Gawdzilla Sama
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Who started both World Wars?
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Eating at all was frequently a powerful motivator.
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Peiper survived the war and was later murdered in his home which was then set on fire in 1976. Police believed the perpetrators were former french resistance fighters, but no arrests in the case were ever made.
So did the Nuremberg Tribunals. The Waffen SS was ruled a criminal organization, not a real military force. They were prohibited from receiving veterans benefits. Veterans of the Heer, Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe got their checks after the war, but ex-SS had to work for a living.
Gawdzilla Sama
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How about East Germany? Same there?
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In the UK we have quite a few 'Re-enactment' and 'living history' groups who dress up in WW2 Uniforms and put on shows and appear at events etc. I have seen, and know pwople inquite few. There are a lot of british Army groups of course and a lot of US Army re-enactment groups. German Army groups are not as popular butthey exist and they are usualy the 'opponents' in re-enactments.
What I find disturbing are a couple of re-enactment groups that dress up as the SS. What is their motivation?
They don't re-enact the massacre of prisoners and civilains or the burning of peasant cottages and farms though.
What I find disturbing are a couple of re-enactment groups that dress up as the SS. What is their motivation?
They don't re-enact the massacre of prisoners and civilains or the burning of peasant cottages and farms though.
CptColumbo
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There are a couple of groups here in MN that do the same. One group dresses as US airborne and another as German Wehrmacht soldiers. They don't do many re-enactments, they mainly give demonstrations and lectures (about the equipment carried and their purpose) at libraries and schools.
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I am glad they do that - Too often the ordinary ground pounding German soliders get wrapped together with the sins of the SS
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The New Interpretation of WW1 and WW2.
Warning: shocking for Anglo's and Russians, liberating for Europeans.
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Annotation of a German documentary about who is guilty for WW2. Documentary largely follows the book "Der Krieg der viele Vaeter hatte" by Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof.
Video of lecture by Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof.
Timeline video (can be read as a summary of the documentary):
1:00 – The usual painful guilt ritual performed by German politicians like Angela Merkel: ”Germany did it.”
1:40 – Sound fragment of Hitler explaining why he invaded Poland.
3:00 – Pictures from a beautiful Berlin short before outbreak of the war
3:35 – 1933, Hitler’s rise to power; end of chaotic Weimar Republic with 20 cabinets and 12 chancelors in 15 years. Millions of Germans lived in poverty. Sebastian Haffner describes general feeling as a relief of being liberated from democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Haffner
4:28 – Socialist state controlled/planned economy with 4 year plans. Goering responsible.
4:46 – Middle class is stimulated with orders
4:52 – Praise for the Reichsarbeitsdienst as important means in combatting unemployment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsarbeitsdienst
5:30 – Clear improvement of economic and social conditions under the Nazi’s. Exagerated assessment of the role of the armaments industry; the economy was predominantly civil/consumerist, not military. Follows idyllic pictures of Germany under Nazi’s.
6:40 – Modest initial steps by Hitler on international stage, until he assesses that he won’t get international confidence and recognition.
7:00 – first concentration on Saarland, according to versailles allocated for 15 years to France.
7:20 - 13 Jan 1935, 90% vote for return to Germany, overruling independence or staying with France
7:49 – despite big success for Hitler on the Saarland issue, he declares that he does not want Elsas-Lotharingen back.
8:05 – Next goal: Rhineland Had been occupied by French and Belgian forces in the early twenties.
8:25 – In 1925 the demilitarization had been confirmed in Locarno. Big European powers incl. Germany agree not to allie themselves against each other
8:50 – In 1935 Locarno is gone. France starts alliance with USSR, clearly directed against Germany, thereby breaking Locarno and devalueing German-Polish Non Agression Pact.
9:25 – after the French breach of Locarno Hitler no langer felt himself bound by this treaty either an doccupied the Rhineland in 1936. Hitler’s staff had warned against this move and predicted that Paris would react. It did not.
10:20 – Back to Versailles. Agreed was the everybody would reduce forces, starting with Germany. Germany fulfills the agreement until 1927 (Reichswehr down to 100,000 and 15,000 Marines, airforce to zero). Next French, British and US were supposed to follow suite, but they did not. On the contrary, they increase defense spending instead. Requests by Germany to at least be allowed to setup an army capable of defense is rejected.
11:27 – In 1933, France and other neighbouring states are superior to Germany in military strength by a factor of 12. In the years after 1933 Hitler proposed 6 times to reduce armaments. If these attempts fail, Hitler orders to increase the size of the Reichswehr.
12:20 – Nowadays it is custom to call the Anschluss with Austria an occupation. In reality Austria had been a unit with Germany for more than 1000 years (Heiliger Roemisches Reich Deutscher Nation). After 1918 Habsburg Austria was dismantled by the allies. It was Austrian National Versammlung who after 1918 decided themselves to be united with Germany. The population in overwhelming majority voted in favour. But the allies refused to permit this from happening, despite professions of self-determination.
15:50 – German troops move into Austria, triumphant welcome by Vienna population. Anschluss was later confirmed via a plebiscite.
18:40 – A Czechoslovakia, a designer state from Versailles, that had never in history had been a state before. 6.7 millions Czechs, 3.1 million Sudeten-Germans, 2 million Slovaks, 700,000 Hungarians, 460,000 Ukrainians. In Versailles it was determined that minorities would enjoy autonomy. This was never realized. A consitution is made where minority rights are denied. Repression is the result. All important posts are occupied by Czechs.
20:20 – from may 1938 dramatic increase in attacks on Sudeten-Germans by Czechs. Calls by Sudeten-Germans for an Anschluss with Germany. When a martial law is imposed Hitler demands an Anschluss as well.
20:50 – Chamberlain travels to Munich in september 20, 1938, British, French and Germans agree that Sudeten-German lands should return to Germany.
22:30 – German Memelland was since 1918 under French supervision and illegally had been taken over by Lithuania. Seeing what had happened to Austrians and Sudeten-Germans, the people of Memel also wanted to return to the Reich. In 1939 the Lithuanian government agreed to return Memle to the Reich after Britain and France refused to guarantee Lithuanian rule.
23:40 – Poland felt threatened by these development and was fearing that similar events could happen around Danzig. Althought official governed by the Volkenbund, in reality the Poles controlled Danzig. The Poles even wanted to absorb Danzig completely into Poland.
24:15 – After 1918 Poland was not satisfied with it’s borders. Some aspired a Great-Poland. Poland continuously persued expansion of it’s army. It did in fact attack most of it’s neighbours and annexed new territory.
25:15 – After Hitler’s election victory, Pilsudski repeatedly had proposed to France for joint military action against Poland.
(see Wikipedia to get an idea of the aggressive stance of Poland; consistently tried to destroy Russia!)
25:20 – France declined and in 1934 German-Polish friendship treaty leading to a period of détente.
