Who are the Herman Cain supporters?

[tyr_13]

That claim has been made before, and I answered it before:



Care to explain how this is not BD calling Cain an 'uncle tom'? Please, explain your parsing of BD's post. I'm quite curious.

I see the confusion. I read bikerdruid's post as 'I thought the term was uncle Tom' where he actually wrote 'i thought of the term 'uncle tom'.

My bad.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Who here supports Herman Cain and why?

Because Sarah Palin is not in the contest and Gary Johnson has not gained traction. Herman Cain has expressed support for federalism (the 10th Amendment) and the market economy. Perry's wrong on immigration and weak on federalism. Romney's wrong on the role of government (consider Romneycare), and weak on federalism. Ron Paul has hypnotized himself into a reflexive "no State role" that will not work in foreign policy and which he over-generalizes in domestic policy (e.g., gay marriage). No one agrees with me 100%, so I take the best of the likely options.

 

[bikerdruid]

Because Sarah Palin is not in the contest and Gary Johnson has not gained traction. Herman Cain has expressed support for federalism (the 10th Amendment) and the market economy. Perry's wrong on immigration and weak on federalism. Romney's wrong on the role of government (consider Romneycare), and weak on federalism. Ron Paul has hypnotized himself into a reflexive "no State role" that will not work in foreign policy and which he over-generalizes in domestic policy (e.g., gay marriage). No one agrees with me 100%, so I take the best of the likely options.

the GOP had best get serious about a real candidate.

Republicans!! it's almost 2012!! do you know where your candidate is?

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

...thinking people dislike him cuz he's a moron.
...

Here's Wikipedia on Herman Cain:..

He grew up in Georgia and graduated from the prestigious Morehouse College in 1967 with a Bachelor of Arts degree in mathematics. Cain married his wife Gloria, of Atlanta, soon after her graduation from Morris Brown College in 1968.

Cain, accepted for graduate studies at Purdue, received a Masters in computer science there in 1971, while he also worked full-time in ballistics for the U.S. Department of the Navy. As a civilian ballistics analyst, he was responsible for developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes.

Just to correct the record.

he hates jews too.
his bigotry is multifaceted.

This suggests otherwise.

 

[bikerdruid]

Here's Wikipedia on Herman Cain:..Just to correct the record. This suggests otherwise.

maybe you should actually read the post to which you are referring.
i was referring to MaGZ as a racist....not cain.

my point about cain's stupidity still stands.
he claims that being queer and being poor are choices.

oh yes, he also wants to tax food and clothing.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

maybe you should actually read the post to which you are referring. i was referring to MaGZ as a racist....not cain.

Okay. The thread is about Cain and "he" is not specific.

my point about cain's stupidity still stands.
he claims that being queer and being poor are choices.

"Queer"? Like most behaviors, there's a considerable degree of heredity and volition. In policy discussions, the roles that people assign to volition and heredity depend on what they want to do. That is, if someone feels threatened by a eugenic proposal, s/he will call sexual orientation a choice. If someone feels threatened by legal sanction, s/he may call orientation hereditary.

As to poverty, Cain has a point: people can work themselves out of poverty and the attitude that one's position is fated becomes a self-fulfilling hypothesis.

oh yes, he also wants to tax food and clothing.

Me, too. I want to see the federal government replace personal and corporate income taxes with a flat sales tax. No exceptions. Hawaii gets more revenue from its general excise tax than from corporate and personal income taxes.

 

[tyr_13]

Okay. The thread is about Cain and "he" is not specific. "Queer"? Like most behaviors, there's a considerable degree of heredity and volition. In policy discussions, the roles that people assign to volition and heredity depend on what they want to do. That is, if someone feels threatened by a eugenic proposal, s/he will call sexual orientation a choice. If someone feels threatened by legal sanction, s/he may call orientation hereditary.

As to poverty, Cain has a point: people can work themselves out of poverty and the attitude that one's position is fated becomes a self-fulfilling hypothesis.Me, too. I want to see the federal government replace personal and corporate income taxes with a flat sales tax. No exceptions. Hawaii gets more revenue from its general excise tax than from corporate and personal income taxes.

Either they accept our best understanding of homosexuality or they don't. People may be more resistant to the fact that homosexuality isn't really a choice for political motives, or they might embrace it for political motives, but that doesn't change reality.

Homosexuality isn't a choice. That's not a political statement, but a statement that reflects reality.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

Either they accept our...

Your.

...best understanding of homosexuality or they don't. People may be more resistant to the fact that homosexuality isn't really a choice for political motives, or they might embrace it for political motives, but that doesn't change reality. Homosexuality isn't a choice. That's not a political statement, but a statement that reflects reality.

This is not the place for a determinism versus free will discussion. There's too much variation across time and cross-culturally for sexual orientation to be entirely genetic. I would prefer a "it's not the government's business whom you befriend or with whom you set up house" response from all candidates, but that does not make people who believe otherwise stupid.

