Who created al Qaeda?

[Axxman300]

Cool! But they lost me already at the first sentence, which is:

I know. I face-palmed so hard I gave myself a headache.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Since its creation I thought this thread was off topic for this particular subforum (remember it's called 9/11 Conspiracy Theories).



I'll give you that. So please give me credit for conceding a point, and more credit for posting in an off-topic thread. Yay me.

I can give credit to geggy for saying something that wasn't a 9/11 CT, but that credit is offset by him posting it in a forum where it's off topic.

I've always had a recollection that geggy started this elsewhere and it was put here because it's ABOUT 9/11; Or, that his posts were moved here so many times he knew he "should" put them here.

 

[Orphia Nay]

Dear Axxman300

I can tell you know a lot about the military and the USA's responses to it.

That's why you like talking about it.

And why you edited geggy's post when you quoted it a few posts back and wrote again on things you wanted to talk about.

THIS is geggy's post showing the videos embedded in the text at the bottom.

The videos I keep talking about.

You fought in "The War on Terror".

I supported it for quite a while till it became clear the endless retribution and violence was not the only thing we need to "fight".

See my signature.

Axxman doesn't speak non-military language so perhaps can someone please translate me?

And did you all see the investigation about Azizabad the same day as Sulaimon & civilians were killed?

The military secrets from back then are revealing a lot more than just things about the military.

Military speak dehumanises individuals and its enemies and it does this to dehumanise itself and insulate its fighters from depression and shame.

Yet that happens anyway.

Hence why we must all try to communicate and negotiate with each other in this global community.

 

[Axxman300]

I addressed his post. I pointed out why his information was incorrect as was SecState Clinton's ad hock history rambling.

I addressed Osma bin Laden's letter.

Axxman doesn't speak non-military language so perhaps can someone please translate me?

I've never served in the military. This is more about your prejudice than my language. You wanted to talk about terrorism so I talked about terrorism.

And did you all see the investigation about Azizabad the same day as Sulaimon & civilians were killed?

Did you?

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...warlords-mass-civilian-casualties/2675795001/

You missed the part where I posted a white paper from the USMA which clearly states we've wasted our time in Afghanistan and should disengage, and introduced the link by stating that I agree with their assessment.

 

[Orphia Nay]

I addressed his post. I pointed out why his information was incorrect as was SecState Clinton's ad hock history rambling.

I've never served in the military.

You talk like you know a great deal about the military and 9/11 and like you think you know more than the Secretary of State.

What is your experience in the area?

I've told you about spending time there.

Have you mentioned anything like that?

This is more about your prejudice than my language. You wanted to talk about terrorism so I talked about terrorism.

What "prejudice"?

It looks like you fear the loss of privilege when you see women discuss war, since you keep insulting the only women in this topic.

Did you?

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/n...warlords-mass-civilian-casualties/2675795001/

That's the one.

You missed the part where I posted a white paper from the USMA which clearly states we've wasted our time in Afghanistan and should disengage, and introduced the link by stating that I agree with their assessment.

Ah, great.

 

[pgimeno]

What "prejudice"?

It looks like you fear the loss of privilege when you see women discuss war, since you keep insulting the only women in this topic.

Now that's distasteful. I haven't seen Axxman discuss this topic with you in any way different to any other poster.

This bleeds with prejudice as Axxman correctly identified:

Axxman doesn't speak non-military language so perhaps can someone please translate me? [...] Military speak dehumanises individuals and its enemies and it does this to dehumanise itself and insulate its fighters from depression and shame.

 

[bknight]

I posted this in #122 and #158.

Cheers, ozeco41.

I understand the pride we debunkers take in "knowing more" than the average person.

<snip>

So just exactly are you attempting to debunk? Why won't you provide an answer?

Since you don't indicate what you are trying to debunk, I surmise that you don't know more than the average person concerning anything. Since you don't know more you aren't attempting to debunk anything.

 

[Axxman300]

You talk like you know a great deal about the military and 9/11 and like you think you know more than the Secretary of State.

I have a functional knowledge of the military, mostly light infantry between 1983 and 1993. I've read several books on 911, which is an easy (yet frustrating) subject to learn about as is the Port Chicago blast, the Child's Blizzard, Mount Saint Helens, etc. A former coworker of mine worked in the North Tower for six years, and another was in first grade in a school a few blocks away when the first jet flew over on that morning.

And the video and the quote from SecState Clinton is inaccurate, worse still is that it is the kind of lazy history often overheard at liberal cocktail parties. Arming and training the Mujaheddin does not equal creating the Taliban nor Al Qaeda, and to believe so is more than a little racist because it implies that they all look and think alike. We worked mostly with the Northern Alliance, and you can look them up if you want to but since you should already know who they are before going down this line of thinking I'm not going to explain their importance to this story.

What is your experience in the area?

Never been there. I studied Arabic for a year in college, my teacher was from Beirut, and we learned about Arab culture and how it is different from western and US cultures. He made fun of Geraldo Rivera's "investigative reporting" from Lebanon during the civil war citing a segment he filmed where he claimed there was a firefight just across the street, and he had to take cover as he continued his breathless reporting. Fact was that there was a firing range in the basement of the building across the street.

I took Arabic because I have family who work in intelligence centered on the Middle East. I've had to read a lot of books in order to keep up.

This family member is an Arabist.

I've told you about spending time there.

Have you mentioned anything like that?

And?

What "prejudice"?

It looks like you fear the loss of privilege when you see women discuss war, since you keep insulting the only women in this topic.

You need to check yourself. Hilary is the only woman in this thread so far and disputing her assessment is not the same as insulting her. Now if you happen to be female this has not been made clear to me, nor do I care.

The subject is the justification for Islamic terrorism and you have yet to join into the topic that you insisted upon discussing.

 

[Axxman300]

This sums up my opinion on our adventure in Afghanistan:

https://warontherocks.com/2020/01/the-primacy-problem-explaining-americas-afghan-purgatory/

Strategy is the use of military violence to achieve certain political objectives. If we cannot define those objectives, then strategy by definition is absurd. This is a key reason the war has been so frustrating for so long. Making matters worse, the war does not fit neatly into how we traditionally understand the use of force. In counter-terrorist campaigns like the one against al-Qaeda, victory is not a matter of forcing enemies to surrender or destroying their ability to resist. Instead, it is a matter of risk acceptance. The question in Afghanistan is whether U.S. leaders are willing to bear the risk of subsequent attacks if they remove U.S. personnel. So far, they have answered no. Strategy is impossible without practical objectives, but policymakers have not yet decided that the costs of staying exceed the risks of leaving. The result: a war of stubborn inertia.

That is an excellent essay.