Who in Authority Will Stand Up for Canadians?

[Andy_Ross]

In the UK the Corus Works on Teesside Cast Products Division was recently Mothballed and put up for sale. It has been purcheased by SSI in Thailand to supply all their steel.

Sahaviriya Steel Industries — was set up 20 years ago as Thailand’s first maker of hot-rolled coil steel, which is crucial in the making of consumer goods. It is now Thailand’s largest steel producer. Redcar is an integrated steel plant, it has Europes largest blast furnace, Basic Oxygen steel making furnaces and Steel Slab making plant and is on the banks of the Tees estuary with its own deep water berths for Bulk ore and coal imports and steel exports.

Corus an Anglo Dutch company sold all their steelmaking plant in the UK to Tata in India for £6.7 billion at the height of the steel boom a few years ago but the slump saw Redcar lose it's largest customer and Italian consortium that was taking more than 70% of its product.

When it announced the closure Tata put the whole plant into 'Hibernation' keeping the furnaces and Coke ovens lit to preserve the linings.

If the furnaces go cold the brick lining contracts and collapses.
When a new lining is put in expansion is allowed for by packing the refractory bricks with wood which burns away as the furnace heats up and allows the bricks to expand and become self supporting.

 

[WildCat]

all resouyrces and production should be nationalized.

Yes, that has worked out so well in the other places it's been tried.

 

[WildCat]

weird...no canadians died when we owned petro canada.

So "all resources and production" is Petro Canada? Nothing else up there?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Let's be fair. It might work out if they can find and appoint people who aren't Part...


Right, OK, that's going into my fiction setting. Where it can only work.

 

[WildCat]

Let's be fair. It might work out if they can find and appoint people who aren't Part...


Right, OK, that's going into my fiction setting. Where it can only work.

Why do you hate Canada Rika?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Because I don't live there

 

[D'rok]

So "all resources and production" is Petro Canada? Nothing else up there?

Maple Syrup. Hockey. Beavers.

KEEP YOUR DAMN HANDS OFF OUR BEAVERS!

 

[drkitten]

all resouyrces and production should be nationalized.
now, how about answering my question?

I did answer your question. There is nothing that a non-tyrannical government could do to a foreign company about the disposition of its own private property. Or a domestic company, for that matter.

 

[Beerina]

IIRC, the US steel industry produces as much as it did in the '70s, but with 1/3 the workers. Maybe they're not cutting competition as much as just continuing the reduction of jobs.

 

[Andy_Ross]

Corus redcar found a new owner because it produces a good product at a good price and has good productivity. It go into trouble last year because it was relying too much on one customer. Now it is completely owned by its customer.

I wonder how that will work out?

 

[rustypouch]

Maple Syrup. Hockey. Beavers.

KEEP YOUR DAMN HANDS OFF OUR BEAVERS!

Don't forget about the meese. Umm... I mean moose.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

weird...no canadians died when we owned petro canada.

This, like nearly everything you post, isn't true either.

P.E.T.R.O.-Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau Rips Off Canada) was spawned by the liberal governments disastrous National Energy Plan. Essentially a massive tax-grab aimed directly at Albertas booming oil industry in the late 70's/early 80's, it's effect on the Alberta economy was devastating.

As is common with economic downturns, there was a spike in the suicide rate in Alberta following the NEP's implementation. A friend of my fathers even blew himself up with a pipe-bomb in his car in an attempt to make it look like a car accident and get his wife and kids the insurance money after his oil-field supply company failed.

So yes, Canadians died because of Petro-Can.

 

[D'rok]

This, like nearly everything you post, isn't true either.

P.E.T.R.O.-Canada (Pierre Elliot Trudeau Rips Off Canada) was spawned by the liberal governments disastrous National Energy Plan. Essentially a massive tax-grab aimed directly at Albertas booming oil industry in the late 70's/early 80's, it's effect on the Alberta economy was devastating.

As is common with economic downturns, there was a spike in the suicide rate in Alberta following the NEP's implementation. A friend of my fathers even blew himself up with a pipe-bomb in his car in an attempt to make it look like a car accident and get his wife and kids the insurance money after his oil-field supply company failed.

So yes, Canadians died because of Petro-Can.

Oh good grief.

Albertan here. This is way over the top SOT. And factually innaccurate. Petro-Canada - 1973. NEP - 1980. I suppose you can argue that both were part of Trudeau's broader policy agenda. But Petro-Canada did not cause the oil bust in Alberta.

"Petro-Canada killed my Dad's friend!" Give me a break, Weibo.

 

[bikerdruid]

Oh good grief.

Albertan here. This is way over the top SOT. And factually innaccurate. Petro-Canada - 1973. NEP - 1980. I suppose you can argue that both were part of Trudeau's broader policy agenda. But Petro-Canada did not cause the oil bust in Alberta.

"Petro-Canada killed my Dad's friend!" Give me a break, Weibo.

wow....who knew that a government owned corporation, that actually made money for canadians, was so evil??
i live in alberta too.
i dealt only with petro can because at least my petrol dollars stayed in canada rather than making fatcat americans richer on our resource.

 

[D'rok]

wow....who knew that a government owned corporation, that actually made money for canadians, was so evil??
i live in alberta too.
i dealt only with petro can because at least my petrol dollars stayed in canada rather than making fatcat americans richer on our resource.

I'm not pro-nationalization of industry. I think Alberta benefits more when it is open for international business, even though my heart still misses the old Petro-Canada.

(I don't live in Alberta anymore, but it's still home.)

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

And factually innaccurate. Petro-Canada - 1973. NEP - 1980.

Damn, you're right. Shoulda looked that up before shooting my trap off.

Give me a break, Weibo.

I almost met him once. I abandoned the SoCreds when internal squabbles derailed their brief resurgence back in the 1990s. Wiebo showed up a short time later putting himself up as a candidate for party leader.

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

wow....who knew that a government owned corporation, that actually made money for canadians, was so evil??

You mean like Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd.? The designers of the four ACR-1000 reactors that are going to be built near Peace River?

 

[D'rok]

I almost met him once. I abandoned the SoCreds when internal squabbles derailed their brief resurgence back in the 1990s. Wiebo showed up a short time later putting himself up as a candidate for party leader.

I remember those days. Alberta politics are always good times.

 

[D'rok]

You mean like Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd.? The designers of the four ACR-1000 reactors that are going to be built near Peace River?

And about bloody time, too. Alberta desperately needs to get off of coal.

 

[CORed]

no...you need to learn a little real history.
lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.
stalin was not a marxist. his practises, in no way, reflect marxist theory.

yes, my link is to the canadian marxist-leninist party page.
stalin is clearly condemned by all rational marxists.

You are right. Stalin's practices in no way reflect marxist theory. The reason for that is that marxist theory is a utopian pipe dream that has yet work in the real world. Stalin had to reconcile marxist theory with the realities of human nature. He chose to do so by becoming a murdering thug dictator.

Curiously, everyone else who has tried to operate a "marxist" state has ended up choosing similar methods. If there is any way to make marxist theory work in the real world other than using brute force (which I strongly doubt), nobody has found it yet. The Chinese mix of Leninist style one party rule and a capitalist economy seems to work, at least in terms of building a strong economy, but at the expense of a severe lack of civil liberties.