25:50 – Danzig 340,000 inhabitants, 97% Germans. The allies refused to let Danzig return to the Reich.
26:40 – Same situation in West-Prussia that had been allocated to Poland. East-Prussia was thereby cut-off from Germany.
27:05 – Transport problems between Germany and East-Prussia. Frustrated by the Poles. In 1936 the Poles blocked all railways. From this the idea of an exterritorial railway and autobahn was developed.
28:10 – Negotiations started between Germany and Poland. 24 October 1939 Germany proposed to recognise that West-Prussia would be recognized as Polish in return for Danzig and corridor. No Weimar government had ever proposed this. Negotiations until january 1939.
29:30 – While Germany is still negotiating, in Poland there is openly talk about war. 4 March 1939 discussion about Operation Plan West, before Hitler orders to start discussing plan Fall Weiss.
30:03 – On march 1939 had Britain and France assured Poland cooperation in case of war with Germany.
30:40 – Churchill tells Bruenig the real aim of Britain: we want to completely destroy the German economy.[check this in Buchanan]
31:20 – May15, 1939, French high commander assures the Poles that in case of a war, the French army would attack Germany with it’s full weight. Warsaw believed this and it encouraged the Poles greatly not to engage in negotiations. The Germans repreated their position until April without threats or talk of war.
32:50 –Pogroms start in Poland against minorities. Thousands of Germans get deported. In July and August Germans flee from Poland to Germany, thereby risking their lives. Shortly before the war 80,000 Germans are in refugee camps.
33:55 – Germany explains Britain and France that the situation is untenable. The position of the German minorities is now the most pressing issue. After 5 proposals Hitler decides duringt the spring of 1939 that war against Poland is an option. Mobilization of several army divisions.
34:45 – In the USSR meanwhile it’s leaders are still dreaming of conquering the world. Stalin still believes in Lenin’s doctrine of war in Europe. No longer is Stalin putting his bets on communist parties in Western Europe but instead of revolutionary opportunities from outside.
35:35 – For this purpose Stalin morphs his army into a force designed to attack. The develop0ment of this army is realised at enormous costs for the Soviet population (like selling grain abroad to acquire funds for the buying of military technology). In the Ukraine alone 5 million people die because of the famine as a consequence of this policy.
36:45 – In 1934 the USSR has more tanks than all other European countries combined.
37:00 – in 1941 the total number is 24,000 tanks.
37:05 - Stalin’s strategy was based on a plan by Michael Tukhachevsky, advocating a Blitz into the territory of the opponent with tanks and planes.
37:50 - A typical example is the tank BT designed for a well developed road system like in Europe.
38:10 – in August 1939 French and British delegations arrive in Moscow to negotiate with Moscow about a war against Germany. Stalin plays on time, he has plans of his own and peace are no part of it. He is looking for war in Europe and this determines his choice of allies.
38:45 – Hitler wants an alliance with Stalin in order to be able to attack Poland. He is foolishly convinced that a pact with Russia will discourage Britain and France from war with Germany.
39:05 – Stalin is convinced that a German attack on Poland will trigger a war of Britain and France against Germany. In that case the conditions described by Lenin’s doctrine would be realized.
39:35 – Germany offers Stalin a non agression pact and a division of spheres of influence in Eastern Europe. Stalin accepts.
40:45 - August 19, 1939, secret meeting polit bureau. Stalin justifies his pact with Hitler as a means of initiating a war in Europe between Germany and Britain/France, while Russia can wait.
" The question of peace or war has reached its critical phase. The solution depends entirely on the position the soviet union will take. We are absolutely convinced, that if we sign a treaty of assistance with France and England, Germany will see herself forced to shy back from Poland and to look for a mode vivendi with the western powers. This way, a war could be avoided. On the other hand, if we accept germany´s proposals- which you know- namely to sign a non aggresion treaty, then germany will attack poland for sure and the intervention of england and france becomes unavoidable. Under these circumstances we have great chances to stay out of the conflict and can tensely wait for our time. It is decisive for us, that this war lasts as long as possible- until the exhaustment of both sides. Thats exactly what is in our interest."
41:20 - The pact is signed on August 23.
41:40 - Despite this, Hitler keeps negotiating with the Poles and asks Britain for mediation and offers Britain an assistance and friendship treaty and support for it’s empire.
42:25 – Britain evades the offer, presses Poles to negotiate but tells them that they should not give in to consessions.
43:15 – Of historical importance is that Roosevelt was aware of the agreement between Germany and Russia about dividing Poland, he does not inform Poland about this. If Poland would have known this they no doubt would have give in to reasonable German demands concerning Danzig.
43:53 – August 30, final offer from Hitler to Poland: Danzig as the final territorial demand in return for Polands post-Versailles territorial gains (West-Prussia) and plesbicite among people living in the corridor if they want to be part of Poland or Germany.
45:00 – Poland refuses.
45:30 – The infamous Hitler quote "I am just afraid, that in the last moment some swinehund (Schweinehund) comes across with an intermediate proposal" is a falsification produced in Nuremberg.
46:08 – September 1, Wehrmacht advances to start invasion.
47:25 – September 3, Britain and France declare war on Germany.
48:00 – Revenge against Polish Germans; 5000 killed, 1000 of them in bromberg.
48:45 – September 4, British airplanes attack German ships.
49:10 - A day later German U-boats and British ships lash in the Atlantic. Both parties sink ships. Germany attempts to keep France out of the war.
49:55 – British troops go ashore in France. France mobilizes 80 divisions, a giant force, between North-Sea and Switzerland. Germany has just 11 divisions in opposition.
50:20 – Nevertheless no French assault.
50:30 – Rapid advance of German troops in Poland.
51:50 – Stalin is surprised by the spee of the German invasion. On September 17, Russia invades from the east to secure it’s part of the deal with Hitler. Britain and France demand Russia to withdraw and threaten to declare war. It remains an empty threat.
52:48 – Instead, 4 weeks later, Britain and France turn to Moscow to persuade Stalin to join them in a war against Germany.
53:02 – Ultimatum against Warsaw, the last remaining hold out of the Poles. Poles refuse. On September 26, the assault starts; 24 hours later Warsaw surrenders. 40,000 people killed in total.
54:35 – Hitler proposes peace to Britain and France and offers to withdraw from Polish territories except for the corridor. They refuse because their goal was not to save Poland but to destroy Germany.
55:05 – Nothing happens on French-German border. On North-Sea and Atlantic clashes between Germany and Britain do occur.
56:30 – Without declaration of war USSR attacks Finland on November 1939. Finland surrenders in March 12, 1940.[911I: Obivously no protest from the side of Britain/France]
57:15 – For the German armaments industry Swedish iron ore shipped via Narvik/Norway, is of vital importance. On March 2nd and April 6th the German government again offers peace to Britain/France and a withdrawal from Poland.
