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On August 13, 1945, after the Russians had declared war on Japan and attacked the Japanese in Manchuria, after two Japanese cities had been destroyed by atomic bombs, and after the U.S. had resumed conventional bombing operations against Japanese targets, the Japanese cabinet was still deadlocked over the issue of surrendering.
Were it not for the Emperor personally intervening and coming down on the side of surrender at that meeting, the war would have continued. In spite of a Russian declaration of war. In spite of two cities vanishing under atomic bombs. In spite of hundreds of B-29s once again dropping bombs. That's how determined some in the Japanese government were to fighting to the death.
You are completely ignoring that the Japanese ambassador in Moscow was instructed on July 13 to approach Stalin to with the message that Japan was ready to surrender. This instruction can only be send if the government has taken a decision. So you are wrong about the deadlock.
Indeed, even though the Emperor himself had forced the decision on behalf of surrendering (a completely unusual occurrence since the Emperor almost never interfered in government policy and decisions) there was an attempted coup to prevent the surrender message from being broadcast.
So any suggestion that the Japanese government was completely united in its desire to surrender unconditionally in mid-July is laughable and without factual support.
So what were these conditions that justified your kind to slaughter 200,000 innocent people when you already knew that a surrender at least was in the making.
For the more sane around here, I have Eisenhower on my side:
http://www.doug-long.com/quotes.htm
"...in [July] 1945... Secretary of War Stimson, visiting my headquarters in Germany, informed me that our government was preparing to drop an atomic bomb on Japan. I was one of those who felt that there were a number of cogent reasons to question the wisdom of such an act. ...the Secretary, upon giving me the news of the successful bomb test in New Mexico, and of the plan for using it, asked for my reaction, apparently expecting a vigorous assent.
"During his recitation of the relevant facts, I had been conscious of a feeling of depression and so I voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives. It was my belief that Japan was, at that very moment, seeking some way to surrender with a minimum loss of 'face'. The Secretary was deeply perturbed by my attitude..."
- Dwight Eisenhower, Mandate For Change, pg. 380
That was the judgment of a top ranking general.
Here is another opinion that mattered:
The dropping of the bomb was completely unnecessary but these Washington Mengele's wanted to carry out a mega-size 'medical experiment'.Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to presidents Roosevelt and Truman, later commented:
It is my opinion that the use of the barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan ... The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons ... My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.
So, who were the real Inglorious Basterds, I am asking you?
I know the answer.
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