Who in Authority Will Stand Up for Canadians?

[D'rok]

Ignatieff?

 

[theprestige]

Steel mills? Bah! I'm still butthurt about the Canadian government's obscene negligence in allowing the Canadian buggy whip manufacturing industry to fail!

 

[Doubt]

Steel mills? Bah! I'm still butthurt about the Canadian government's obscene negligence in allowing the Canadian buggy whip manufacturing industry to fail!

In fairness, there is still a demand for steel and will be for a very long time. But the integrated mill, which produces steel from ore, is in decline. The mini mill, which is a recycling operation, is a safer bet for future investment. Although at least a few integrated mills will be needed to keep scrap prices from climbing to high.

Both types will survive, but trying to have a government protect an old mill that is not commercially viable would be like Canada hanging a mill stone around it's neck and then complaining about the weight. Better to either find a buyer who can run it at a profit or encourage private investment in one or more new mini mills.

 

[HeyLeroy]

Ignatieff?

Thanks; 'scuse me while I sponge off my monitor.

 

[Puppycow]

http://cpcml.ca/Tmld2010/D40174.htm#1

The Marxist-Leninist Daily?
Duuuuude! Those are commies!

By banking the blast furnace at Hamilton Works, U.S. Steel has attacked the community of Hamilton, the Canadian economy and Stelco steelworkers.

That's an odd kind of attack, isn't it? If investing in industry and jobs is an "attack" on a local community, then I only hope that my community gets "attacked" in the same way.

The position and actions of the Harper government not only prove it is unfit to rule but that Canadians are confronted with a serious problem of an important institution of the state acting on behalf of a foreign power and refusing to use its sovereign authority to defend its people.

How is a steel mill "an important institution of the state"? Oh, yeah, these are Marxist-Leninists, that's why. This system has been tried in the former Soviet Union of course. Don't think it should be repeated.

 

[OlegTheBatty]

I don't blame the feds for keeping their noses out of this. It was tried once before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sydney_Steel
the provincial government's 1-year temporary commitment to transitioning ownership of the steel mill from DOSCO turned into a 33-year commitment, adding over $1 billion to the cash-strapped province's debt.

(BTW, US Steel isn't 'investing in Hamilton', they are de-investing.)

 

[Puppycow]

stalin, for example, was not a communist.

I think you need to read up on communism a bit.

This newspaper/website calls itself the Marxist-Leninist Daily.

According to G. Lisichkin, Marxism–Leninism as a separate ideology was compiled by Stalin basically in his "The questions of Leninism" book[1]. During the period of Stalin's rule in the Soviet Union, Marxism–Leninism was proclaimed the official ideology of the state [2].

The term "Marxism–Leninism" is most often used by those who believe that Lenin's legacy was successfully carried forward by Joseph Stalin (Stalinists).

 

[bikerdruid]

I think you need to read up on communism a bit.

This newspaper/website calls itself the Marxist-Leninist Daily.

no...you need to learn a little real history.
lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.
stalin was not a marxist. his practises, in no way, reflect marxist theory.

yes, my link is to the canadian marxist-leninist party page.
stalin is clearly condemned by all rational marxists.

 

[Puppycow]

(BTW, US Steel isn't 'investing in Hamilton', they are de-investing.)

So Canadians are free to buy back the mill and reopen it. I wonder why nobody wants to?

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

You should watch your fallacies

 

[Puppycow]

no...you need to learn a little real history.
lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.
stalin was not a marxist. his practises, in no way, reflect marxist theory.

yes, my link is to the canadian marxist-leninist party page.
stalin is clearly condemned by all rational marxists.

Uh, sorry dude. I provided links to evidence to back up what I wrote. You just made a bald assertion.

ETA: Can you even provide evidence that the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist–Leninist) condemns Stalin?

 

[Fnord]

we were a major player, before we sold off all of out steel production to foreign interests. that should never have happened.

Buy them back.

Oh ... right ... this is Canada we're talking about ... if they could've, they already would've, eh?

Poor, poor Canada ... used, abused, and tossed aside like a cheap prom date.

 

[Puppycow]

You should watch your fallacies

Who is this addressed to?

 

[Sword_Of_Truth]

no...you need to learn a little real history.

Says the guy who posts links to 9/11 truthers and Holocaust deniers.

lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.