57:35 – As a response Britain starts to mine Norwegian waters.
57:48 – On April 9th British, French and Germans troops attack Narvik at the same day. After weeks of fighting the Germans occupy entire Norway.
58:40 – Still quiet on the German-French front but Britain deploys troops in Northern France.
58:50 – May 10, 1940, Britain invades neutral Iceland.
59:00 – On the same day Germany attacks France in reaction to continued allied troops deployment along the same pattern as in 1914.
59:35 – France is beaten in 6 weeks. Blitzkrieg.
1:02:40 – Hitler let’s the British expedition force escape from Dunkerque.
1:03:05 – Italy declares war on France (after it was already beaten).
1:03:35 – Meanwhile Russia occupies the Baltics and parts of Rumania. Stalin breaks non-agression pacts with all 6 neighbouring states. Not a peep from the Western powers. They still hope to win Stalin as an allie against Germany.
1:04:35 - July 19, 1940, after the fall of France, Hitler offers Britain another peace offer. Again rejected. Air war starts. August 13, British accupy Egypt.
1:05:40 – In September 1940 the officially neutral USA deliveres 50 destroyers to Britain.
1:05:50 – September 1, 1940, conscription in Russia. Millions new recrutes under arms. German secret service presents Hitler document concerning meeting Supreme Soviet of August 2, where it is stated that an attack from the West needs to be pre-empted.
1:06:25 – Romanian president asks for help with Hitler against possible Soviet attack. Hitler sends troops to secure oil fields of Ploesti.
1:06:48 – Despite the desperate British military situation, in the Foreign Office there is amazement about the fact that until November 1940 more than 2 dozen peace offers were made. They arrived at the British government through several distinct channels: the swedish industrial Dahlerus, the former chancellor of the Reich Franz von Papen, the Vatican, the King of Sweden, the Finish premier minister, the King of Spain, Dr. Ludwig Weissauer and Dr. Joseph Goebbels. Curchill is playing for time and hopes he can draw the USSR and USA into the war.
1:08:15 – Sir Robert van Sittart as the chef ideologue of the British Government; his credo as a guideline for diplomats: "The German Reich is the enemy, not just Nazism, and those who have not yet learned this lesson have learned nothing whatsoever. All possibility of compromise has now gone and it is going to be a fight until the end and a bitter end. We have enough of Dahlerus, Goerdeler, Weissauer and company."
1:09:20 – November 12, 1940, Molotov travels to Berlin with new Soviet territorial demands. Molotov seeks a security zone in the West. These demands equate an encirclement of the Reich and Hilter refuses. This is the moment Hitler decides that he must attack Russia in order to preempt the plans of Stalin.
1:10:25 – an entry of the diary of Goebbels support the thesis of a pre-emptive war. Goebbels cites Hitler as follows: "We have to act; Moscow will stay out of the war untill Europe is exhausted and bleading to death. Next Stalin will act, bolshevize Europe and take over his rule over Europe. We will put a spoke in his wheel. Russia will attack us when we become weak and then we had the 2-front war, which I will avoid by this pre-emptive action."
1:11:40 – Italy invades Greece and Yugoslavia, grossly overestimating it’s own strength. End’s in desaster. Between October 1940 and January 1941 the English oppose the Italians in Europe and Africa. Mussolini is forced to ask Hitler for help. Hitler forced to help his ally on the Balkans and Africa. Yugoslavia is taken in 11 days and Greece in 3 weeks. The Germans under Rommel push back the English to the Libian border in 2 months.
1:13:20 – Italy is saved but the price is high. The German fronts are getting ever more overextended. And a new war is looming in the east as well.
1:14:00 - May 5, 1941, Stalin finally drops his mask. Speech in the Frunze military academy in Moscow. "Now, that we have supplied our army sufficiently with modern technology for the battle, we have to switch from defense to attack. The wars with Poland and Finland were no wars of defense, we already have entered the path of offensive politics- the Red Army is a modern army, and a modern army is an attack army."
1:14:40 – Russian military expenditure is 43% of the entire state budget. Just one day before, the politbureau ordered the construction of 20 new, and the development of 231 already existing airplane runways, which generally were no farther situated than 100km away from the soviet german border. On May 15th, Georgi Shukov, Chairman of the Joined Chiefs of Staff of the Red Army, informs Stalin on the newest developments on the German-Russian border, and says: "There is the possibility, that Germany anticipates us with regard to deployment, and brings a surprise plan into action".
1:15:40 – Hitler knows very well about the Russian mobilization and advances. Already om May 14, Hitler informs his generals about military developments in Russia, like the large number of airstrips near the border which Hitler interprets as signs of an immanent invasion.
1:16:16 – Hitler orders an attack to prevent becoming attacked himself first. When the Germans invade on June 22, 1941, they meet the largest invasion army in the history of mankind. 6 Million soldiers, 25,000 tanks and 19,000 airplanes were gathered to invade Western Europe. The Red Army initially is paralysed by the German surprise attack. 2 million Russian soldiers become POW during the first months of the war. Hitler, unlike his generals, was sceptical from the start that Russia would implode soon. Hitler: "that the soviet union is to me as eerie as the ghost ship in the flying dutchman".
1:18:20 – The new russian tank T34, in it´s robustness and weaponry superiour to any german modell, causes bother in the german frontlines. It’s armor of up to 7cm vitually made it invincible. The consequences were rapidly felt: In a short timespan the German tank divisions reported a loss of 20% of it’s equipment.
1:18:50 – The results were 86,000 deaths, 290,000 wounded and 20,000 MIA. A lot of losses were caused by partisans. The partisans fought with extraordinary cruelty against the landsers. Their encroachments made no distinction between doctors, medical personell, soldiers and wounded. In all sections of the front captured landsers were discovered, who were murdered with their arms tied to their backs. The documents on those cases of partisan cruelties, prepared by a wehrmacht examination center,which in the same accurate manner reported on german crimes aswell, talk volumes. However till this day not a single case is on the records, that would account for german soldiers maiming prissoners of war physically.
1:20:15 - The execution of Soviet partisans is a controversial issue. Partisans, no matter in which country, violate Article 1 of the The Hague Land Warfare Convention that declares with 4 criterias the group who is competent to legitimate warfare. Therefore executions of Partisans were not in contradiction to the international law and were also executed by the Allies in Germany. It is historically interesting that Lenin cancelled this agreement which was appointed 1907 in the Hague Land Warfare Convention as a basis for future wars. The Geneva Convention of 1929, in which the treatment of prisoners is regulated according to international law, the USSR did not even join. As a result the guidelines of the convention were not in the training schedule of the Red Army. So according to international law the Soviet Union was outside the community of states.
