew Wilders and his PVV,
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I wonder if nein11 realizes how racially impure Wilders is. His grandmother from mother's side is indeed from a Jewish family in the Dutch East Indies; but that grandmother also has several "natives" among her ancestors, who thus were from a clearly inferior race (in nein11's terms) - and most likely Muslim too. :)
 
Hans said:
Ah yes flashman - of course some of the tribes in Afghanistan are 'white' using 9/11 weird parameters.

I seem to recall the Swedish army being defeated by the Russian Slavs on more than one occassion.

Hmmm I wonder how the French defeated the Prussian army in 1806? I've forgotten but on planet 9/11 are the French considered to be 'white'? LOL

Unfortunately/fortunately the northern Europeans didn't get into Colonization as much as others, Swedish and Danish colonization being rather rare. So they have had fewer contacts with those pesky 'inferior' races. I seem to recall that the Dutch army in The Dutch East Indies and Ceylon didn't do very well against the Japanese and during 300+ years in the east and suffered a number of defeats against all types of inferior foes to include the British......
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Yeah, New Sweden (aka Delaware) did not last long .
 
Tolls said:
I think he usually classes the French as white, at least the northern ones.

However Napoleon was a Corsican, so he falls under those dodgy Mediterranean types that 911 disparages whenever the likes of Italy are brought up.
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Our Investigator apparently never heard of the Roman Empire........
 
9/11-investigator said:
It was my mother who experienced the 'hongerwinter' herself, but that starvation was a consequence of the war, not the occupation. In fact, after the Germans took over in 1940 life continued almost unchanged.
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For a while, yes. In 1941 the first razzias to round up Jews started, which would result in the murder of around 105,000 Dutch Jews. In 1942, the Arbeitseinsatz started, in which the Nazis would ship off hundreds of thousands Dutch to do slave labor for the Nazi war machine. And the Netherlands was relatively well-off during the Nazi occupation.

The hunger winter of 1944/45 was the result of the occupation. To help the Allied war effort, the Dutch railway personnel went on strike at the time of Market Garden, and kept in hiding. The Nazis, however, not only refused to run trains with food themselves, but blocked any food transport, resulting in massive food shortages in the heavily urbanized west part of the country, and around 20,000 deaths. That was wholly unnecessary as on the whole, there was enough food in the occupied part of the Netherlands.
 
9/11-investigator said:
Hans:

"What did you think of Anton's treason against the Dutch?"

ddt:

"You forgot to ask how nein11 thinks about Anton. Or rather, I'd be more interested to know how he thinks about Meinout."

Both are gleefully refering to Anton Mussert, the Dutch national socialist, who got shot after the war. They both assume that I deplore that he got shot, because they assume that I have sympathy for national socialism. They are wrong. Not that I am going to put a iota of effort in denying that I am a Nazi. I am going to be smeared anyway into being a Nazi. Smearing is the essence of people of low character. A better strategy is to openly encourage to be smeared as a Nazi. At least in that case you don't bow for their tirannical political correctness. So Hans and ddt implicitly support the shooting of Mussert because of treason of the Dutch people. But now they put themselves on a slippery slope. Because they are traitors themselves (I was assuming at the time that both Hans and ddt were Dutch, because they both seemed to be able to speak Dutch, a rare quality among non-Dutch people). They both are incurable lefties, meaning advocates of unhindered third world immigration. In effect they do the same thing as Mussert: they cooperate with an invading hostile force.

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The level of my knowledge is not that relevant. Never claimed to be an original historian. But I am an effective summarizer. And integrator of knowledge.
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Another post where our little Nazi confabulator shows his ignorance of history. I'm not so sure I support the execution of Mussert. The claim he helped the enemy is quite tenuous. He was against the German occupation, rather he wanted to have an independent Netherlands (with very good ties to Germany of course). He was never a real Nazi, nor an antisemite. The Germans gave him the title "Leader of the Dutch people", but that was an empty title without any powers.

Which is why I mentioned Meinout Rost van Tonningen, who was an unreconstructed Nazi and gradually had become the most influential man within the NSB. He served in the Waffen SS on the Russian front. He was appointed director of the Dutch national bank, and as such was very eager to pay the Nazis the costs they levied for the occupation, and to trade them the Dutch gold reserves for paper German money. Needless to say, his tenure is not highly valued. I happened to visit the board room of the Dutch national bank about a year ago, and his portrait is absent from the gallery there. :)
 
dudalb said:
Yeah, New Sweden (aka Delaware) did not last long .
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Hey but the Swedes did keep Saint Barthélemy until 1878 but there African colonies/trading posts were all lost in wars with Dutch, English, French and the native tribes
 
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4,000+ posts? To go back to the original question. Who started both World Wars? I did, OK, I'm sorry, I let my blood sugar get too low and I was cranky. I won't do it again. Can we move on now?



(Actually I am enjoying this thread and have learned more than a few things. But the thread title makes me snicker, as does the one in the 9-11 subforum about "Dave Thomas" which makes me wonder if Wendy's is somehow related to 9/11)
 
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