Who started both World Wars?

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Please excuse coming back to these earlier posts, but I was away for a few days and am trying to get caught up.


9/11-investigator said:
In the defeat of Germany the effort was divided among the allies as follows:

USSR: 80%
Americans: 15%
Britain: 5%
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Please provide more detail to support the above. When you say "effort" do you mean strictly ground effort, as in infantry, artillery, and armour? Does "effort" mean strictly combat in the field? How exactly are you defining "effort" in this context?


9/11-investigator said:
To come up with a WW2 planetary ranking of average military strength per individual:

1. German
2. French
3. Russian
4. British
5. American
6. Japanese
7. Italian
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Once again, insufficient detail. What exactly does "military strength per individual" mean? The hand-to-hand combat capability of the individual infantryman? What about their equipment? What about the combat support of other branches, such as artillery or aircraft? More importantly, what about their logistical support? You can be the biggest, baddest, most well-equipped soldier in the world, but if you can't get bullets for your gun and food for your belly your fighting ability means nothing.
 
MG1962 said:
Well Belz, it might be a two ferr deal. Yes attacking the heart of the Commonwealth would be enough to upset most Canadians, but then tearing up France is going to get them very annoyed.
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We're the only country in the world that you can piss off by attacking either Britain or France. :D
 
Yea, I'm sure American's industrial capacity had nothing to do with how WWII turned out...
 
Or the Royal Navy sinking all those U Boats and escorting all those Convoys across the Atlantic and through the Arctic to Russia.
Or defeating the Italins in Africa and their Navy in the Med
Or the Air Forces of the USA and the RAF clearing the skies of German aircraft to such an extent that ground forces could operate with virtualy no fear of attack after D-Day.

etc. etc.
 
A writer for the Saturday Evening Post was on Roosevelt's case for leading the US into a war it didn't need long before Pearl Harbor. His articles have been collected and published here ...

http://www.amazon.com/Defend-America-First-Editorials-1939-1942/dp/0870044338/antiwarbookstore

From the synopsis ...

Garrett had been writing for well over a year that our president, with the complicity of an inept congress, had in fact been waging an undeclared war against Germany and Japan even though at the time we were woefully unprepared for it and that we elected our leaders based on promises to keep us out of it.
 
Saggy said:
Garrett had been writing for well over a year that our president, with the complicity of an inept congress, had in fact been waging an undeclared war against Germany and Japan even though at the time we were woefully unprepared for it and that we elected our leaders based on promises to keep us out of it.
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Define 'woefully unprepared.' The American populace, by and large, may not have wanted to go to war, but there were plenty who recognized the inevitability of having to go to war against the aggressive, expansionist, and unpleasant German and Japanese regimes, and certainly many in government recognized that.
 
Corsair 115 said:
Define 'woefully unprepared.' The American populace, by and large, may not have wanted to go to war, but there were plenty who recognized the inevitability of having to go to war against the aggressive, expansionist, and unpleasant German and Japanese regimes, and certainly many in government recognized that.
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As a side bar - Princeton University did a study of the famous 1938 War Of The Worlds broadcast. One of the major contributing factors offered was the jittery nature of people. The was not a concern if the US would go to war, but when

I dont have my copy of the book any more, but the study was completed well before the US entered the war - 1940 at the latest
 
Saggy said:
Garrett had been writing for well over a year that our president, with the complicity of an inept congress, had in fact been waging an undeclared war against Germany and Japan even though at the time we were woefully unprepared for it and that we elected our leaders based on promises to keep us out of it.
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For such an unprepared nation, we sure opened up a can of whup-ass.
 
Saggy said:
Garrett had been writing for well over a year that our president, with the complicity of an inept congress, had in fact been waging an undeclared war against Germany and Japan even though at the time we were woefully unprepared for it and that we elected our leaders based on promises to keep us out of it.
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Yep, we needed to be killing more Nazis sooner. It's an embarrassment we didn't start killing them in 1939.
 
Gawdzilla said:
Gallup and the Public Opinion Quarterly agree.
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Yeah thats why I mentioned it. There are whole chapters in the Princeton treaty on how they survey people, so it is a nice confirmation of what Gallup was saying.

Although not US related there was an excellent documentary I saw a couple of years ago called "The Dominion At War" It was how people in the Commonweath countries reacted to the comming war. As in the US there were amazing number of people in Australia and New Zealand writing in their diaries in 38 about the coming war
 
MG1962 said:
Yeah thats why I mentioned it. There are whole chapters in the Princeton treaty on how they survey people, so it is a nice confirmation of what Gallup was saying.

Although not US related there was an excellent documentary I saw a couple of years ago called "The Dominion At War" It was how people in the Commonweath countries reacted to the comming war. As in the US there were amazing number of people in Australia and New Zealand writing in their diaries in 38 about the coming war
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Interviewing Date 12/18-23/38
Survey #141 Question #4
Would you favor changing the term of office of the President of the United States to one six year term with no reelection?
Yes................................ 24%
No................................76
JANUARY 30
EUROPEAN WAR
Interviewing Date 1/12-17/39
Survey #144-A Question 13a
Do you believe there will be a war between any of the big European countries this year?
Yes................................44%
No................................56
Interviewing Date 1/12-17/39
Survey #144-A Question #3b
If there is such a war, which country do you think will be responsible for starting it?
Germany alone......................62%
Italy alone.......................... 12
Germany and Italy................... 20
Others............................. 6
Interviewing Date 1/12-17/39
Survey #144-A Question #3c
If there is such a war, do you think the United States will be drawn in?
Yes................................57%
No................................43
 
OCTOBER 18
EUROPEAN WAR
Interviewing Date 10/5-10/39
Survey #173-A Question #4a
Hitler says that the Polish question is settled and England and France have no reason to continue the war with Germany. Do you agree?
Yes................................ 14%
No................................ 86
Thirteen per cent expressed no opinion.
 
Gawdzilla said:
OCTOBER 18
EUROPEAN WAR
Interviewing Date 10/5-10/39
Survey #173-A Question #4a
Hitler says that the Polish question is settled and England and France have no reason to continue the war with Germany. Do you agree?
Yes................................ 14%
No................................ 86
Thirteen per cent expressed no opinion.
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That's really pretty clear isn't it?
 
Gawdzilla said:
OCTOBER 18
EUROPEAN WAR
Interviewing Date 10/5-10/39
Survey #173-A Question #4a
Hitler says that the Polish question is settled and England and France have no reason to continue the war with Germany. Do you agree?
Yes................................ 14%
No................................ 86
Thirteen per cent expressed no opinion.
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That would be 113%.

14+86+13=113
 
DECEMBER 11, 1940
EUROPEAN WAR
Special Survey
Asked in Great Britain: If someone in your presence suggested that it would be a good idea to have a negotiated peace with Germany now, what would you do?
Agree that it would be a good idea..... 7%
Contradict him...................... 59
Report him to the authorities......... 13
Say nothing, no opinion.............. 21
 
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