1:21:19 - In the far north the attack of the German / Finnish troops came to a deadlock in mid-September. Again and again Lieutenant-General Dietel, who led the operation of the so called "Lapland Army", vainly tried to conquer the railroad from Murmansk to Leningrad. He wanted to stop the onward movement of arriving American arms deliveries to the Soviet Union. Murmansk was the only port in the Soviet Arctic circle that is ice-free all year round. Last offshoots of the Gulf Stream avert a freezing even at air temperatures of minus 50 degrees. The war in the nordic forests cause greatest difficulties to the Germans. The brunt of battles was literally borne by the shoulders of the infantry because heavy equipment was hardly useable. Considering the rough terrain and the supply problems involved, never more than 2 german divisions were operating at the front of Lapland. So larger military advances were impossible, the fight was determined by commando raids and smaller missions- a war in secret. When the German offensive against Murmansk was halted on 14 October more than 2600 dead and missing people as well as 8000 wounded were mourned on the German side. Ports and railroads remained in Stalins hand during the entire war. Via Murmansk the Americans supplied the Red Army with more than 3000 aircraft, 4000 tanks, hundreds of thousands of vehicles and vast amounts of ammunition, equipment and food in 1941 only.
1:23:14 - Mid-September 1941 it started to rain in the centre section of the eastern front. On 19 September, the 6th army conquered Kiev, the capital of Ukrainian Sovietrepublik. The battle in the area of Kiev became a fiasco for the Soviet side. More than 660,000 Red Army soldiers were taken prisoner. 2 October 1941, 5:30 clock, beginning of operation "Typhoon". Northeast of Smolensk the "army group center" under Field Marshal Fedor von Bock launched an offensive with 2000 tanks against Moscow. The first messages promised a great success, Guderian's armored corps reached Orell, conquered the city, and turned to the north. Units of the "second army" came across northeastern of Bryansk, turned south, and become merged with the armored units of the "third and fourth army", which circuit the "Viasma", in the rear of Soviet defense forces. 55 divisions of the Red Army were sitting in a huge trap, of which there was no escape. While the encircled Soviet troops were worn out, the "fourth and ninth army" pushed further in the direction of Moscow.
The result of the offensive was devastating for the Red Army: till mid - October approximately 670,000 men were taken in captivity. At the same time the "army group south" of von Rundstedt defeated the "18th Soviet army" near the Azov Sea, and captured another 100,000 men. Numbers that pose major problems to the armed forces. Especially in winter 1941-42, hundreds of thousands of prisoners starved. Reason for this was the collapse of the german logistics which caused catastrophic supply shortfalls.
1:25:40 - Jointly responsible for this tragedy was also Stalin's policy of scourged earth. According to his order of November 17, all settlements along the approach roads to a depth of 40 - 60 and a width of 20 to 30 kilometers were destroyed. So infrastructure was destroyed - friend and enemy doomed. This destructions were conducted on the explicit command of Stalin by Soviet chase commands in German loot uniforms, which had to make sure to leave survivors of their actions, so that they later could report on the "German" atrocities. In this way, the hate against the German occupation armies increased.
1:27:00 - On 9 October when Goebels suggested a wool collection campaign to the Chief of Army Staff, General Alfred Jodel, to help the front in order of the coming winter, the General answered him:
Jodel: "In winter? At that time we sit in the warm quarters of Leningrad and Moscow. Let that be only our concern. We have finally and without exaggeration, won this war." A few days later the first snowflakes fell on the eastern front -The beginning of the end of the snowstorms; nightly frost and thaw on the day transformed the streets into bottomless morass. Within a few weeks the german eastern army lost about 1/3 of its 500,000 vehicles. On 16 October the temperature dropped to 8 degrees below zero, a strong winter had a firm grip over Russia. To think about long-range movements was not possible. Most of the troops were fighting without winter clothing, at some fronts more soldiers fail by frostbite than by war-related injuries. The supply of essential goods collapsed. Railroads could not ride because the boiler were damaged in consequence of inadequate frost protection. The aircraft fell also victim to the icy temperatures. The pilots, who destroyed in 180,000 missions over 15,000 enemy aircraft, 3,200 tanks, 2,400 guns and 58,000 further vehicles in the past 6 months, could not start their machines because the oil in the motors froze.
On 23 October the Wehmachts-report announced: "Despite difficult weather conditions, the outer defensive position of the soviet capital was broken across a broad front in the recent days. Here and there our spearheads have attacked up to 60km to Moscow."
Despite all the discomforts german units continued fighting, conquered Kharkoff and forced access to the Crimea. In early november Kursk and Feo-Dosia on the Black Sea coast fell in german hand. The number of fallen Germans had increased to 150,000 men. The capture of Rostov on Don by "army group south" on 21 November was estimated in the Wehrmacht report as "important for the continuation of war." There was no talk about a fast victory anymore.
1:29:45 - On Nov 29, 1941 when the German Minister of Munitions, Fritz Todt confided in a conversation with Hitler that the war, in view of the armaments of the enemy, could no longer be won militarily, he asks him: “How am I supposed to end this war? Hardly I don’t see any way to come to an political end." At this moment Hitler understood that he is trapped and there is no possibility to escape. A bit later Stalin strikes. Against his huge war machine which produces hundreds of tanks and aircraft every day and which is supported by western industrial nations (especially by America and Great Britain) with all kinds of war material, the German Wehrmacht is doomed in the long run. From then on other powers determine the pace of events. America enters the international political stage more open. Despite its official neutrality the USA have already supported England logistically since 1940. In April 1941 american ships started the naval reconnaissance in the atlantic ocean and conveyed their findings about operational areas of German submarines to the British. In July '41 the US-Navy even took over the escort for English convoys there. Hitler forbids the German Navy to proceed against American warships because at that time the USA is officially still a neutral state. Only when Japan opened a campaign against America and thus an ally appears in military conflict, Hitler follows and declares war against the USA on 11 December 1941. As well as in World War I, the 4 large opponents stand against Germany once more and again it is the USA that give the decisive factor with their financial power, their technology, their arm industry and their troops. The surrender of the "6th army" in Stalingrad and the German Africa Korps in Tunesia, the landing of allied troops in Sicily, the invasion in Normandy, the bombing of German cities and the collapse of the army group at the eastern front indicate the long line of German defeats.
On 8 May 1945 the German Wehrmacht laid down their arms.
Warning: shocking for Anglo's and Russians, liberating for Europeans.
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Annotation of a German documentary about who is guilty for WW2. Documentary largely follows the book "Der Krieg der viele Vaeter hatte" by Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof.
Video of lecture by Gerd Schultze-Rhonhof.
Timeline video (can be read as a summary of the documentary):
1:00 – The usual painful guilt ritual performed by German politicians like Angela Merkel: ”Germany did it.”
1:40 – Sound fragment of Hitler explaining why he invaded Poland.
3:00 – Pictures from a beautiful Berlin short before outbreak of the war
3:35 – 1933, Hitler’s rise to power; end of chaotic Weimar Republic with 20 cabinets and 12 chancelors in 15 years. Millions of Germans lived in poverty. Sebastian Haffner describes general feeling as a relief of being liberated from democracy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Haffner
4:28 – Socialist state controlled/planned economy with 4 year plans. Goering responsible.