More than 4 million people died under the rule of Vladimir Ilyich Ulanov Lenin.

Stalin merely exceeded his teacher.

 

[Doubt]

I would like to know how banking a furnace equals attacking anyone. If they wanted to disable the furnace, all they had to do is shut it down and not bank it. That would destroy the lining. But no, they banked it, which means they are protecting it.

 

[Puppycow]

http://cpcml.ca/Tmld2010/D40174.htm#1

stalin, for example, was not a communist.

Or apparently, a true scotsman.

Sorry, but when every political leader who calls themselves a communist follows in Stalin's footsteps, I think it's more than fair to say that yes, Stalin is a communist. I don't care if he didn't match your vision of what communism could be in some fantasy land, he's exactly what communism turns out to be every time it's actually tried.

Stalin was a commie. You can't disown him from communism.

no...you need to learn a little real history.
lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.
stalin was not a marxist. his practises, in no way, reflect marxist theory.

yes, my link is to the canadian marxist-leninist party page.
stalin is clearly condemned by all rational marxists.

Out of curiosity, I did a little reading on the political party linked to by the OP to see if they indeed condemn Stalin. BTW, this is the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist–Leninist), not to be confused with the Communist Party of Canada. According to Wikipedia, this party is "anti-revisionist." In communist parlance, that means pro-Stalin, anti-Trotsky.

Hardial Bains founded the Internationalists at the University of British Columbia on March 13, 1963.[1] Bains had sided with the People's Republic of China in the emerging Sino-Soviet split, a view contrary to that of the Communist Party of Canada, and on that basis decided to work towards the formation of an anti-revisionist Party in Canada.

The Internationalists were initially a Maoist student group but, as a result of their growth, they declared themselves a formal political party on March 31, 1970, and adopted the name "Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist)".
. . .
The ideological trajectory of CPC-ML changed from Maoism and support for the People's Republic of China against what it saw as the revisionist (or Khrushchevite) Soviet Union, to later siding with Albania during the Sino-Albanian split that came two years after the death of Mao Zedong. CPC-ML reoriented itself as an anti-revisionist party upholding the legacy of Enver Hoxha and the Party of Labour of Albania until the collapse of the Communist Albania in 1992.

In the Marxist-Leninist movement, anti-revisionism refers to a doctrine which upholds the line of theory and practice associated with Marx-Engels-Lenin-Stalin, and usually either Mao or Hoxha as well. It is stated in such a way as to show direct opposition to the Marx-Engels-Lenin-Trotsky line of Trotskyism. Anti-revisionists claim that the Soviet Union under Stalin's leadership represented the final correct and successful practical implementation of the scientific socialist ideas of Marx, Engels and Lenin in the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR).

 

[KoihimeNakamura]

Puppycow: OP. IIRC, while Stalin was not a true communist, he was the major proponent of the most well known form of "communism"

 

[stilicho]

weird...no canadians died when we owned petro canada.
stalin, for example, was not a communist.

Petro-Canada was a complete misallocation of capital, labour, and resources. Where in the world did you get the idea that it did anything other than make Canada poorer?

Petro-Canada and petroleum industry interference was an idea conceived as profitability in the sector soared. When reality set in and prices inevitably fell, we were left with (yet another) white elephant with enormous fixed costs to be borne by you and me--the taxpayers.

As long as prices always climb and profitability is high then nationalisation makes sense--in a way. But direct taxation is a much better solution since success is based on a general economic health rather than diving in to whatever the profitmaker-of-the-week happens to be.

 

[stilicho]

Out of curiosity, I did a little reading on the political party linked to by the OP to see if they indeed condemn Stalin. BTW, this is the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist–Leninist), not to be confused with the Communist Party of Canada. According to Wikipedia, this party is "anti-revisionist." In communist parlance, that means pro-Stalin, anti-Trotsky.

It's all a bit too much like an episode of Black Adder for my liking. Or maybe Red Dwarf.

 

[Damien Evans]

no...you need to learn a little real history.
lenin wrote very clearly about the danger of revisionism of marxist theory.
stalin was not a marxist. his practises, in no way, reflect marxist theory.

yes, my link is to the canadian marxist-leninist party page.
stalin is clearly condemned by all rational marxists.

There's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.