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Where is the Common Ground?

BrooklynBaby said:
Where is your evidence that I'm a racist? I'm definitely in "half" of Trump's base.
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You apparently didn't understand my post. Which "half" you're in is something only you can know (ETA: unless you tell us you're a racist, as many do).
 
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WilliamSeger said:
What a pantload. If you want to understand most social issues, you need to look along the empathy-apathy spectrum first, and trumpers' hypersensitivity to being called racists is a good example. No, I don't believe all trumpers are racists; I think a goodly number of them just don't care that Trump and "half" his base are, because it's not an issue that affects them personally, but they know they need that other "half" to maintain political power. They just don't care that racism has real consequences to real people and that Trump's absurd pseudo-populism demagoguery is firing up that base. Then you want to act all offended if anyone points that out?
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Now this is a post done right: blame the other side entirely for any failure to find common ground. That's the proper way to post in the politics section.
 
WilliamSeger said:
You apparently didn't understand my post. Which "half" you're in is something only you can know (ETA: unless you tell us you're a racist, as many do).
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I certainly do understand your post. It says half of Trump's base is racist and the other half doesn't care. You pulled the "half" out of thin air and can't possibly support it. You can't even tell me which half I'm in, let alone 30 million other people in my half who voted for Trump. The left has a habit of making things up and using their newly created "evidence" in debate. Must be what they teach in graduate school.
 
Ziggurat said:
Now this is a post done right: blame the other side entirely for any failure to find common ground. That's the proper way to post in the politics section.
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What's the common ground between empathy and apathy? Being selective about whom one has empathy for?
 
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BrooklynBaby said:
I certainly do understand your post. It says half of Trump's base is racist and the other half doesn't care. You pulled the "half" out of thin air and can't possibly support it. You can't even tell me which half I'm in, let alone 30 million other people in my half who voted for Trump. The left has a habit of making things up and using their newly created "evidence" in debate. Must be what they teach in graduate school.
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He put "half" in scare quotes to signify that it wasn't an even split. Paraphrased, it could read "a lot are actual racists, and the rest don't really care that the other ones are."
 
Ziggurat said:
Now this is a post done right: blame the other side entirely for any failure to find common ground. That's the proper way to post in the politics section.
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I know you believe that or wish to contend that both sides are equally responsible but that is never actually true. Frankly, until this President I see few differences between the parties on foreign policy. Different politicians might have different perspectives, but it isn't party specific.

On domestic policy it pretty much comes down to social engineering. How do we deal with the poor and the middle class?

The GOP position pretty much takes its inspiration from Ayn Rand, Adam Smith and Gordon Gekko. The view is that selfishness is inevitably good for everyone. By assisting the poor we are being counterproductive. That we are taking away their incentive to do for themselves. The best remedy for poverty is for the government to get out of the way and resist the attempt to help.

Democrats OTOH, see the inherent unfairness of the economic system and see that the every man for himself leads to a good quality of life for only a select few. That government involvement is not only good but necessary. If there is an inspiration for Democrats, it would have to be John Rawls and his Original Position and the veil of ignorance.

These two positions are so diametrically opposed that finding common ground is pretty much an impossibility.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
I certainly do understand your post. It says half of Trump's base is racist and the other half doesn't care. You pulled the "half" out of thin air and can't possibly support it. You can't even tell me which half I'm in, let alone 30 million other people in my half who voted for Trump. The left has a habit of making things up and using their newly created "evidence" in debate. Must be what they teach in graduate school.
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You understand neither my point nor why I put "half" in quotes. I suspect that I can only help you with the second one: It was the word Hillary used in the remark that trumpers took such great offense to.
 
Ziggurat said:
Now this is a post done right: blame the other side entirely for any failure to find common ground. That's the proper way to post in the politics section.
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Delvo, your rightwing comrade, did it first! :p:D
 
acbytesla said:
That may be true, but some try harder to extend that empathy beyond friends or casual acquaintances.
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And some have empathy for strangers but treat the people around them like crap. The world is full of variety.
 
WilliamSeger said:
True enough, and now can you explain why "half" of trumpers don't care about racism?
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I actually can answer that. They literally don't know how harmful it is. They really think there's more discrimination against white folks nowadays. They think black people have access to all kinds of government benefits white people don't have access to, and other beliefs like that which make the occasional klan rally seem like not a big deal to them.
 
kellyb said:
How many Trump fans do you know?
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My surroundings are not representative. No possible answer I could give to your question could prove or disprove the assertion in question. Nor can I read minds to know what people actually care about.
 
Ziggurat said:
And some have empathy for strangers but treat the people around them like crap. The world is full of variety.
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No question. But it's not really a coincidence that Republicans are frequently described by Democrats as 'selfish' and Republicans refer to Democrats as 'bleeding hearts'. Which do you think is more likely to being 'empathetic'?
 
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