4:46 – Middle class is stimulated with orders
4:52 – Praise for the Reichsarbeitsdienst as important means in combatting unemployment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichsarbeitsdienst
5:30 – Clear improvement of economic and social conditions under the Nazi’s. Exagerated assessment of the role of the armaments industry; the economy was predominantly civil/consumerist, not military. Follows idyllic pictures of Germany under Nazi’s.
6:40 – Modest initial steps by Hitler on international stage, until he assesses that he won’t get international confidence and recognition.
7:00 – first concentration on Saarland, according to versailles allocated for 15 years to France.
7:20 - 13 Jan 1935, 90% vote for return to Germany, overruling independence or staying with France
7:49 – despite big success for Hitler on the Saarland issue, he declares that he does not want Elsas-Lotharingen back.
8:05 – Next goal: Rhineland Had been occupied by French and Belgian forces in the early twenties.
8:25 – In 1925 the demilitarization had been confirmed in Locarno. Big European powers incl. Germany agree not to allie themselves against each other
8:50 – In 1935 Locarno is gone. France starts alliance with USSR, clearly directed against Germany, thereby breaking Locarno and devalueing German-Polish Non Agression Pact.
9:25 – after the French breach of Locarno Hitler no langer felt himself bound by this treaty either an doccupied the Rhineland in 1936. Hitler’s staff had warned against this move and predicted that Paris would react. It did not.
10:20 – Back to Versailles. Agreed was the everybody would reduce forces, starting with Germany. Germany fulfills the agreement until 1927 (Reichswehr down to 100,000 and 15,000 Marines, airforce to zero). Next French, British and US were supposed to follow suite, but they did not. On the contrary, they increase defense spending instead. Requests by Germany to at least be allowed to setup an army capable of defense is rejected.
11:27 – In 1933, France and other neighbouring states are superior to Germany in military strength by a factor of 12. In the years after 1933 Hitler proposed 6 times to reduce armaments. If these attempts fail, Hitler orders to increase the size of the Reichswehr.
12:20 – Nowadays it is custom to call the Anschluss with Austria an occupation. In reality Austria had been a unit with Germany for more than 1000 years (Heiliger Roemisches Reich Deutscher Nation). After 1918 Habsburg Austria was dismantled by the allies. It was Austrian National Versammlung who after 1918 decided themselves to be united with Germany. The population in overwhelming majority voted in favour. But the allies refused to permit this from happening, despite professions of self-determination.
15:50 – German troops move into Austria, triumphant welcome by Vienna population. Anschluss was later confirmed via a plebiscite.
18:40 – A Czechoslovakia, a designer state from Versailles, that had never in history had been a state before. 6.7 millions Czechs, 3.1 million Sudeten-Germans, 2 million Slovaks, 700,000 Hungarians, 460,000 Ukrainians. In Versailles it was determined that minorities would enjoy autonomy. This was never realized. A consitution is made where minority rights are denied. Repression is the result. All important posts are occupied by Czechs.
20:20 – from may 1938 dramatic increase in attacks on Sudeten-Germans by Czechs. Calls by Sudeten-Germans for an Anschluss with Germany. When a martial law is imposed Hitler demands an Anschluss as well.
20:50 – Chamberlain travels to Munich in september 20, 1938, British, French and Germans agree that Sudeten-German lands should return to Germany.
22:30 – German Memelland was since 1918 under French supervision and illegally had been taken over by Lithuania. Seeing what had happened to Austrians and Sudeten-Germans, the people of Memel also wanted to return to the Reich. In 1939 the Lithuanian government agreed to return Memle to the Reich after Britain and France refused to guarantee Lithuanian rule.
23:40 – Poland felt threatened by these development and was fearing that similar events could happen around Danzig. Althought official governed by the Volkenbund, in reality the Poles controlled Danzig. The Poles even wanted to absorb Danzig completely into Poland.
24:15 – After 1918 Poland was not satisfied with it’s borders. Some aspired a Great-Poland. Poland continuously persued expansion of it’s army. It did in fact attack most of it’s neighbours and annexed new territory.
25:15 – After Hitler’s election victory, Pilsudski repeatedly had proposed to France for joint military action against Poland.
(see Wikipedia to get an idea of the aggressive stance of Poland; consistently tried to destroy Russia!)
25:20 – France declined and in 1934 German-Polish friendship treaty leading to a period of détente.
25:50 – Danzig 340,000 inhabitants, 97% Germans. The allies refused to let Danzig return to the Reich.
26:40 – Same situation in West-Prussia that had been allocated to Poland. East-Prussia was thereby cut-off from Germany.
27:05 – Transport problems between Germany and East-Prussia. Frustrated by the Poles. In 1936 the Poles blocked all railways. From this the idea of an exterritorial railway and autobahn was developed.
28:10 – Negotiations started between Germany and Poland. 24 October 1939 Germany proposed to recognise that West-Prussia would be recognized as Polish in return for Danzig and corridor. No Weimar government had ever proposed this. Negotiations until january 1939.
29:30 – While Germany is still negotiating, in Poland there is openly talk about war. 4 March 1939 discussion about Operation Plan West, before Hitler orders to start discussing plan Fall Weiss.
30:03 – On march 1939 had Britain and France assured Poland cooperation in case of war with Germany.
30:40 – Churchill tells Bruenig the real aim of Britain: we want to completely destroy the German economy.[check this in Buchanan]
31:20 – May15, 1939, French high commander assures the Poles that in case of a war, the French army would attack Germany with it’s full weight. Warsaw believed this and it encouraged the Poles greatly not to engage in negotiations. The Germans repreated their position until April without threats or talk of war.
32:50 –Pogroms start in Poland against minorities. Thousands of Germans get deported. In July and August Germans flee from Poland to Germany, thereby risking their lives. Shortly before the war 80,000 Germans are in refugee camps.
33:55 – Germany explains Britain and France that the situation is untenable. The position of the German minorities is now the most pressing issue. After 5 proposals Hitler decides duringt the spring of 1939 that war against Poland is an option. Mobilization of several army divisions.
34:45 – In the USSR meanwhile it’s leaders are still dreaming of conquering the world. Stalin still believes in Lenin’s doctrine of war in Europe. No longer is Stalin putting his bets on communist parties in Western Europe but instead of revolutionary opportunities from outside.
35:35 – For this purpose Stalin morphs his army into a force designed to attack. The develop0ment of this army is realised at enormous costs for the Soviet population (like selling grain abroad to acquire funds for the buying of military technology). In the Ukraine alone 5 million people die because of the famine as a consequence of this policy.
36:45 – In 1934 the USSR has more tanks than all other European countries combined.
