Who Disrespects NYPD & NYFD

[Gravy]

I know you like to try and reexplain for them what witnesses said they saw.

Did Mr. Rodriguize respond to your efforts to tell him what he actually experienced?

Don't be childish. As you know, because I told you and linked to the accounts, I spoke with William Rodriguez, compiled all the other accounts I could find, and did the calculations for sound propagation in steel and air, based on the atmospheric conditions that day. Rodriguez is the only one who thinks that a bomb went off before the plane impact. Everyone else agrees that the damage was caused by the explosion in the elevator shaft. That explosion was caused by jet fuel. Do you have a rebuttal, Russell?

Initial impression is important. Do you know where the other firefighters were located that didn't mention these things?

Yes. Every single one. Know why? Because I took the time to research it.

Were they in the same proximity as the ones who did?

The same proximity? They were all either in the north tower, the Marriott, or outside the buildings.

Why don't you guys respond to evidence?

Why haven't you all brought up all of the documnetation I am finding before in your "fair" investigation?

Are you joking? The difference, Russell, is that we're able to put the information in context, whereas you simply let your imagination run with it. Please stop doing that. You are not making sense. You are not able to back your claims. You constantly argue from incredulity and cherry-pick data. Why?

 

[jessicarabbit]

I have provided the calculations for you gravy.

 

[WildCat]

707 weight 152727kg

767 weight 156489kg

[SIZE=+1]1 mph = 0.44704 meters per second[/SIZE]

expected KE= 0.5 x 152727 x 268.224 squared = 5493904362 Joules

actual KE= 0.5 x 156489 x 214.579 squared = 3602704636 Joules

You may want to double-check your assumptions...

 

[jessicarabbit]

You may want to double-check your assumptions...

What assumptions?

 

[WildCat]

Please present your evidence that 9/11 was not a conspiracy.

It is up to those making the positive claim to prove it, not the other way around.

 

[WildCat]

What assumptions?

Air speed.

 

[jessicarabbit]

Air speed.

Im using the figures quoted. How should I adjust the figures in your opinion?

 

[Gravy]

707 weight 152727kg

767 weight 156489kg

[SIZE=+1]1 mph = 0.44704 meters per second[/SIZE]

expected KE= 0.5 x 152727 x 268.224 squared = 5493904362 Joules

actual KE= 0.5 x 156489 x 214.579 squared = 3602704636 Joules

Um, Jessica, you need to do at least two things:

1) Show us where you got the "expected" calculations, that is, the calculations or assumptions that were used by Les Robertson's team in designing the towers for a 707 impact.

2) Adjust your figures for the velocity of each aircraft.

Is any of this sinking in, Jessica? That you have to provide sources for your claims? How many times do you have to be asked?

 

[Moving On]

INTERLUDE:

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

Russell

 

[jessicarabbit]

Um, Jessica, you need to do at least two things:

1) Show us where you got the "expected" calculations, that is, the calculations or assumptions that were used by Les Robertson's team in designing the towers for a 707 impact.

2) Adjust your figures for the velocity of each aircraft.

Is any of this sinking in, Jessica? That you have to provide sources for your claims? How many times do you have to be asked?

Ok I will get the sources.

 

[WildCat]

Im using the figures quoted. How should I adjust the figures in your opinion?

Figures quoted by whom?

 

[uk_dave]

INTERLUDE:

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

Russell

ermmmmmm

Right back atcha russell.

 

[Gravy]

Please present your evidence that 9/11 was not a conspiracy.

Either MIHOP or LIHOP in detail.

Otherwise cease from referring to people who consider it as a possibility in derogatory terms.

Sorry Russell. If you don't get it by now, I don't know what to say. You've made unsubstantiated claims. The burden of proof is on you. Get it?

 

[Moving On]

It is up to those making the positive claim to prove it, not the other way around.

WRONG.

You are claiming it wasn't one. That is a positive claim.

You are claiming MANY positive conclusions in the sub issues along the way.

You are making positive statements about CTs along the way too.

ALL without evidence.

You guys have beliefs and double standards is all.

 

[stateofgrace]

INTERLUDE:

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

Russell

Having simply eaten popcorn for the duration of this thread all I have to say is.............

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

stateofgrace

 

[Moving On]

Sorry Russell. If you don't get it by now, I don't know what to say. You've made unsubstantiated claims. The burden of proof is on you. Get it?

Gravy,

I consider at the very least 50% of what you say as unsubstantiated.

It goes into the 90 percentile when you factor in that your foundations, the reports you use, can not be directly substantiated by you.

Russell

 

[VespaGuy]

You are claiming it wasn't one. That is a positive claim

Hilarious!

 

[Gravy]

INTERLUDE:

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

Russell

That's very sad, Russell. If you think the 9/11 Commission Report, the NIST report, and all the information we have provided here do not constitute evidence, then you need help. I mean it. You have a serious problem with reality if you dismiss these things.

Despite what you may wish, the rules aren't going to change for you. No one cares about your beliefs. You need to provide evidence for your claims. Period.

 

[jessicarabbit]

Here is my source for the 600mph predicted by the port authority in 1964:

http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC_Part I_Introduction.pdf

 

[Moving On]

Having simply eaten popcorn for the duration of this thread all I have to say is.............

YOU guys operate in a very shady manner in my opinion.

YOU have no evidence.

YOU can't verify the veracity of the few reports you do have.

YOU cherry pick.

YOU resort to false accusations and name calling when your argument breaks down.

YOU are not open to any possibility other than your current belief in my opinion so far.

YOU presume to demand responses from us when you have no right to do so.

YOU have serious double standard issues.

I see it clearly and you will get the respect from me that hypocrisy deserves.

stateofgrace

OH - the old "I'm rubber, you're glue, what I sat bounces off me and sticks to you strategy"???

Funny, and I am considered by Gravy to be childish.

Double standards and hypocrisy.