 

[bikerdruid]

Your.This is not the place for a determinism versus free will discussion. There's too much variation across time and cross-culturally for sexual orientation to be entirely genetic. I would prefer a "it's not the government's business whom you befriend or with whom you set up house" response from all candidates, but that does not make people who believe otherwise stupid.

my point still stands.
cain (and other conservative morons) believe that being queer and being poor are choices.
and taxing food is not only stupid, but is immoral.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

...taxing food is not only stupid, but is immoral.

The General Excise Tax has been the single largest source of revenue to the Hawaii State government for as long as I can remember. It's an uncomplicated, broad tax. What's not to like?

 

[bikerdruid]

The General Excise Tax has been the single largest source of revenue to the Hawaii State government for as long as I can remember. It's an uncomplicated, broad tax. What's not to like?

are you really that disconnectd from reality?
there are poor people in the united states, as in all countries on the planet.
( however, america, among first world nations has the greatest disparity between rich and poor.)

poor people have trouble feeding their kids.
taxing food, thereby making it tougher for the poor to feed their kids, is abominably immoral.

 

[Malcolm Kirkpatrick]

are you really that disconnectd from reality?
there are poor people in the united states, as in all countries on the planet.
(however, america, among first world nations has the greatest disparity between rich and poor.)
poor people have trouble feeding their kids.
taxing food, thereby making it tougher for the poor to feed their kids, is abominably immoral.

We disagree. In the US, poor people are more likely to be obese than malnourished. Food is cheap if you shop carefully and eat simply. Inequality does not bother me. Bil Gates makes more in one hour than I make in a year. This bothers me as much as does the fact that I will live longer than a housefly. That is, not at all. Policies which address income inequality will exacerbate inequality of political power, and likely make income inequality worse.

 

[bikerdruid]

We disagree. In the US, poor people are more likely to be obese than malnourished. .

obese and malnourished often mean the same thing.
2 litres of coke cost a fraction of the cost of 2 litres of milk.

 

[Corsair 115]

Did he create his 9-9-9 plan because of sound economic judgement or because it sounds good?

Is the 9-9-9 plan 50% more evil than a 6-6-6 plan?

 

[Chaos]

Your.This is not the place for a determinism versus free will discussion. There's too much variation across time and cross-culturally for sexual orientation to be entirely genetic. I would prefer a "it's not the government's business whom you befriend or with whom you set up house" response from all candidates, but that does not make people who believe otherwise stupid.

The only variation across time and cross-culturally is in to which extent bigotry and hatred can force homosexuals to keep their preferences secret.

 

[tyr_13]

Your.This is not the place for a determinism versus free will discussion. There's too much variation across time and cross-culturally for sexual orientation to be entirely genetic. I would prefer a "it's not the government's business whom you befriend or with whom you set up house" response from all candidates, but that does not make people who believe otherwise stupid.

So you reject what we've (the scientific community) have learned about homosexuality so far, but you still don't think the government should be involved.

Cain's remark is wrong. Homosexuality isn't a choice. Engaging in homosexual behavior of course is, as all behaviors are 'choices'. If you believe homosexuality is a choice, then you too are wrong.

 

[Newtons Bit]

Is the 9-9-9 plan 50% more evil than a 6-6-6 plan?

Nah, it's just an upside down version. I think this proves that Australia is at the top of the world.

 

[Cleon]

Nah, it's just an upside down version. I think this proves that Australia is at the top of the world.

But then if Down Under is Up Over, and what's down is up and what's up is down, which way is the toilet supposed to flush?

Geography gives me a headache.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Did he create his 9-9-9 plan because of sound economic judgement or because it sounds good? I doubt 'The 9.24-7.9-12.24 plan' would have the same ring.

Perhaps Cain is a Farrakhan fan.

 

[cwalner]

Because Sarah Palin is not in the contest and Gary Johnson has not gained traction. Herman Cain has expressed support for federalism (the 10th Amendment) and the market economy. Perry's wrong on immigration and weak on federalism. Romney's wrong on the role of government (consider Romneycare), and weak on federalism. Ron Paul has hypnotized himself into a reflexive "no State role" that will not work in foreign policy and which he over-generalizes in domestic policy (e.g., gay marriage). No one agrees with me 100%, so I take the best of the likely options.

MaGZ, this is probably one of the best answers that you are going to get. I don't agree with Malcolm on his assessment of Cain, but I don't support Cain, so what I think about him really has no bearing on your question.

Don't listen to me or anybody else on this board whose politics tend to support the Democrats, because we don't see what the appeal with Cain (or any other Republican in this cycle's batch) either. Listen to folks like Malcolm and and others who tend to lean right.

What I see, though, is that on the surface, he comes across as strong on the economic issues to conservatives in this election, in that he is a successful businessman and a political outsider, so has none of the taint of the current economic mess that those inside the beltway have. However, his flub in how he expressed his opinion on DADT shows his political lack of experience and if he continues with such flubs, he will find himself back in the pack with Perry and Bachmann before too long.