37:00 – in 1941 the total number is 24,000 tanks.
37:05 - Stalin’s strategy was based on a plan by Michael Tukhachevsky, advocating a Blitz into the territory of the opponent with tanks and planes.
37:50 - A typical example is the tank BT designed for a well developed road system like in Europe.
38:10 – in August 1939 French and British delegations arrive in Moscow to negotiate with Moscow about a war against Germany. Stalin plays on time, he has plans of his own and peace are no part of it. He is looking for war in Europe and this determines his choice of allies.
38:45 – Hitler wants an alliance with Stalin in order to be able to attack Poland. He is foolishly convinced that a pact with Russia will discourage Britain and France from war with Germany.
39:05 – Stalin is convinced that a German attack on Poland will trigger a war of Britain and France against Germany. In that case the conditions described by Lenin’s doctrine would be realized.
39:35 – Germany offers Stalin a non agression pact and a division of spheres of influence in Eastern Europe. Stalin accepts.
40:45 - August 19, 1939, secret meeting polit bureau. Stalin justifies his pact with Hitler as a means of initiating a war in Europe between Germany and Britain/France, while Russia can wait.
" The question of peace or war has reached its critical phase. The solution depends entirely on the position the soviet union will take. We are absolutely convinced, that if we sign a treaty of assistance with France and England, Germany will see herself forced to shy back from Poland and to look for a mode vivendi with the western powers. This way, a war could be avoided. On the other hand, if we accept germany´s proposals- which you know- namely to sign a non aggresion treaty, then germany will attack poland for sure and the intervention of england and france becomes unavoidable. Under these circumstances we have great chances to stay out of the conflict and can tensely wait for our time. It is decisive for us, that this war lasts as long as possible- until the exhaustment of both sides. Thats exactly what is in our interest."
41:20 - The pact is signed on August 23.
41:40 - Despite this, Hitler keeps negotiating with the Poles and asks Britain for mediation and offers Britain an assistance and friendship treaty and support for it’s empire.
42:25 – Britain evades the offer, presses Poles to negotiate but tells them that they should not give in to consessions.
43:15 – Of historical importance is that Roosevelt was aware of the agreement between Germany and Russia about dividing Poland, he does not inform Poland about this. If Poland would have known this they no doubt would have give in to reasonable German demands concerning Danzig.
43:53 – August 30, final offer from Hitler to Poland: Danzig as the final territorial demand in return for Polands post-Versailles territorial gains (West-Prussia) and plesbicite among people living in the corridor if they want to be part of Poland or Germany.
45:00 – Poland refuses.
45:30 – The infamous Hitler quote "I am just afraid, that in the last moment some swinehund (Schweinehund) comes across with an intermediate proposal" is a falsification produced in Nuremberg.
46:08 – September 1, Wehrmacht advances to start invasion.
47:25 – September 3, Britain and France declare war on Germany.
48:00 – Revenge against Polish Germans; 5000 killed, 1000 of them in bromberg.
48:45 – September 4, British airplanes attack German ships.
49:10 - A day later German U-boats and British ships lash in the Atlantic. Both parties sink ships. Germany attempts to keep France out of the war.
49:55 – British troops go ashore in France. France mobilizes 80 divisions, a giant force, between North-Sea and Switzerland. Germany has just 11 divisions in opposition.
50:20 – Nevertheless no French assault.
50:30 – Rapid advance of German troops in Poland.
51:50 – Stalin is surprised by the spee of the German invasion. On September 17, Russia invades from the east to secure it’s part of the deal with Hitler. Britain and France demand Russia to withdraw and threaten to declare war. It remains an empty threat.
52:48 – Instead, 4 weeks later, Britain and France turn to Moscow to persuade Stalin to join them in a war against Germany.
53:02 – Ultimatum against Warsaw, the last remaining hold out of the Poles. Poles refuse. On September 26, the assault starts; 24 hours later Warsaw surrenders. 40,000 people killed in total.
54:35 – Hitler proposes peace to Britain and France and offers to withdraw from Polish territories except for the corridor. They refuse because their goal was not to save Poland but to destroy Germany.
55:05 – Nothing happens on French-German border. On North-Sea and Atlantic clashes between Germany and Britain do occur.
56:30 – Without declaration of war USSR attacks Finland on November 1939. Finland surrenders in March 12, 1940.[911I: Obivously no protest from the side of Britain/France]
57:15 – For the German armaments industry Swedish iron ore shipped via Narvik/Norway, is of vital importance. On March 2nd and April 6th the German government again offers peace to Britain/France and a withdrawal from Poland.
57:35 – As a response Britain starts to mine Norwegian waters.
57:48 – On April 9th British, French and Germans troops attack Narvik at the same day. After weeks of fighting the Germans occupy entire Norway.
58:40 – Still quiet on the German-French front but Britain deploys troops in Northern France.
58:50 – May 10, 1940, Britain invades neutral Iceland.
59:00 – On the same day Germany attacks France in reaction to continued allied troops deployment along the same pattern as in 1914.
59:35 – France is beaten in 6 weeks. Blitzkrieg.
1:02:40 – Hitler let’s the British expedition force escape from Dunkerque.
1:03:05 – Italy declares war on France (after it was already beaten).
1:03:35 – Meanwhile Russia occupies the Baltics and parts of Rumania. Stalin breaks non-agression pacts with all 6 neighbouring states. Not a peep from the Western powers. They still hope to win Stalin as an allie against Germany.
1:04:35 - July 19, 1940, after the fall of France, Hitler offers Britain another peace offer. Again rejected. Air war starts. August 13, British accupy Egypt.
1:05:40 – In September 1940 the officially neutral USA deliveres 50 destroyers to Britain.
1:05:50 – September 1, 1940, conscription in Russia. Millions new recrutes under arms. German secret service presents Hitler document concerning meeting Supreme Soviet of August 2, where it is stated that an attack from the West needs to be pre-empted.
1:06:25 – Romanian president asks for help with Hitler against possible Soviet attack. Hitler sends troops to secure oil fields of Ploesti.
1:06:48 – Despite the desperate British military situation, in the Foreign Office there is amazement about the fact that until November 1940 more than 2 dozen peace offers were made. They arrived at the British government through several distinct channels: the swedish industrial Dahlerus, the former chancellor of the Reich Franz von Papen, the Vatican, the King of Sweden, the Finish premier minister, the King of Spain, Dr. Ludwig Weissauer and Dr. Joseph Goebbels. Curchill is playing for time and hopes he can draw the USSR and USA into the war.
1:08:15 – Sir Robert van Sittart as the chef ideologue of the British Government; his credo as a guideline for diplomats: "The German Reich is the enemy, not just Nazism, and those who have not yet learned this lesson have learned nothing whatsoever. All possibility of compromise has now gone and it is going to be a fight until the end and a bitter end. We have enough of Dahlerus, Goerdeler, Weissauer and company."
1:09:20 – November 12, 1940, Molotov travels to Berlin with new Soviet territorial demands. Molotov seeks a security zone in the West. These demands equate an encirclement of the Reich and Hilter refuses. This is the moment Hitler decides that he must attack Russia in order to preempt the plans of Stalin.
1:10:25 – an entry of the diary of Goebbels support the thesis of a pre-emptive war. Goebbels cites Hitler as follows: "We have to act; Moscow will stay out of the war untill Europe is exhausted and bleading to death. Next Stalin will act, bolshevize Europe and take over his rule over Europe. We will put a spoke in his wheel. Russia will attack us when we become weak and then we had the 2-front war, which I will avoid by this pre-emptive action."
1:11:40 – Italy invades Greece and Yugoslavia, grossly overestimating it’s own strength. End’s in desaster. Between October 1940 and January 1941 the English oppose the Italians in Europe and Africa. Mussolini is forced to ask Hitler for help. Hitler forced to help his ally on the Balkans and Africa. Yugoslavia is taken in 11 days and Greece in 3 weeks. The Germans under Rommel push back the English to the Libian border in 2 months.
1:13:20 – Italy is saved but the price is high. The German fronts are getting ever more overextended. And a new war is looming in the east as well.
1:14:00 - May 5, 1941, Stalin finally drops his mask. Speech in the Frunze military academy in Moscow. "Now, that we have supplied our army sufficiently with modern technology for the battle, we have to switch from defense to attack. The wars with Poland and Finland were no wars of defense, we already have entered the path of offensive politics- the Red Army is a modern army, and a modern army is an attack army."
1:14:40 – Russian military expenditure is 43% of the entire state budget. Just one day before, the politbureau ordered the construction of 20 new, and the development of 231 already existing airplane runways, which generally were no farther situated than 100km away from the soviet german border. On May 15th, Georgi Shukov, Chairman of the Joined Chiefs of Staff of the Red Army, informs Stalin on the newest developments on the German-Russian border, and says: "There is the possibility, that Germany anticipates us with regard to deployment, and brings a surprise plan into action".
1:15:40 – Hitler knows very well about the Russian mobilization and advances. Already om May 14, Hitler informs his generals about military developments in Russia, like the large number of airstrips near the border which Hitler interprets as signs of an immanent invasion.
1:16:16 – Hitler orders an attack to prevent becoming attacked himself first. When the Germans invade on June 22, 1941, they meet the largest invasion army in the history of mankind. 6 Million soldiers, 25,000 tanks and 19,000 airplanes were gathered to invade Western Europe. The Red Army initially is paralysed by the German surprise attack. 2 million Russian soldiers become POW during the first months of the war. Hitler, unlike his generals, was sceptical from the start that Russia would implode soon. Hitler: "that the soviet union is to me as eerie as the ghost ship in the flying dutchman".
1:18:20 – The new russian tank T34, in it´s robustness and weaponry superiour to any german modell, causes bother in the german frontlines. It’s armor of up to 7cm vitually made it invincible. The consequences were rapidly felt: In a short timespan the German tank divisions reported a loss of 20% of it’s equipment.
1:18:50 – The results were 86,000 deaths, 290,000 wounded and 20,000 MIA. A lot of losses were caused by partisans. The partisans fought with extraordinary cruelty against the landsers. Their encroachments made no distinction between doctors, medical personell, soldiers and wounded. In all sections of the front captured landsers were discovered, who were murdered with their arms tied to their backs. The documents on those cases of partisan cruelties, prepared by a wehrmacht examination center,which in the same accurate manner reported on german crimes aswell, talk volumes. However till this day not a single case is on the records, that would account for german soldiers maiming prissoners of war physically.
1:20:15 - The execution of Soviet partisans is a controversial issue. Partisans, no matter in which country, violate Article 1 of the The Hague Land Warfare Convention that declares with 4 criterias the group who is competent to legitimate warfare. Therefore executions of Partisans were not in contradiction to the international law and were also executed by the Allies in Germany. It is historically interesting that Lenin cancelled this agreement which was appointed 1907 in the Hague Land Warfare Convention as a basis for future wars. The Geneva Convention of 1929, in which the treatment of prisoners is regulated according to international law, the USSR did not even join. As a result the guidelines of the convention were not in the training schedule of the Red Army. So according to international law the Soviet Union was outside the community of states.
1:21:19 - In the far north the attack of the German / Finnish troops came to a deadlock in mid-September. Again and again Lieutenant-General Dietel, who led the operation of the so called "Lapland Army", vainly tried to conquer the railroad from Murmansk to Leningrad. He wanted to stop the onward movement of arriving American arms deliveries to the Soviet Union. Murmansk was the only port in the Soviet Arctic circle that is ice-free all year round. Last offshoots of the Gulf Stream avert a freezing even at air temperatures of minus 50 degrees. The war in the nordic forests cause greatest difficulties to the Germans. The brunt of battles was literally borne by the shoulders of the infantry because heavy equipment was hardly useable. Considering the rough terrain and the supply problems involved, never more than 2 german divisions were operating at the front of Lapland. So larger military advances were impossible, the fight was determined by commando raids and smaller missions- a war in secret. When the German offensive against Murmansk was halted on 14 October more than 2600 dead and missing people as well as 8000 wounded were mourned on the German side. Ports and railroads remained in Stalins hand during the entire war. Via Murmansk the Americans supplied the Red Army with more than 3000 aircraft, 4000 tanks, hundreds of thousands of vehicles and vast amounts of ammunition, equipment and food in 1941 only.
1:23:14 - Mid-September 1941 it started to rain in the centre section of the eastern front. On 19 September, the 6th army conquered Kiev, the capital of Ukrainian Sovietrepublik. The battle in the area of Kiev became a fiasco for the Soviet side. More than 660,000 Red Army soldiers were taken prisoner. 2 October 1941, 5:30 clock, beginning of operation "Typhoon". Northeast of Smolensk the "army group center" under Field Marshal Fedor von Bock launched an offensive with 2000 tanks against Moscow. The first messages promised a great success, Guderian's armored corps reached Orell, conquered the city, and turned to the north. Units of the "second army" came across northeastern of Bryansk, turned south, and become merged with the armored units of the "third and fourth army", which circuit the "Viasma", in the rear of Soviet defense forces. 55 divisions of the Red Army were sitting in a huge trap, of which there was no escape. While the encircled Soviet troops were worn out, the "fourth and ninth army" pushed further in the direction of Moscow.
The result of the offensive was devastating for the Red Army: till mid - October approximately 670,000 men were taken in captivity. At the same time the "army group south" of von Rundstedt defeated the "18th Soviet army" near the Azov Sea, and captured another 100,000 men. Numbers that pose major problems to the armed forces. Especially in winter 1941-42, hundreds of thousands of prisoners starved. Reason for this was the collapse of the german logistics which caused catastrophic supply shortfalls.
1:25:40 - Jointly responsible for this tragedy was also Stalin's policy of scourged earth. According to his order of November 17, all settlements along the approach roads to a depth of 40 - 60 and a width of 20 to 30 kilometers were destroyed. So infrastructure was destroyed - friend and enemy doomed. This destructions were conducted on the explicit command of Stalin by Soviet chase commands in German loot uniforms, which had to make sure to leave survivors of their actions, so that they later could report on the "German" atrocities. In this way, the hate against the German occupation armies increased.
1:27:00 - On 9 October when Goebels suggested a wool collection campaign to the Chief of Army Staff, General Alfred Jodel, to help the front in order of the coming winter, the General answered him:
Jodel: "In winter? At that time we sit in the warm quarters of Leningrad and Moscow. Let that be only our concern. We have finally and without exaggeration, won this war." A few days later the first snowflakes fell on the eastern front -The beginning of the end of the snowstorms; nightly frost and thaw on the day transformed the streets into bottomless morass. Within a few weeks the german eastern army lost about 1/3 of its 500,000 vehicles. On 16 October the temperature dropped to 8 degrees below zero, a strong winter had a firm grip over Russia. To think about long-range movements was not possible. Most of the troops were fighting without winter clothing, at some fronts more soldiers fail by frostbite than by war-related injuries. The supply of essential goods collapsed. Railroads could not ride because the boiler were damaged in consequence of inadequate frost protection. The aircraft fell also victim to the icy temperatures. The pilots, who destroyed in 180,000 missions over 15,000 enemy aircraft, 3,200 tanks, 2,400 guns and 58,000 further vehicles in the past 6 months, could not start their machines because the oil in the motors froze.
On 23 October the Wehmachts-report announced: "Despite difficult weather conditions, the outer defensive position of the soviet capital was broken across a broad front in the recent days. Here and there our spearheads have attacked up to 60km to Moscow."
Despite all the discomforts german units continued fighting, conquered Kharkoff and forced access to the Crimea. In early november Kursk and Feo-Dosia on the Black Sea coast fell in german hand. The number of fallen Germans had increased to 150,000 men. The capture of Rostov on Don by "army group south" on 21 November was estimated in the Wehrmacht report as "important for the continuation of war." There was no talk about a fast victory anymore.
1:29:45 - On Nov 29, 1941 when the German Minister of Munitions, Fritz Todt confided in a conversation with Hitler that the war, in view of the armaments of the enemy, could no longer be won militarily, he asks him: “How am I supposed to end this war? Hardly I don’t see any way to come to an political end." At this moment Hitler understood that he is trapped and there is no possibility to escape. A bit later Stalin strikes. Against his huge war machine which produces hundreds of tanks and aircraft every day and which is supported by western industrial nations (especially by America and Great Britain) with all kinds of war material, the German Wehrmacht is doomed in the long run. From then on other powers determine the pace of events. America enters the international political stage more open. Despite its official neutrality the USA have already supported England logistically since 1940. In April 1941 american ships started the naval reconnaissance in the atlantic ocean and conveyed their findings about operational areas of German submarines to the British. In July '41 the US-Navy even took over the escort for English convoys there. Hitler forbids the German Navy to proceed against American warships because at that time the USA is officially still a neutral state. Only when Japan opened a campaign against America and thus an ally appears in military conflict, Hitler follows and declares war against the USA on 11 December 1941. As well as in World War I, the 4 large opponents stand against Germany once more and again it is the USA that give the decisive factor with their financial power, their technology, their arm industry and their troops. The surrender of the "6th army" in Stalingrad and the German Africa Korps in Tunesia, the landing of allied troops in Sicily, the invasion in Normandy, the bombing of German cities and the collapse of the army group at the eastern front indicate the long line of German defeats.
On 8 May 1945 the German Wehrmacht laid down their arms.
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Gawdzilla Sama
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Social worker seen that?
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It is a lot of work indeed, but that video is the beginning of your demise.
So it is worth it.
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People have been trying to kill me since 1969. Better people than you by a long shot.
Face it, being rejected by the Vienna Academy of Fine Arts isn't the end of your life. Heck, you could go into politics.
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Why would lies and distortions be shocking or liberating?
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I have bigger fish to fry than killing a cartoon character.
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Fry cook? There you go! A few years training and you'll be in charge of the deep fat fryer. Repeat after me: "Do you want fries with that?"
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... I thought the demise had already started. You seem confused.
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This honour remark refered to the situation in 1940 when the war had not yet turned poisonous. The Germans treated the enemy death's with respect. Compare that behaviour with that of the All-lies, they prefered hanging of their enemies, the most humiliating death there is (they did it with Saddam as well, their former friend nota bene).
So Sword_of_Truth (what a ridiculous pretentious nick) complains about a minor incident that happened at the end of the war. What he does not mention is that Canadians and Americans by that time had committed far, far greater war crimes by bombing and killing hundreds of thousands of civilians.
And for Christ sake, what had Germany done to Canada to deserve to be bombed by them?
And when I do a little search on the topic, OMG:
Source.
So even these little incidents are not true, another indication that everything about you folks is one big vicious lie. The Americans produced a little Kathyn of themselves in the sense that the Germans were accused of a crime they did not commit. How can you live with yourselves? From scenes like these it is very easy to understand that Allied lowlifes faked the H-word story in Nuremberg.
And have you read the summary I made? Do you understand that everything about the wars has been turned into it's opposite? That the real guilty parties are the allies (all-lies)?
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Yes you have done a little research. You read David Irving. How did the american POWs die in a firefight? They didn't have any weapons as they were POWs and were all shot with an MG-34. David Irving is a proven liar who forgot to mention this. Testimony from the survivors was taken hours after the massacre. All the accounts were similar and corroborated each others, though the men had no opportunity to discuss the events
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Since when do POWs carry weapons?
Irving refers to a fire fight.
*Newsflash* - never ever walk in front of a MG. Tell that your guys next time they invade some booky-wooky country.
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New fascinating story regarding the British Norway invasion fiasco, that cost Chamberlain his job!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11095570
The British invasion plans were stolen and handed over to the Germans!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/26/glamourous-ballerina-was-_n_695533.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11095570
The British invasion plans were stolen and handed over to the Germans!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/26/glamourous-ballerina-was-_n_695533.html
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What "invasion plans?"New fascinating story regarding the British Norway invasion fiasco, that cost Chamberlain his job!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11095570
The British invasion plans were stolen and handed over to the Germans!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/26/glamourous-ballerina-was-_n_695533.html
If you want to start a discussion about which side had better intelligence, as in espionage and counter-espionage (let's not start another arguement), I think you will find that the English Double Cross System played the Abwehr for fools on many more occassions.
See Operations Quicksilver, Crossbow and Fortitude. As well as the work of agents such as Garbo and Brutus.
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